Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Guidus88]

I think we should make this happen, if suns decide to blow up their team. Granted if Booker demands a trade also.

Edwards+McDaniels+Prince and filler for Booker and Bridges.

Gobert to nets for Simmons or Toronto for Siakam

Dlo
Booker
Bridges
Simmons
Towns

Dlo, Booker, Simmons, Towns are all buddies. This will be the BFF team.

+ Kendall Jenner as assistant coach

[HopsandBarley]

I come in peace as a Boston fan. What about Payton Pritchard for Naz? PP just doesn’t get minutes in Boston but is a good 3 or shooter and is a great competitor. He also signed next season then would become a RFA. When he gets time he plays well

[minimus]

I think we should make this happen, if suns decide to blow up their team. Granted if Booker demands a trade also.

Edwards+McDaniels+Prince and filler for Booker and Bridges.

Gobert to nets for Simmons or Toronto for Siakam

Dlo
Booker
Bridges
Simmons
Towns

Dlo, Booker, Simmons, Towns are all buddies. This will be the BFF team.

Nice trolling!

[Guidus88]

I come in peace as a Boston fan. What about Payton Pritchard for Naz? PP just doesn’t get minutes in Boston but is a good 3 or shooter and is a great competitor. He also signed next season then would become a RFA. When he gets time he plays well

Considering that KAT is out (maybe for the rest of the season) and that Gobert has been in and out in the last two months I don't think we can afford to lose Naz at this stage

[Neeva]

Kat won’t be out all season.

[Guidus88]

Kat won’t be out all season.

I was pretty sure aswell, but following this couple of tweets of last January 31st, I'm start believing that his injure is more serious than expected or that he had a relapse.

Dane Moore: On @KFAN1003 today, Tim Connelly said he doesn’t want to put a specific timetable for return on Karl-Anthony Towns’ calf injury. Said KAT is still out indefinitely. But Connelly also said it is the organization’s “full expectation” that KAT will return at some point this season.

Jon Krawczynski @JonKrawczynski
Karl-Anthony Towns has not been on the bench for the last several games. Asked Chris Finch about it before the game:
Said Towns is adhering to “recovery protocols and keeping his leg in the right position.”

[Colbinii]

I come in peace as a Boston fan. What about Payton Pritchard for Naz? PP just doesn’t get minutes in Boston but is a good 3 or shooter and is a great competitor. He also signed next season then would become a RFA. When he gets time he plays well

Timberwolves need 2 2nds in this type of deal.

[HopsandBarley]

Thanks for responding. I think they would be a little to rich for the Celtics. PP I believe does have some value around the league. I think the Celtics would move 2 seconds for Reid but it would be probably packaged more with a Justin Jackson type player. The Celtics so hold a couple of high seconds

[minimus]

Thanks for responding. I think they would be a little to rich for the Celtics. PP I believe does have some value around the league. I think the Celtics would move 2 seconds for Reid but it would be probably packaged more with a Justin Jackson type player. The Celtics so hold a couple of high seconds

PP won't get much playing time behind White and Brogdon. BOS might have deepest guard rotation in NBA.

[HopsandBarley]

Thanks for responding. I think they would be a little to rich for the Celtics. PP I believe does have some value around the league. I think the Celtics would move 2 seconds for Reid but it would be probably packaged more with a Justin Jackson type player. The Celtics so hold a couple of high seconds

PP won't get much playing time behind White and Brogdon. BOS might have deepest guard rotation in NBA.

Yeah PP definitely deserves to play unfortunately it just won’t happen unless there is an injury. Luckily for the Celtics he’s under contract next year as well so he just can’t walk for nothing. I hope a Celtics move him so he can really show what he can do

[shrink]

Thanks for responding. I think they would be a little to rich for the Celtics. PP I believe does have some value around the league. I think the Celtics would move 2 seconds for Reid but it would be probably packaged more with a Justin Jackson type player. The Celtics so hold a couple of high seconds

There is a lot of interest from other teams in Naz. The ones we’ve heard in the national media is LAC, MIA, TOR, PHX, and BOS, and if you go to most of the RealGM board, Naz is frequently mentioned. Pritchard might have a little value to the Wolves front office that has indicated a desire for ball handling, but an offer of PP alone isn’t going to be competitive. Moreover, I learned the 2nd from the Spurs is top 55 protected, so unless the one from HOU escapes it’s top 32 protection, the Celtics remaining 2nds aren’t even that valuable,

If you’re interested, Naz was pretty thoroughly discussed two days ago in the trade thread on the BOS board.

