2017 Draft Thread

[NewWolvesOrder]

Do any of you think Zach or John Collins would be good picks if Isaacs isn't there?

John Collins is a dinosaur in the modern NBA. He can't stretch the floor, can't defend in space, and doesn't protect the rim. I probably wouldn't take him in the first round.


Zach Collins is a more intriguing long term prospect. He has shown range. He's shown some versatility defensively. He's scrappy. But he just looks like a kid right now and I have a hard time seeing him being an impact player during his 4-year rookie contract.

Thanks for responding. I appreciate your point of view. I totally agree with some of your assessments while I do disagree with some. Defense is a problem especially on the perimeter but he can defend inside and rebounds like crazy on both sides. His offensive game close to the basket is out of this world. Best I've seen in a long time. We don't need an outside game from him next to Towns. He'll block out and get the put- backs. He does need to improve in some areas for sure but I think he'll be a very good pro. I love his PF fit next to Towns.

I just disagree with this wholeheartedly. There's no way KAT should complement anyone. He's the franchise, you pick the players who complement him. His outside game is just a bonus, he's a beast inside and on the offensive boards, he's very good driving the to the rim. No way he should just stretch the floor and watch a guy like Collins go to work inside, that's just silly. I always laughed at people who wanted Okafor next to KAT (very dumb!). You need floor stretching on offense and tough defense next to him, ideally both. If Collins doesn't shine in either department then Krap is right.

[rugbyrugger23]

I posted this on TnT board, but I think the concept fits well here...

Thibs to me is trading the pick. Here are the trades I like, value can be discussed all day.

1. #7 for Gordon + #25 + #33. I think Magic should add some value. Filler can be exchanged. But framework of a trade is there. Magic new brass get back to back picks at 6-7 (so essentially 2 number 6's) for a fresh start. Thibs gets a non rookie, defensive personal-pet-project for next to Towns.

2. A Rubio trade. Thibs attaches #25 + #33 to Rubio, and calls...

Knicks at 8 (while taking back Lee or ?).
Mavs at 9 (while taking back Matthews or ?).
Pistons at 12 (I like I. Smith as vet bridge PG).
He is also willing to add value as needed to get back in top 10 or late lotto for player he feels is ideal -- and maybe even who is a reach at 7.

Now armed with a 8, 9, or 12...whom does Thibs draft? Or does he trade the pick again for ideal young vet. Looking at you Crowder.

I think one of the guards will be left on the draft board at 8 or 9. One of the PF, if not the 1st one to come off draft board is sitting there. OG should be available at any of those spots (my personal choice who should be available at even 12).

[vtime]

Would you take Saric and #3 for Lavine?

[PharmD]

yes

[the_bruce]

Would you take Saric and #3 for Lavine?

I'm in the minority and would not.

[vtime]

Would you take Saric and #3 for Lavine?

I'm in the minority and would not.

I understand, but he's going to want the Max next summer and I have to think after Wiggins and Towns get the nax,you wont be able to pay him and will lose him for nothing at all.

[minimus]

As Euro basketball fan, I would

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[vtime]

yes

I see no downside for Minnesota and the only risk for Philly is lingering knee problems.

[vtime]

Or Lavine +Dieng for Drummond

[Sugarless]

Even without the prospect of paying him max money or close to it just a year from now, the Sixers are not dealing a top pick in a strong draft that can get them a better prospect, plus an excellent rookie, for a guy recovering from a torn ACL.

[Mattya]

Or Lavine +Dieng for Drummond

You are all over the place with your valuation. How can you suggest Philadelphia's pick and Saric for LaVine and then a couple posts later offer LaVine and Dieng for Andre Drummond? I would be shocked if Drummond alone could bring back LaVine, Philadelphia's pick or Saric in a trade.

and that is without even mentioning how terrible of a fit Drummond is next to Karl Anthony Towns.

