2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[urinesane]

All that talk about Wiseman. So many of you are setting yourself for a disappointment.

Listen, you forget who runs your basketball operations and where did he came from. Rosas is going for a player with the highest trade value and will try to flip him after the draft, if the trade is not made before. Pacers, Pistons, Sixers and others are sniffing around and you all know who is their target.

If there is no deal before the draft - no worries. Some team will strike out on their plan A or maybe realize that their bluff is not working on Rosas and they have to step up with the offer.

Not how it works. If they draft a player they are keeping them for a while.

Houston drafted Jeremy Lamb on June 28 and traded him on October 27.
Cleveland drafted Andrew Wiggins on June 26 and traded him on August 23.

It's exactly how it works.

It's exactly how it works, sometimes.

[SO_MONEY]

All that talk about Wiseman. So many of you are setting yourself for a disappointment.

Listen, you forget who runs your basketball operations and where did he came from. Rosas is going for a player with the highest trade value and will try to flip him after the draft, if the trade is not made before. Pacers, Pistons, Sixers and others are sniffing around and you all know who is their target.

If there is no deal before the draft - no worries. Some team will strike out on their plan A or maybe realize that their bluff is not working on Rosas and they have to step up with the offer.

Not how it works. If they draft a player they are keeping them for a while.

Houston drafted Jeremy Lamb on June 28 and traded him on October 27.
Cleveland drafted Andrew Wiggins on June 26 and traded him on August 23.

It's exactly how it works.

Not really.

[SO_MONEY]

Not how it works. If they draft a player they are keeping them for a while.

Houston drafted Jeremy Lamb on June 28 and traded him on October 27.
Cleveland drafted Andrew Wiggins on June 26 and traded him on August 23.

It's exactly how it works.

It's exactly how it works, sometimes.

It really doesn't. The players are not being drafted with the idea of trading them, they are picked and a James Harden or Kevin Love become available after the fact. The only exception to this is when players are drafted and then traded because the trade has to happen after the draft to be legal, then again we almost always know prior to the pick or shortly after that the player is being traded down the line. For instance a team may need to sign their pick to make salary work, delaying a trade a considerable period.

[KGdaBom]

Any chance that Ball will grow into 6'8" 200lbs creative finisher at rim with elite passing, solid defense and mediocre shooting ability?

NO!
I don't think he will ever get up to the mediocre level of shooting. I will be thrilled for him if he does.

[KGdaBom]

All that talk about Wiseman. So many of you are setting yourself for a disappointment.

Listen, you forget who runs your basketball operations and where did he came from. Rosas is going for a player with the highest trade value and will try to flip him after the draft, if the trade is not made before. Pacers, Pistons, Sixers and others are sniffing around and you all know who is their target.

If there is no deal before the draft - no worries. Some team will strike out on their plan A or maybe realize that their bluff is not working on Rosas and they have to step up with the offer.

Not how it works. If they draft a player they are keeping them for a while.

Houston drafted Jeremy Lamb on June 28 and traded him on October 27.
Cleveland drafted Andrew Wiggins on June 26 and traded him on August 23.

It's exactly how it works.

Those are the exceptions. Klomp you know that.

[Klomp]

Based more on logic than actual reporting, given Rosas’ tendency to maneuver and swing deals and based on what the team currently has on its roster, I’m absolutely not convinced that Minnesota will be the team picking at No. 1. And even if they do make the pick, it seems like from their decision to do work on all of the top prospects that they may just take the player they think has the best chance of maintaining long-term trade value. After all, Rosas comes from the Houston school of thought, where Daryl Morey tends to evaluate players not only based on what he thinks they can bring to his team, but based on what they could return down the road.

https://theathletic.com/2128239/2020/10/13/lamelo-ball-over-james-wiseman-at-no-1-in-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-8-0/

[Dewey]

I think the vast majority here think we will be working to trade the pick whether it’s before, during, or after the draft. Doesn’t mean the #1 couldn’t help us, but more so, if Rosas can sell the value to another team and acquire a 2-for-1 (player/pick) or whatever, etc...

[Worm Guts]

Based more on logic than actual reporting, given Rosas’ tendency to maneuver and swing deals and based on what the team currently has on its roster, I’m absolutely not convinced that Minnesota will be the team picking at No. 1. And even if they do make the pick, it seems like from their decision to do work on all of the top prospects that they may just take the player they think has the best chance of maintaining long-term trade value. After all, Rosas comes from the Houston school of thought, where Daryl Morey tends to evaluate players not only based on what he thinks they can bring to his team, but based on what they could return down the road.

https://theathletic.com/2128239/2020/10/13/lamelo-ball-over-james-wiseman-at-no-1-in-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-8-0/

I don’t see any meaningful reason Ball would hold his value over Wiseman or Edwards beyond potentially being a better player.
There are situations where this could be more applicable, maybe if there’s a gap in viewed potential, usually at a lower pick. A couple years later maybe you can still sell potential, even if there hasn’t been on court success.
We’re talking about the first pick though, and there are going to be expectations right away.

[BadWolf]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

[Dewey]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

I think a lot of it does become biased to a degree… But largely driven by the fact our interior defense is horrid and we do have a point guard in DLo and shooting guard potentially in Beasley. We can make an argument for and against all three… As well as the next three or four players down the pecking order

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[Baseline81]

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What does that even mean?

[UnFadeable21]

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What does that even mean?

That he can go in the top 5

[Baseline81]

That he can go in the top 5

How did you come to that conclusion? Popular means top 5?

I would think it means teams aren't sure where he'll go in the draft, and as a result, even those outside the top 5, are interested.

[UnFadeable21]

That he can go in the top 5

How did you come to that conclusion? Popular means top 5?

He a safe pick with NBA ready skills and body.

[Klomp]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

I think a lot of it does become biased to a degree… But largely driven by the fact our interior defense is horrid and we do have a point guard in DLo and shooting guard potentially in Beasley. We can make an argument for and against all three… As well as the next three or four players down the pecking order

And we don't have a center in Towns?

[Klomp]

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I'd be game!

[Klomp]

Same with Wiseman and KAT, which has been 98% of the reasons given on this board to not draft Wiseman.

OR because big men that can’t shoot or assist aren’t very valuable in the league right now.

Where does this narrative that Wiseman cannot shoot stem from?

It is like saying KAT couldnt shoot when he came out of Kentucky. He just was not allowed to in that system, now what is he? Perhaps the best shooting big man ever.

Wiseman can shoot. Look at his HS/AAU tape.

Counterpoint: Towns made 127 3-pointers in high school.

Some evaluators believe Wiseman has long-term potential as a shooter, but he hasn’t fully shown it yet. Wiseman attempted one three-pointer at Memphis and missed it. In the EYBL, he went 4-for-27 (14.8 percent) from three-point range as a rising senior.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/12/21/21031750/james-wiseman-nba-draft-2020-memphis-tigers-scouting-report

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[urinesane]

Alright, Toppin or Wiseman, I'm down.