Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[walk with me]

One day I hope you wake up from your Stockholm syndrome slumber.

If you just think for a second about Stockholm syndrome you might find it interesting, that your behaviour to Thibs fits this description more than anything else.

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

[minimus]

One day I hope you wake up from your Stockholm syndrome slumber.

If you just think for a second about Stockholm syndrome you might find it interesting, that your behaviour to Thibs fits this description more than anything else.

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

Look around you. Look at current situation. Is it because of me or other fans, or Glen? Or it is because of one man who had all the power and opportunities as HC/GM? But power usually comes with responsibility, now I am asking for responsibility. When Thibs was asked for, he childishly wanted to be fired if can't keep Butler.

[shangrila]

One day I hope you wake up from your Stockholm syndrome slumber.

If you just think for a second about Stockholm syndrome you might find it interesting, that your behaviour to Thibs fits this description more than anything else.

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

[walk with me]

If you just think for a second about Stockholm syndrome you might find it interesting, that your behaviour to Thibs fits this description more than anything else.

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

[minimus]

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

Maybe because some fans (including me) prefer, long, every year trips in playoffs to one game playoff appearance?

It is funny that Thibs is preaching hard work, steady improvements. But as GM he did exactly opposite: instead of steady development of young players - quick workaround with his former players. Also when we speak of Wiggins contract part of me wondering is it a staple of Thibs as GM? Overpaying without exploring the market. But let's blame Glen, KAT, Rubio etc.

[_AIJ_]

I hope if we traded Butler, Thibs goes with him.


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[shangrila]

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

You're just digging your hole deeper.

[twix2500]

I hope the thibs apologists go when he gets canned tbh.

Why??
The people making the case for Thibs love the Wolves and have every bit as much right to post here as the haters which is what you are.

It's probably all of the above. I'm sure the relationship between him, Wiggins and Towns is the main reason. Then he looks at the bigger picture. He doesn't feel the core will contend for a title during his window of oppurtunity. The management that is on his side does not have support. So why even negotiate contractually if he sees a situation that he will not be happy and not get paid the most. If you can be in a more comfortable work environment and get paid more, what sense does it make to stay. And to add he has no real attachment to the Wolves.

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[Worm Guts]

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

Maybe because some fans (including me) prefer, long, every year trips in playoffs to one game playoff appearance?

It is funny that Thibs is preaching hard work, steady improvements. But as GM he did exactly opposite: instead of steady development of young players - quick workaround with his former players. Also when we speak of Wiggins contract part of me wondering is it a staple of Thibs as GM? Overpaying without exploring the market. But let's blame Glen, KAT, Rubio etc.

Glen has plenty of history of overpaying players without Thibs.

I don't know, Thibs hasn't done well, but I remember KG and Marbury. They made the playoffs in KG's 2nd season and Marbury's rookie season, so when Towns and Wiggins are winning 30 games in Wiggins 3rd season it seemed to me that they were behind schedule. Wiggins and Kat weren't making the progress they need to be defensively, so I get why Thibs felt the need to try something different. It's obvious now that Thibs made the wrong move, but I'm still not convinced there was a right move.

[KGdaBom]

Teague and gibson contracts werent good either they each got overpayed by about 4-5 million then there was drafting Patton..

Gee he made one bad move overpaying one player when everybody was being overpaid. Dieng was coming off an amazing season of scoring super efficiently, playing D and rebounding. Yes an overpay, but at that time nobody thought much of it. You expect him to be perfect and if he isn't he is stuck in the past and delusional. I hope everybody judges you by the same standards. Why don't you throw in that he should have drafted Murray instead of Dunn. It's always easy to look back at a draft and be a genius about who we should have picked. He maybe should have kept Rubio, but is Rubio more valuable than Teague and Okogie?

“Tell me what moves thibs made that’s been so disastrous to the franchise.”

Points one out besides Wiggins contract

Gibson played better than his contract. Teague played at his contract.

[walk with me]

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

You're just digging your hole deeper.

What hole?! What are you talking about!!!!! Between you and mini it’s like an episode of the twilight zone. I actually recall of mini admitting he’s a thibs hater so I could find the quote. I don’t have to go back and forth with him any more.... BUT YOU! What’s you’re excuse lol? What hole am I digging deeper.

