Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

[Norseman79]

Ok...let's get crazy and I am bored...

Pelicans out: McCollum, Zion, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 2025&27 1rst
In: Simons, Sharpe, Moore jr, Bertans, #3 & 10

Mavericks out: Bertans, Hardway,10
In: McCollum, Nurkic, Prince

Blazers out: Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Little, 3, 23
In Zion, Kat

Timberwolves out: Kat, Moore Jr., Prince
In: Hardway, Little, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 23, 2025&27 1rsts

Wolves go
PG Conley, Daniels,
SG Edwards, NAW
SF McDaniels, Murphy
PF ????, Anderson
C. Gobert, Naz

Pick 14 and 23 on bpa and still able to flip Hardaway and Little if needed and land 25 & 27 firsts.

At 14, I look at Noah Clowney or GG Jackson to develop behind Anderson for a year. At 23, I look at Nick Smith Jr, Rayan Rupert as combo guard to develop.

Also try to sign Trey Lyles or Jalen McDaniels to start at pf

Ok, rip away

[fattymcgee]

Ok...let's get crazy and I am bored...

Pelicans out: McCollum, Zion, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 2025&27 1rst
In: Simons, Sharpe, Moore jr, Bertans, #3 & 10

Mavericks out: Bertans, Hardway,10
In: McCollum, Nurkic, Prince

Blazers out: Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Little, 3, 23
In Zion, Kat

Timberwolves out: Kat, Moore Jr., Prince
In: Hardway, Little, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 23, 2025&27 1rsts

Wolves go
PG Conley, Daniels,
SG Edwards, NAW
SF McDaniels, Murphy
PF ????, Anderson
C. Gobert, Naz

Pick 14 and 23 on bpa and still able to flip Hardaway and Little if needed and land 25 & 27 firsts.

At 14, I look at Noah Clowney or GG Jackson to develop behind Anderson for a year. At 23, I look at Nick Smith Jr, Rayan Rupert as combo guard to develop.

Ok, rip away

That is an absolute haul for the Pels and garbage for wolves. We aren't even getting one potential future All-Star.

[shrink]

I honestly thought Rudy was cashed before the trade, I saw nothing to dispell that. If they get 1 slightly above average player, (and frankly it is a rolling scale as time passes) they win. That is how little they need to get to win.

Maybe the last year only provides confirmation bias? IDK, but Rudy is just a name at this point if his production holds.

“Cashed” seems pretty extreme for a guy that was Top 15 in the NBA in both DRtg and ORtg last year, and when he was on the floor, the Wolves had the #2 Defense in the NBA. But those are just numbers.

[shrink]

So I’m not a fan of trading KAT, but I think Orlando might be willing to offer the best package. One of their biggest weaknesses is in three point shooting, where there were 24th in percentage and 25th in made three pointers. They have a lot of young lottery talent, but much of it doesn’t fit together or overlaps. And on top of all this, their star Paulo Banchero said it was “Playoffs or Bust” for them next year.

[Norseman79]

Ok...let's get crazy and I am bored...

Pelicans out: McCollum, Zion, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 2025&27 1rst
In: Simons, Sharpe, Moore jr, Bertans, #3 & 10

Mavericks out: Bertans, Hardway,10
In: McCollum, Nurkic, Prince

Blazers out: Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Little, 3, 23
In Zion, Kat

Timberwolves out: Kat, Moore Jr., Prince
In: Hardway, Little, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 23, 2025&27 1rsts

Wolves go
PG Conley, Daniels,
SG Edwards, NAW
SF McDaniels, Murphy
PF ????, Anderson
C. Gobert, Naz

Pick 14 and 23 on bpa and still able to flip Hardaway and Little if needed and land 25 & 27 firsts.

At 14, I look at Noah Clowney or GG Jackson to develop behind Anderson for a year. At 23, I look at Nick Smith Jr, Rayan Rupert as combo guard to develop.

Ok, rip away

That is an absolute haul for the Pels and garbage for wolves. We aren't even getting one potential future All-Star.

I mean Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels definitely have potential, plus 4 1rst round picks for Kat...I wouldn't call that garbage. Pels get most because they are giving most...