[shrink]

Naz had 22 FGA’s last night. In his other starts this season, the most he ever had was 11.

This big difference makes me wonder if Connelly told Finch to feature Naz to raise his trade value, or that there are some Wolves offers already out there where the other team is on the fence?

[HopsandBarley]

Thanks for responding. I think they would be a little to rich for the Celtics. PP I believe does have some value around the league. I think the Celtics would move 2 seconds for Reid but it would be probably packaged more with a Justin Jackson type player. The Celtics so hold a couple of high seconds

There is a lot of interest from other teams in Naz. The ones we’ve heard in the national media is LAC, MIA, TOR, PHX, and BOS, and if you go to most of the RealGM board, Naz is frequently mentioned. Pritchard might have a little value to the Wolves front office that has indicated a desire for ball handling, but an offer of PP alone isn’t going to be competitive. Moreover, I learned the 2nd from the Spurs is top 55 protected, so unless the one from HOU escapes it’s top 32 protection, the Celtics remaining 2nds aren’t even that valuable,

If you’re interested, Naz was pretty thoroughly discussed two days ago in the trade thread on the BOS board.

Do you think Reid will fetch a 1st? IMO it’s kind of a weird spot. Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

[shrink]

Thanks for responding. I think they would be a little to rich for the Celtics. PP I believe does have some value around the league. I think the Celtics would move 2 seconds for Reid but it would be probably packaged more with a Justin Jackson type player. The Celtics so hold a couple of high seconds

There is a lot of interest from other teams in Naz. The ones we’ve heard in the national media is LAC, MIA, TOR, PHX, and BOS, and if you go to most of the RealGM board, Naz is frequently mentioned. Pritchard might have a little value to the Wolves front office that has indicated a desire for ball handling, but an offer of PP alone isn’t going to be competitive. Moreover, I learned the 2nd from the Spurs is top 55 protected, so unless the one from HOU escapes it’s top 32 protection, the Celtics remaining 2nds aren’t even that valuable,

If you’re interested, Naz was pretty thoroughly discussed two days ago in the trade thread on the BOS board.

Do you think Reid will fetch a 1st? IMO it’s kind of a weird spot. Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

I’m on the record saying Naz would probably bring back two seconds, because his UFA status holds his value down. Maybe a bidding war brings it up a little, but for MIN, you have to wonder if a couple seconds is really worth the insurance policy in case Towns takes longer to get back. This season, a couple extra wins could have big playoff implications.

That’s why we have news that MIN is trying to sign Naz to an extension. He would likely still be traded next summer to a team with a bigger role for him, so the amount of the extension would need to be something that still keeps him tradeable. However, I don’t think they will likely reach a deal. The Wolves get stuck if the number is too high, and after four years on the minimum, Naz deserves to go through free agency and see other teams make him offers.

I expect whoever wins the bidding for Naz plans to re-sign him, so they get extra value for his Bird rights. II don’t expect Naz gets more than a deal starting at the MLE ($11.5), unless he goes to LAC, where Steve Ballmer has a habit of paying players slightly more than the MLE to remove competitors.

[twolves31]

There is a lot of interest from other teams in Naz. The ones we’ve heard in the national media is LAC, MIA, TOR, PHX, and BOS, and if you go to most of the RealGM board, Naz is frequently mentioned. Pritchard might have a little value to the Wolves front office that has indicated a desire for ball handling, but an offer of PP alone isn’t going to be competitive. Moreover, I learned the 2nd from the Spurs is top 55 protected, so unless the one from HOU escapes it’s top 32 protection, the Celtics remaining 2nds aren’t even that valuable,

If you’re interested, Naz was pretty thoroughly discussed two days ago in the trade thread on the BOS board.

Do you think Reid will fetch a 1st? IMO it’s kind of a weird spot. Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

I’m on the record saying Naz would probably bring back two seconds, because his UFA status holds his value down. Maybe a bidding war brings it up a little, but for MIN, you have to wonder if a couple seconds is really worth the insurance policy in case Towns takes longer to get back. This season, a couple extra wins could have big playoff implications.

That’s why we have news that MIN is trying to sign Naz to an extension. He would likely still be traded next summer to a team with a bigger role for him, so the amount of the extension would need to be something that still keeps him tradeable. However, I don’t think they will likely reach a deal. The Wolves get stuck if the number is too high, and after four years on the minimum, Naz deserves to go through free agency and see other teams make him offers.