[Klomp]

John Collins is a dinosaur in the modern NBA. He can't stretch the floor, can't defend in space, and doesn't protect the rim. I probably wouldn't take him in the first round.


Zach Collins is a more intriguing long term prospect. He has shown range. He's shown some versatility defensively. He's scrappy. But he just looks like a kid right now and I have a hard time seeing him being an impact player during his 4-year rookie contract.

Thanks for responding. I appreciate your point of view. I totally agree with some of your assessments while I do disagree with some. Defense is a problem especially on the perimeter but he can defend inside and rebounds like crazy on both sides. His offensive game close to the basket is out of this world. Best I've seen in a long time. We don't need an outside game from him next to Towns. He'll block out and get the put- backs. He does need to improve in some areas for sure but I think he'll be a very good pro. I love his PF fit next to Towns.

I just disagree with this wholeheartedly. There's no way KAT should complement anyone. He's the franchise, you pick the players who complement him. His outside game is just a bonus, he's a beast inside and on the offensive boards, he's very good driving the to the rim. No way he should just stretch the floor and watch a guy like Collins go to work inside, that's just silly. I always laughed at people who wanted Okafor next to KAT (very dumb!). You need floor stretching on offense and tough defense next to him, ideally both. If Collins doesn't shine in either department then Krap is right.

I think you completely misunderstood what Nick said. Nowhere does he said Collins would come in as the star and Towns would complement him in a secondary role, which seems to be how you interpreted his post.

[Klomp]

I wouldn't draft Collins with the 7th pick because there are some better options with that pick but maybe we could make a trade for him.

If he's the guy that is determined to be the best option, it'd be foolish to trade down. There isn't some wide margin between the options at that point in the draft. You take the guy you want.

[Worm Guts]

Thanks for responding. I appreciate your point of view. I totally agree with some of your assessments while I do disagree with some. Defense is a problem especially on the perimeter but he can defend inside and rebounds like crazy on both sides. His offensive game close to the basket is out of this world. Best I've seen in a long time. We don't need an outside game from him next to Towns. He'll block out and get the put- backs. He does need to improve in some areas for sure but I think he'll be a very good pro. I love his PF fit next to Towns.

I just disagree with this wholeheartedly. There's no way KAT should complement anyone. He's the franchise, you pick the players who complement him. His outside game is just a bonus, he's a beast inside and on the offensive boards, he's very good driving the to the rim. No way he should just stretch the floor and watch a guy like Collins go to work inside, that's just silly. I always laughed at people who wanted Okafor next to KAT (very dumb!). You need floor stretching on offense and tough defense next to him, ideally both. If Collins doesn't shine in either department then Krap is right.

I think you completely misunderstood what Nick said. Nowhere does he said Collins would come in as the star and Towns would complement him in a secondary role, which seems to be how you interpreted his post.

Well not really, Nick said Towns would complement Collins. NWO's point is that we should find someone who complements Towns, since he is the primary option.

[Klomp]

I just disagree with this wholeheartedly. There's no way KAT should complement anyone. He's the franchise, you pick the players who complement him. His outside game is just a bonus, he's a beast inside and on the offensive boards, he's very good driving the to the rim. No way he should just stretch the floor and watch a guy like Collins go to work inside, that's just silly. I always laughed at people who wanted Okafor next to KAT (very dumb!). You need floor stretching on offense and tough defense next to him, ideally both. If Collins doesn't shine in either department then Krap is right.

I think you completely misunderstood what Nick said. Nowhere does he said Collins would come in as the star and Towns would complement him in a secondary role, which seems to be how you interpreted his post.

Well not really, Nick said Towns would complement Collins. NWO's point is that we should find someone who complements Towns, since he is the primary option.

I guess I'm not seeing that.

I see "his PF fit next to Towns" (meaning Collins complements Towns, not the other way around)

I've read his quoted post about 10-20 times and have yet to read anything saying Towns would complement Collins.....maybe I'm growing dumb now that I hit 30 this past year.