- i admitted thibs has different philosophy from the owner and fans which makes him a bad fit
- taj and Teague aren’t objectively bad contracts
- gorgui is objectively a bad contract but he’s not so bad that it hamstrings the org like Solomon hills deal, injury ridden chandler parsons, or washed up jokim Noah.
- Wiggins objectively was maxed by the owner and not thibs.
- Wiggins objectively sucks and is being paid for 5 more years
- Wiggins objectively was on the block if it was strictly up to thibs

What hole am I digging deeper. Some of you just struggle with truth

[miwolvesfan]

I don't know if a trade will ever happen but every time someone is held out a game it makes you wonder. Danilo Gallinari was held out of the Clippers game last night. I would be good with Gallo, Robinson and a first for Butler. I don't know if I want the Wolves to have to pay Harris the max next year.

[KGdaBom]

Teague and gibson contracts werent good either they each got overpayed by about 4-5 million then there was drafting Patton..

I mean you can’t really use the Teague or Gibson contracts unless you’re not really thinking about how contracts effect the team.

First of all teague and Gibson deals being bad are totally subjective for many reasons. To list a few..... tajs deal is 2 years so even if you feel he’s over paid it doesn’t hurt the teams future. I can pretty much say the same with teagues deal. Both guys “OBJECTIVELY” performed to atleast the bare minimum of what was expected of them with those contracts.

I get you and others dislike thibs. Totally fine. But stating subjective opinions as if they’re facts makes you look silly.

Taj contract isn’t bad.... AT ALL!
Teague may be over paid... but his contract isn’t horrendous.

Andrew Wiggins contract is amongst the worst in the nba... this is totally objective.

Edit: and drafting Patton is irrelevant. Every team has **** picks. Do you watch basketball lol? I mean not trying to poke fun but literally every team has drafted crappy guys. It’s nothing new and totally irrelevant to the teams future

The Patton pick was probably a good pick. The talent he showed IMO was definitely worth his draft slot. He had never had injuries. That has just been bad luck.

[KGdaBom]

Teague and gibson contracts werent good either they each got overpayed by about 4-5 million then there was drafting Patton..

“Tell me what moves thibs made that’s been so disastrous to the franchise.”

Points one out besides Wiggins contract

They will say that it was made to keep our financial flexibility. But they forget a few things:

1) for role players two years of overpaying contract does not bring any financial flexibility in our situation. Just think of it: would you rather have Gibson on 8-9 mil deal for 3 years or Gibson on 12 mil deal for two years? And the answer is simple 8-9mil brings you more value for more years. It is also simpler to trade Gibson on first contract.

2) Gibson and Teague contracts left no room to Bjelica and Tyus next contracts.

3) If you pay someone 12mil and 19mil it is harder to bench them in favour to bench players. Because if you bench them they will also lose trade value. They are paid as starters, but in reality both Teague and Gibson are better fit as backup guys at this point of their career.

4) 2yrs contracts means no Birds rights. Also there is not much sense for other team to trade for Gibson or Teague. If Gibson plays well then contracts is too short, when Teague is playing bad then his contract is too long.

To sum up: there was/is no reason to overpay Gibson and Teague. It was a mistake.

Gibson contract was very good value. Teague average. You have nothing to complain about with those. Move on to some legit reason to complain please.

[KGdaBom]

One day I hope you wake up from your Stockholm syndrome slumber.

If you just think for a second about Stockholm syndrome you might find it interesting, that your behaviour to Thibs fits this description more than anything else.

Thibs and Butler were responsible for any success we had. 47 wins vs 29 with the prior coach. Thibs and Butler set us free. Many want to go back to the security of captivity.

[KGdaBom]

If you just think for a second about Stockholm syndrome you might find it interesting, that your behaviour to Thibs fits this description more than anything else.

I’ve admitted thibs is a bad fit for this organiation because the owner and fans don’t really priortize winning and thibs does. This fanbase and ownership prioritize “trusting the process” which can leave you like the Orlando magic, Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento kings or Twolves. Thibs held his end of the bargain, just didn’t happen as you wanted it to because Kat and Wiggins can’t carry the weight. Probably never will.