[Battletrigger]

The smartest:

Timberwolves receive:

• Rudy Gobert

Jazz receive:

• Malik Beasley
• Patrick Beverley
• Leandro Bolmaro
• Walker Kessler (No. 22 pick in 2022 Draft)
• Jarred Vanderbilt
• 2023 first-round pick
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick
• 2029 first-round pick

A smart FO would trade KAT, which is why we probably won't.

Why do you think you're right? Our POBO built a championship team that looks like it's not a flash in the pan... what is your experience?

You are looking through a keyhole and are pretending that you are seeing the whole building.

Lol.

Your post is near fundamentalist, almost blind faith.

It's nice see that people always can suprise you.

[fattymcgee]

Ok...let's get crazy and I am bored...

Pelicans out: McCollum, Zion, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 2025&27 1rst
In: Simons, Sharpe, Moore jr, Bertans, #3 & 10

Mavericks out: Bertans, Hardway,10
In: McCollum, Nurkic, Prince

Blazers out: Simons, Sharpe, Nurkic, Little, 3, 23
In Zion, Kat

Timberwolves out: Kat, Moore Jr., Prince
In: Hardway, Little, Murphy, Daniels, 14, 23, 2025&27 1rsts

Wolves go
PG Conley, Daniels,
SG Edwards, NAW
SF McDaniels, Murphy
PF ????, Anderson
C. Gobert, Naz

Pick 14 and 23 on bpa and still able to flip Hardaway and Little if needed and land 25 & 27 firsts.

At 14, I look at Noah Clowney or GG Jackson to develop behind Anderson for a year. At 23, I look at Nick Smith Jr, Rayan Rupert as combo guard to develop.

Ok, rip away

That is an absolute haul for the Pels and garbage for wolves. We aren't even getting one potential future All-Star.

I mean Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels definitely have potential, plus 4 1rst round picks for Kat...I wouldn't call that garbage. Pels get most because they are giving most...

Potential to do what? It's extremely unlikely either will be an all-star and Daniels was not good last year. The four 1st round picks will be mid to late round picks. We need some Talent coming back.

[Norseman79]

That is an absolute haul for the Pels and garbage for wolves. We aren't even getting one potential future All-Star.

I mean Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels definitely have potential, plus 4 1rst round picks for Kat...I wouldn't call that garbage. Pels get most because they are giving most...

Potential to do what? It's extremely unlikely either will be an all-star and Daniels was not good last year. The four 1st round picks will be mid to late round picks. We need some Talent coming back.

Murphy definitely has the potential to be an All-Star. My guess is you aren't super familiar with his game other than maybe stat sheets. The kid can shoot, defend, and has improved handles.

https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/05/30/crazy-statistics-trey-murphy-iii/

As far as Daniels goes, at the very least you were looking at a legit backup point guard on a reasonable contract. With the potential to become an elite defensive stopper and passer.
https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/03/24/dyson-daniels-breakdown-pelicans-get-hidden-gem-2023-class/

[Domejandro]

Read on Twitter

Below points stolen from here.

Wolves are trying to trade back up into the first round but so far are not making progress

Wolves want cheap draft picks to fill out a bloated salary roster at the top

Finch, Connelly and all 3 owners are content to run it back

The Towns for #3 and Simons mock is complete fantasy. Wolves have not held talks around that. There has been nothing of substance for any Wolves asset

Gobert and Edwards are in Minnesota this summer working out together and improving their chemistry

Naz Reid is still in Minnesota. Both sides want to agree to a deal for him to stay

[urinesane]

A smart FO would trade KAT, which is why we probably won't.

Why do you think you're right? Our POBO built a championship team that looks like it's not a flash in the pan... what is your experience?

You are looking through a keyhole and are pretending that you are seeing the whole building.

Lol.

Your post is near fundamentalist, almost blind faith.

It's nice see that people always can suprise you.

How so? I stated a fact, you stated an opinion. What makes your opinion worth anything? I'm not saying they are perfect or the Rudy trade was awesome, but it's not near as bad as the hyperbole spewing from the keyboard warriors and mainstream media.

I'd rather put trust in someone who's done the thing rather than someone who only criticises people doing the thing.

[SO_MONEY]

Read on Twitter

Below points stolen from here.