I expect whoever wins the bidding for Naz plans to re-sign him, so they get extra value for his Bird rights. II don’t expect Naz gets more than a deal starting at the MLE ($11.5), unless he goes to LAC, where Steve Ballmer has a habit of paying players slightly more than the MLE to remove competitors.

Although I think it's unlikely, if the right team tried to trade for Naz to give him a big role, you might be able to get him to agree to an extension right after the trade is made. If that were to happen, it could increase his trade value.

[shrink]

Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

I just wanted to add that because the CBA’s extension rules are bad, the most a player can be legally extended for is 120% of his previous salary or the NBA average salary (which equals the MLE, this year at $10.1 mil).

By waiting for agency though, Naz can get any contract up to the max, but should have several bidders who own their MLE, and offer a deal starting at $11.5, and possibly more.

[wolves_89]

Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

I just wanted to add that because the CBA’s extension rules are bad, the most a player can be legally extended for is 120% of his previous salary or the NBA average salary (which equals the MLE, this year at $10.1 mil).

By waiting for agency though, Naz can get any contract up to the max, but should have several bidders who own their MLE, and offer a deal starting at $11.5, and possibly more.

I've seen in a couple of places that the NBA average salary for 2022-23 is $10.79M, though I'm not positive if that is the actual figure. Based on the CBA, Naz could be extended with a first-year salary that is 120% of the average salary. That would mean that an extension would start with $12.95M in 2023-24 (which would be $42M/3 years).

[Neeva]

There is a lot of interest from other teams in Naz. The ones we’ve heard in the national media is LAC, MIA, TOR, PHX, and BOS, and if you go to most of the RealGM board, Naz is frequently mentioned. Pritchard might have a little value to the Wolves front office that has indicated a desire for ball handling, but an offer of PP alone isn’t going to be competitive. Moreover, I learned the 2nd from the Spurs is top 55 protected, so unless the one from HOU escapes it’s top 32 protection, the Celtics remaining 2nds aren’t even that valuable,

If you’re interested, Naz was pretty thoroughly discussed two days ago in the trade thread on the BOS board.

Do you think Reid will fetch a 1st? IMO it’s kind of a weird spot. Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

I’m on the record saying Naz would probably bring back two seconds, because his UFA status holds his value down. Maybe a bidding war brings it up a little, but for MIN, you have to wonder if a couple seconds is really worth the insurance policy in case Towns takes longer to get back. This season, a couple extra wins could have big playoff implications.

That’s why we have news that MIN is trying to sign Naz to an extension. He would likely still be traded next summer to a team with a bigger role for him, so the amount of the extension would need to be something that still keeps him tradeable. However, I don’t think they will likely reach a deal. The Wolves get stuck if the number is too high, and after four years on the minimum, Naz deserves to go through free agency and see other teams make him offers.

I expect whoever wins the bidding for Naz plans to re-sign him, so they get extra value for his Bird rights. II don’t expect Naz gets more than a deal starting at the MLE ($11.5), unless he goes to LAC, where Steve Ballmer has a habit of paying players slightly more than the MLE to remove competitors.

I think Naz will bring back a first , maybe something like Cam Thomas and the nets first. They need a center badly.

[shrink]

Do you give up a lot for an expiring backup player and hope you can resign him? If you can resign him what does that contract look like? Is it 15 million a year? Is it more? Do the Wolves just keep him at hope a team doesn’t overpay for him? It’s going to be fun to watch it all unfold.

I just wanted to add that because the CBA’s extension rules are bad, the most a player can be legally extended for is 120% of his previous salary or the NBA average salary (which equals the MLE, this year at $10.1 mil).

By waiting for agency though, Naz can get any contract up to the max, but should have several bidders who own their MLE, and offer a deal starting at $11.5, and possibly more.

I've seen in a couple of places that the NBA average salary for 2022-23 is $10.79M, though I'm not positive if that is the actual figure. Based on the CBA, Naz could be extended with a first-year salary that is 120% of the average salary. That would mean that an extension would start with $12.95M in 2023-24 (which would be $42M/3 years).

Good catch. Thank you. This year’s MLE is $10.49. I had to look it up, because I read so many projections for years leading up to it, that I always forget! And you’re right about the 120% raise too on both.

My point was that, like many good players, the CBA rules limit what they can get in an extension, and it is far more likely Naz waits until free agency. They really need to change the extension rule.

[KGdaBom]

I just read that Bones Hyland has some friction with Nuggets management and that the Wolves are interested. Bones has talent that I know and would be a very good fit talent wise on our team.