When are you going to admit all stuff you spew is bs and that you just hate thibs cause he traded Ricky lol.

Look around you. Look at current situation. Is it because of me or other fans, or Glen? Or it is because of one man who had all the power and opportunities as HC/GM? But power usually comes with responsibility, now I am asking for responsibility. When Thibs was asked for, he childishly wanted to be fired if can't keep Butler.

The one man with the power and opportunities led us to our best season in 14 years. That is the situation.

[KGdaBom]

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

Maybe because some fans (including me) prefer, long, every year trips in playoffs to one game playoff appearance?

It is funny that Thibs is preaching hard work, steady improvements. But as GM he did exactly opposite: instead of steady development of young players - quick workaround with his former players. Also when we speak of Wiggins contract part of me wondering is it a staple of Thibs as GM? Overpaying without exploring the market. But let's blame Glen, KAT, Rubio etc.

Wiggins contract had everything to do with Taylor. Thibs wanted to trade him away. Glen stepped in and screwed us over. This is obvious.

[KGdaBom]

This is an almost textbook definition of Stockholm. Good work.

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

You're just digging your hole deeper.

He's telling it like it is. Trading for a 27 year old top 10 player is a move with long term success in mind. People try to act like he was adding all 30+ year old players on their last leg. The only 30 plus player he acquired was Gibson and he played incredible his first year. People continue to make things up to try to discredit Thibs.

[walk with me]

The Patton pick was probably a good pick. The talent he showed IMO was definitely worth his draft slot. He had never had injuries. That has just been bad luck.

Even this is a good point. Patton may have been really good tbh. Guy has just had freaky bad luck with health. Thibs is blamed for this guys brittle feet bones now lol?

Cause I prefer trips to the playoffs and you prefer tanking?

Maybe because some fans (including me) prefer, long, every year trips in playoffs to one game playoff appearance?

It is funny that Thibs is preaching hard work, steady improvements. But as GM he did exactly opposite: instead of steady development of young players - quick workaround with his former players. Also when we speak of Wiggins contract part of me wondering is it a staple of Thibs as GM? Overpaying without exploring the market. But let's blame Glen, KAT, Rubio etc.

Glen has plenty of history of overpaying players without Thibs.

I don't know, Thibs hasn't done well, but I remember KG and Marbury. They made the playoffs in KG's 2nd season and Marbury's rookie season, so when Towns and Wiggins are winning 30 games in Wiggins 3rd season it seemed to me that they were behind schedule. Wiggins and Kat weren't making the progress they need to be defensively, so I get why Thibs felt the need to try something different. It's obvious now that Thibs made the wrong move, but I'm still not convinced there was a right move.

I don’t get why this is so hard to admit! Mini and neeva just need to get over it. Call me whatever you want but none of the name calling changes the truth. Wiggins will factually go down as a Rudy Gay like under achiever and a slight bust. And Kat is slowly approaching the territory of 1 dimensional hype machine.

Then when you add in a meddling owner who over rides the GM/coaches moves, you end up with a muddy situation. Another FACT is Kat, Wiggins, Zach core is garbage and never a playoff team. Mini and neeva seem to touch every topic but that one. Thibs method never would have been accepted around this franchise but he did force his way into the playoffs. neeva and mini can’t even suggest what they would have done differently.

It def starts at keeping Ricky. But then what? Keep Zach Wiggins and Kat? Ricky would probably leave in free agency cause he’s tired of losing. That core isn’t going anywhere. Would just end up like the Elton brand, corey magette, Darius Miles clippers.

[KGdaBom]

I don't know if a trade will ever happen but every time someone is held out a game it makes you wonder. Danilo Gallinari was held out of the Clippers game last night. I would be good with Gallo, Robinson and a first for Butler. I don't know if I want the Wolves to have to pay Harris the max next year.

I follow the NBA very closely. This Robinson has not done enough for me to even know he exists. Gallo has a history of never being able to stay healthy. A fully healthy Gallo I would love.