Wolves are trying to trade back up into the first round but so far are not making progress

Wolves want cheap draft picks to fill out a bloated salary roster at the top

Finch, Connelly and all 3 owners are content to run it back

The Towns for #3 and Simons mock is complete fantasy. Wolves have not held talks around that. There has been nothing of substance for any Wolves asset

Gobert and Edwards are in Minnesota this summer working out together and improving their chemistry

Naz Reid is still in Minnesota. Both sides want to agree to a deal for him to stay

If they are content running it back they are fools, you trade Towns now or you at minimum have to wait two years... and what is his value at that point? You can't trade him next year you owe a pick...So 25-26... 27-28? Where does this lunacy stop? We need to build around ANT! We cannot afford to sabotage his prime years He will demand out if we don't do right by him. We cannot afford to waste value because there are consequences if we do.

I sure hope this is just subterfuge because the obvious move is to cash in now and still have a chance at the playoffs and if not add a lottery pick next year to a team that is in the verge.

Run it back on a .500 team that frankly looks better without him. Cripes.

[NebWolvesFan]

This article comes out every year before the draft. Jon K or Chris H write a story about how much the owners love the team and how important every player is on the roster. It's a gimmick to keep people from saying "Minnesota is shopping Towns. Get him cheap."

My guess is tomorrow we get a story from another reporter saying "Minnesota wants a massive amount of assets to even discuss a trade for Towns."

It's all lies the week of the draft.

[Domejandro]

Below points stolen from here.

Wolves are trying to trade back up into the first round but so far are not making progress

Wolves want cheap draft picks to fill out a bloated salary roster at the top

Finch, Connelly and all 3 owners are content to run it back

The Towns for #3 and Simons mock is complete fantasy. Wolves have not held talks around that. There has been nothing of substance for any Wolves asset

Gobert and Edwards are in Minnesota this summer working out together and improving their chemistry

Naz Reid is still in Minnesota. Both sides want to agree to a deal for him to stay

If they are content running it back they are fools, you trade Towns now or you at minimum have to wait two years... and what is his value at that point? You can't trade him next year you owe a pick...So 25-26... 27-28? Where does this lunacy stop? We need to build around ANT! We cannot afford to sabotage his prime years He will demand out if we don't do right by him. We cannot afford to waste value because there are consequences if we do.

I sure hope this is just subterfuge because the obvious move is to cash in now and still have a chance at the playoffs and if not add a lottery pick next year to a team that is in the verge.

Run it back on a .500 team that frankly looks better without him. Cripes.

There is absolutely no reason why Minnesota couldn't trade him next year, owing a pick doesn't prevent them from doing so.

The panic over needing to trade Karl-Anthony Towns at this exact point in time feels silly to me, especially given the context of not knowing if there are even any worthwhile offers. Minnesota was arguably Denver's toughest matchup, despite the team being half-crippled during the series. Really not the end of the world to run it back.

[SO_MONEY]

Below points stolen from here.

If they are content running it back they are fools, you trade Towns now or you at minimum have to wait two years... and what is his value at that point? You can't trade him next year you owe a pick...So 25-26... 27-28? Where does this lunacy stop? We need to build around ANT! We cannot afford to sabotage his prime years He will demand out if we don't do right by him. We cannot afford to waste value because there are consequences if we do.

I sure hope this is just subterfuge because the obvious move is to cash in now and still have a chance at the playoffs and if not add a lottery pick next year to a team that is in the verge.

Run it back on a .500 team that frankly looks better without him. Cripes.

There is absolutely no reason why Minnesota couldn't trade him next year, owing a pick doesn't prevent them from doing so.

The panic over needing to trade Karl-Anthony Towns at this exact point in time feels silly to me, especially given the context of not knowing if there are even any worthwhile offers. Minnesota was arguably Denver's toughest matchup, despite the team being half-crippled during the series. Really not the end of the world to run it back.

It doesn't prevent them, it would just be stupid to do so. If you think a trade is going to improve the team and not affect the pick, then there is no reason to hold off BTW.

This is a .500 team, with Towns and Gobert, perhaps address that before thinking this team has a chance.

[twolves31]

I mean Trey Murphy and Dyson Daniels definitely have potential, plus 4 1rst round picks for Kat...I wouldn't call that garbage. Pels get most because they are giving most...

Potential to do what? It's extremely unlikely either will be an all-star and Daniels was not good last year. The four 1st round picks will be mid to late round picks. We need some Talent coming back.