[HitmanCapone]

Duke scored 85 and 99 points in those games. I'm not sure I'm willing to concede that Collins was shutting people down. That's not his reputation.
His offensive and rebounding numbers are impressive though.

fair enough. No one in college plays really good (if any) defense as it is. Kennard went crazy in the 2nd half of the first game and no defense was played in the 2nd... Just wanted to make the point that John Collins is not a dinosaur and will be a great player for an NBA team.

John Collins is a very mobile big guy and he seems to combine strength,athleticism and toughness which in my opinion will be very helpful for the Wolves.
He reminds me Marquesse Chriss but I think Collins could be a little better prospect because he seems stronger and better scorer than Chriss.
I wouldn't draft Collins with the 7th pick because there are some better options with that pick but maybe we could make a trade for him.

That's basically what I was trying to imply with my post but did a poor job of it ... lol

[NewWolvesOrder]

I think you completely misunderstood what Nick said. Nowhere does he said Collins would come in as the star and Towns would complement him in a secondary role, which seems to be how you interpreted his post.

Well not really, Nick said Towns would complement Collins. NWO's point is that we should find someone who complements Towns, since he is the primary option.

I guess I'm not seeing that.

I see "his PF fit next to Towns" (meaning Collins complements Towns, not the other way around)

I've read his quoted post about 10-20 times and have yet to read anything saying Towns would complement Collins.....maybe I'm growing dumb now that I hit 30 this past year.

Let's put it this way: you and Nick are on the wrong side of 2 separate arguments; and move on

[Klomp]

I've got a couple scenarios I'm going back and forth on.



Keep Ricky, draft Markkanen

While I'm hoping Rubio's shooting struggles are behind him, I don't want to bank on that being the case. And even if he has turned the corner, can you ever have too many shooters? Besides, I think Markkanen has potential to be much more than just a Ryan Anderson or Nemanja Bjelica....that could end up being his floor. I think he's got ability to do stuff with the ball in his hands. While not a post player on the level of Towns, I think that could be developed. Defense is an issue, but I think his offensive production can overcome that weakness.

Trade Ricky, draft Smith

If we end up trading Rubio, he's going to need a replacement. But really, I think a pick like this simply comes down to being BPA when the Wolves are on the clock. I guess Rubio wouldn't technically have to be traded if they drafted Smith, but I think it would be the eventual outcome. A pick like this also could mean they're fine with PF as-is right now, or are comfortable addressing the position in free agency.

[theGreatRC]

I've got a couple scenarios I'm going back and forth on.



Keep Ricky, draft Markkanen

While I'm hoping Rubio's shooting struggles are behind him, I don't want to bank on that being the case. And even if he has turned the corner, can you ever have too many shooters? Besides, I think Markkanen has potential to be much more than just a Ryan Anderson or Nemanja Bjelica....that could end up being his floor. I think he's got ability to do stuff with the ball in his hands. While not a post player on the level of Towns, I think that could be developed. Defense is an issue, but I think his offensive production can overcome that weakness.

Trade Ricky, draft Smith

If we end up trading Rubio, he's going to need a replacement. But really, I think a pick like this simply comes down to being BPA when the Wolves are on the clock. I guess Rubio wouldn't technically have to be traded if they drafted Smith, but I think it would be the eventual outcome. A pick like this also could mean they're fine with PF as-is right now, or are comfortable addressing the position in free agency.

Would you trust a Smith/Dunn backcourt?

I'd personally let Ricky run the second unit and look to move Dunn to a team like the Nets for Trevor Booker.

Ricky is like an insurance for us just in case Smith can't handle the NBA level yet.

As for the first scenario, I'd love Lauri on this team, I'm foaming at the mouth thinking of how spread the floor would be with him and KAT on the court.

[PharmD]

Or Lavine +Dieng for Drummond

no obviously

But how about Dieng for Drummond straight up? Detroit says no for sure but i actually think Minnesota should too. Drummond is just such an atrocious pairing with Towns and makes so much money.