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Trade Talk (Part Four)

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Post#1321 » by jpatrick » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:57 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:‪Which package is better for the Milwaukee Bucks & Giannis Greak Freak antetokounmpo?‬

‪Warriors send Wiggins, Chriss, No. 2 Overall Draft Pick, 2021 Wolves Top 3 protected pick.‬

‪Knicks send RJ Barrett, Mitchel Robinson, Julius Randle, No. 8 pick, 2021 Dallas Pick & 2022 NY pick‬


I don’t think either is enough. If a deal happened, Giannis would essentially have to agree to go there so it’s not just a rental, and it would include picks and pick swaps going out several years like the Anthony Davis and Paul George deals.
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Post#1322 » by Neeva » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:12 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:‪Which package is better for the Milwaukee Bucks & Giannis Greak Freak antetokounmpo?‬

‪Warriors send Wiggins, Chriss, No. 2 Overall Draft Pick, 2021 Wolves Top 3 protected pick.‬

‪Knicks send RJ Barrett, Mitchel Robinson, Julius Randle, No. 8 pick, 2021 Dallas Pick & 2022 NY pick‬


Those offers are both poo.
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Post#1323 » by whatisacenter » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:12 pm

jpatrick wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:‪Which package is better for the Milwaukee Bucks & Giannis Greak Freak antetokounmpo?‬

‪Warriors send Wiggins, Chriss, No. 2 Overall Draft Pick, 2021 Wolves Top 3 protected pick.‬

‪Knicks send RJ Barrett, Mitchel Robinson, Julius Randle, No. 8 pick, 2021 Dallas Pick & 2022 NY pick‬


I don’t think either is enough. If a deal happened, Giannis would essentially have to agree to go there so it’s not just a rental, and it would include picks and pick swaps going out several years like the Anthony Davis and Paul George deals.


Yeah, the only way the Warriors end up with Giannis is if he pulls an AD and demands a trade to them. At that point I would be willing to trade anyone not named Curry (ideally keep Klay) and up to 4 first round picks.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1324 » by Jedzz » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:13 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:I really hope we could find a way to acquire Ben Simmons. He would help a lot guarding Lebron,kawhi/pg,doncic,booker,mitchell,murray,ingram,harden,klay/steph. We dont have that kind of a defensive stud yet.


It would be great to find a defender that can also shoot and not be a one trick pony with the offense needing to so badly provide set plays just for him. To go three seasons without improving that 3pt shot or jumper one iota, to get 80% of his points in the paint and draw only 5 foul shots and only hit 60% of FT shots...this kind of player really ends up defining your offense.

To try to shoe horn that into a Rosas/Ryan 5 out you end up with 4 on 5 on offense at best trying to be what the team wants. In the end, the offense probably converts to those set plays that get Simmons an opening on the left of the basket, or slashing from right to left to finish left of basket. Someone like Layman offers that slashing and also the occasional shot from outside threat. The only thing I think I've seen Simmons working on the last two seasons is the occasional ISO drive with his right hand. But he's much like Wiggins when doing this and nobody else on the team exists when this is going on. He also has very little confidence in those FT shots so none of that is part of his desire. It's just somehow figuring out how to use his right more that's been his focus of developing. At least that's what I can say from watching the occasional game. Maybe I'm completely off base and someone that has watched more closely could correct me.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1325 » by Domejandro » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:01 pm

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Post#1326 » by Domejandro » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:03 pm

Minnesota needs to go all-in and offer James Johnson, Jarrett Culver, #1, #17, and literally every Draft pick we have for the next seven years. If Giannis leaves the year after, who cares?
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Post#1327 » by Klomp » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:06 pm

Domejandro wrote:Minnesota needs to go all-in and offer James Johnson, Jarrett Culver, #1, #17, and literally every Draft pick we have for the next seven years. If Giannis leaves the year after, who cares?

Nah, Jedzz is right. Giannis wouldn't improve the team because he's not a good shooter.
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Post#1328 » by Neeva » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:42 pm

If u are close to championship and giannis puts you over the top sure do it, don’t think wolves are close yet though. Kat and giannis isn’t enough. Maybe trade kat for giannis lol?
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Post#1329 » by Jedzz » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:47 pm

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Domejandro wrote:Minnesota needs to go all-in and offer James Johnson, Jarrett Culver, #1, #17, and literally every Draft pick we have for the next seven years. If Giannis leaves the year after, who cares?

Nah, Jedzz is right. Giannis wouldn't improve the team because he's not a good shooter.


Hmm. Now who's trolling today?

I'm guessing this trolling post point stems from a recent Simmons post I made. Probably also because I ripped Ball a new one lately and he's one of your favs. So it's test me time. I don't think Simmons and Giannis are on the same quality/gravity level but's let's compare since you obviously want to.

Giannis FT %: Career avg .722 [FT Attempts = 3526 (958 first 3 years(72%), 1,939 the next 3 years)]
Simmons FT%: Career avg .593 [FT Attempts = 1067 first three years]

Close in attempts or foul shots drawn in first three years. Not close on % of makes.