Murphy definitely has the potential to be an All-Star. My guess is you aren't super familiar with his game other than maybe stat sheets. The kid can shoot, defend, and has improved handles.

https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/05/30/crazy-statistics-trey-murphy-iii/

As far as Daniels goes, at the very least you were looking at a legit backup point guard on a reasonable contract. With the potential to become an elite defensive stopper and passer.
https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/03/24/dyson-daniels-breakdown-pelicans-get-hidden-gem-2023-class/

Any Towns trade where we are trading our starting pf, needs to bring back a starting pg or a cheaper long term starting pf. I like Daniels, but unless Jaden is going to move to the pf, we don't need another potential great sg, Ant has already locked down 34 minutes a game there. We aren't trading our starting pf, for a legit backup pg.

[Battletrigger]

Why do you think you're right? Our POBO built a championship team that looks like it's not a flash in the pan... what is your experience?

You are looking through a keyhole and are pretending that you are seeing the whole building.

Lol.

Your post is near fundamentalist, almost blind faith.

It's nice see that people always can suprise you.

How so? I stated a fact, you stated an opinion. What makes your opinion worth anything? I'm not saying they are perfect or the Rudy trade was awesome, but it's not near as bad as the hyperbole spewing from the keyboard warriors and mainstream media.

I'd rather put trust in someone who's done the thing rather than someone who only criticises people doing the thing.

You made a fallacy, trying to extrapolate the Denver situation to Sota, where the roster is totally different and the trades so far, cuestionable at best.

But there is no problem, some people cannot afford to be wrong, want to see everything pink although the reality is not matching their opinion and deny the fact. But not problem, all is fine if you give it another year.

[Norseman79]

Potential to do what? It's extremely unlikely either will be an all-star and Daniels was not good last year. The four 1st round picks will be mid to late round picks. We need some Talent coming back.

Murphy definitely has the potential to be an All-Star. My guess is you aren't super familiar with his game other than maybe stat sheets. The kid can shoot, defend, and has improved handles.

https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/05/30/crazy-statistics-trey-murphy-iii/

As far as Daniels goes, at the very least you were looking at a legit backup point guard on a reasonable contract. With the potential to become an elite defensive stopper and passer.
https://pelicandebrief.com/2023/03/24/dyson-daniels-breakdown-pelicans-get-hidden-gem-2023-class/

Any Towns trade where we are trading our starting pf, needs to bring back a starting pg or a cheaper long term starting pf. I like Daniels, but unless Jaden is going to move to the pf, we don't need another potential great sg, Ant has already locked down 34 minutes a game there. We aren't trading our starting pf, for a legit backup pg.

Daniels is a PG and could be ready to start based on passing and defense alone. Murphy is 6'8/9 with a 7' plus wingspan and is definitely a forward. Both are solid to good starters already. Yes Murphy and McDaniels are both SF, but both can guard multiple positions. The trade nets 4 1rsts plus cap room to resign Naz and Naw plus a potential starting PF in a guy like Lyles or Jalen McDaniels.

Honestly, I don't think we trade him. I think we will be a complacently mediocre.

[shrink]

A smart FO would trade KAT, which is why we probably won't.

Why do you think you're right? Our POBO built a championship team that looks like it's not a flash in the pan... what is your experience?

You are looking through a keyhole and are pretending that you are seeing the whole building.

Lol.

Your post is near fundamentalist, almost blind faith.

It's nice see that people always can suprise you.

The guy who is betting on a real GM, the GM that built the current NBA champs (not internet posters), is your “blind faith guy?”

It’s all projecting the future, but you prefer to believe internet posters over an actual, successful GM?

[Baseline81]

The guy who is betting on a real GM, the GM that built the current NBA champs (not internet posters), is your “blind faith guy?”

It’s all projecting the future, but you prefer to believe internet posters over an actual, successful GM?

I will stay out of whether one should believe internet posters, but do want to point out because Connelly was a successful GM in Denver does not mean he will automatically succeed in Minnesota.

[Battletrigger]

I don't know why you bring here other posters. I talk only for myself and I was quoted by So Money, not vice versa.

How many GWs repeat chips in different places? But man, he must love Sota since he preferred to let other GM all the glory for the championship while jumping in a place known for his fantastic management like Sota.