Giannis 3FG %: Career avg .284, Giannis 3FG Attempts: 1087 (271 first 3 years, 523 next 3 years)
Simmons 3FG%: Career avg .083, Simmons 3FG Attempts: 24

Their EFG% is very close, but only because Simmons completely refuses to attempt 3s.

Giannis already broke through the first few years of "developing" where people were concerned that's all he was going to be. Where he exists now makes his value unquestionable now. As you can see, Simmons would have to leap up to double his current FT shots drawn in year 4+ to equal the jump Giannis made. He also would have to improve his FT makes by 13%. Simmons would also need to attempt 154 more threes per season. Do you see any of that coming? Oh yeah Simmons would also have to leap up from 16 PPG to 29 PPG to reach Giannis worthy level.

Personally I would adjust the offense a little for Giannis' 29 PPG. I'm not doing it for Simmon's 16 PPG.
I would just draft Wiseman and see if I couldn't get some of the same benefits out of him if I felt someone that tall that can move like they do is needed here.
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Post#1330 » by southern wolf » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:41 am

Klomp wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Minnesota needs to go all-in and offer James Johnson, Jarrett Culver, #1, #17, and literally every Draft pick we have for the next seven years. If Giannis leaves the year after, who cares?

Nah, Jedzz is right. Giannis wouldn't improve the team because he's not a good shooter.


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Post#1331 » by Klomp » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:47 am

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Post#1332 » by southern wolf » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:52 am

Klomp wrote:Sarcasm is fun...


Bots don't understand sarcasm though? :wink:
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1333 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:21 am

southern wolf wrote:
Klomp wrote:Sarcasm is fun...


Bots don't understand sarcasm though? :wink:

And Klomp is a Bot. :o :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1334 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:51 am

A few days ago we were debating who held out for what in our trade for Russell. Whether it was us holding out on offering this years first or warriors holding out for next years pick.
Per this youtube I stumbled upon it was definitely the former.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1335 » by Neeva » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:06 am

And now the warriors need to worry about getting rid of their second pick this year or the Wolves pick next year to unload Wiggins. The longer they hold on to the Minny pick the more value it will lose, wolves will surprise people next season!!!
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1336 » by UnFadeable21 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:48 am

Neeva wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:‪Which package is better for the Milwaukee Bucks & Giannis Greak Freak antetokounmpo?‬

‪Warriors send Wiggins, Chriss, No. 2 Overall Draft Pick, 2021 Wolves Top 3 protected pick.‬

‪Knicks send RJ Barrett, Mitchel Robinson, Julius Randle, No. 8 pick, 2021 Dallas Pick & 2022 NY pick‬


Those offers are both poo.


Is it really that bad when the Lakers sent a similar package to the New Orleans Pelicans for Anthony Davis, another top 5 player.

They sent Ingram, Lonzo, Hart, and 3 first round picks.

I think the two previous trades are very comparable.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1337 » by Neeva » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:59 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Neeva wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:‪Which package is better for the Milwaukee Bucks & Giannis Greak Freak antetokounmpo?‬

‪Warriors send Wiggins, Chriss, No. 2 Overall Draft Pick, 2021 Wolves Top 3 protected pick.‬

‪Knicks send RJ Barrett, Mitchel Robinson, Julius Randle, No. 8 pick, 2021 Dallas Pick & 2022 NY pick‬


Those offers are both poo.


Is it really that bad when the Lakers sent a similar package to the New Orleans Pelicans for Anthony Davis, another top 5 player.

They sent Ingram, Lonzo, Hart, and 3 first round picks.

I think the two previous trades are very comparable.

None of them are half as good as Ingram.
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Post#1338 » by UnFadeable21 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:34 pm

Neeva wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Neeva wrote:
Those offers are both poo.


Is it really that bad when the Lakers sent a similar package to the New Orleans Pelicans for Anthony Davis, another top 5 player.

They sent Ingram, Lonzo, Hart, and 3 first round picks.

I think the two previous trades are very comparable.

None of them are half as good as Ingram.


That was before Ingram made an all star game. A lot of people were down on him.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1339 » by KGdaBom » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:42 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Neeva wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Is it really that bad when the Lakers sent a similar package to the New Orleans Pelicans for Anthony Davis, another top 5 player.

They sent Ingram, Lonzo, Hart, and 3 first round picks.

I think the two previous trades are very comparable.

None of them are half as good as Ingram.


That was before Ingram made an all star game. A lot of people were down on him.

Those people were wrong. Ingram was always a great prospect.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1340 » by minimus » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:43 am



I know that there is no chance that Wood would decline big contract from DET or NYK, I know that he is an UFA. But he looks like a mobile bigman we need next to KAT.

First trade: JJ, #17, Evans in S&T for Wood (60mil/4yrs)
Second trade: #1, Spellman for #8, DAL 2021 FRP

Draft Maxey, Tillie

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Wood/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Culver/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Nowell
DLo/JMac/Maxey

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