Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Alwaysrightguy]

fk KAT and fK wiggs the charmin twins. wish all the best for JB but this is unfixable...I get it! take the picks and please trade the charmin twins for more picks.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Rockets need to trade pj Tucker you want him HAVE HIM than the lineup will be

Paul-harden-butler-carmello-capella

It doesn't really matter who you put next to that 1 2 3 there going to be a top 2 seed regardless. Carmello has played the five so the four should be fine, i cut him at 25mpg can turn him into a spot up shooter 5-8 shots a game and they are set. Do twolves really want PJ Tucker? He seems like a Tim t type guy TAKE HIM. Houston doesn't need that one dimensional player anyway and getting a top 20 player in butler back, its a no brainer.

You couldn't be more wrong, imo. Its not about seedings, its about beating the Warriors, point blank. The Rockets need multiple wing defenders to realistically beat them. Tucker is 5 times more useful for Houston than he'd be for theWolves.

Paul\Harden\Butler would give warriors a run for the money, the series would be a coinflip. If Klay Thompson continues to shoot the way he's been shooting so far this season than Rockets will beat them in 6.

[red96]

Rockets need to trade pj Tucker you want him HAVE HIM than the lineup will be

Paul-harden-butler-carmello-capella

It doesn't really matter who you put next to that 1 2 3 there going to be a top 2 seed regardless. Carmello has played the five so the four should be fine, i cut him at 25mpg can turn him into a spot up shooter 5-8 shots a game and they are set. Do twolves really want PJ Tucker? He seems like a Tim t type guy TAKE HIM. Houston doesn't need that one dimensional player anyway and getting a top 20 player in butler back, its a no brainer.

You couldn't be more wrong, imo. Its not about seedings, its about beating the Warriors, point blank. The Rockets need multiple wing defenders to realistically beat them. Tucker is 5 times more useful for Houston than he'd be for theWolves.

Paul\Harden\Butler would give warriors a run for the money, the series would be a coinflip. If Klay Thompson continues to shoot the way he's been shooting so far this season than Rockets will beat them in 6.

You're forgetting one of the biggest reasons the Rockets almost beat the Warriors, despite being outmatched pure talentwise. The Rockets refused to add Tucker to Gordon for that reason. You also aren't acknowledging the current rosters of both teams(Cousins,no Ariza, ect.). The rosters have changed and there wont be a training camp to acclimate Butler into the team and system.

[_AIJ_]

KAT and Wiggins maybe soft but jimmy is a bitch


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[shrink]

https://thesixersense.com/2018/10/26/philadelphia-76ers-might-still-jimmy-butler-trade-talks/

According to Shams, however, the Wolves are surveying the market for potential suitors. He mentions two teams as potential destinations: the Miami Heat, who the Wolves have negotiated with in the past, and the Philadelphia 76ers.

While Shams doesn’t mention the Sixers as a team currently pursuing Butler, he does note that other teams have identified the Sixers as a team that could get involved.

There are also the logistics of a potential trade. If the Wolves want proven talent, elite prospects and high-end draft picks, the Sixers would almost need to clean house. Robert Covington, Markelle Fultz and Dario Saric might all be on the move, which is a hefty price tag.

I think Covington needs to be in the deal, but I would doubt Fultz is offered. PHI’s front office bet heavily on Fultz, and he is worth more to them than any other team.

[KGdaBom]

https://thesixersense.com/2018/10/26/philadelphia-76ers-might-still-jimmy-butler-trade-talks/

According to Shams, however, the Wolves are surveying the market for potential suitors. He mentions two teams as potential destinations: the Miami Heat, who the Wolves have negotiated with in the past, and the Philadelphia 76ers.

While Shams doesn’t mention the Sixers as a team currently pursuing Butler, he does note that other teams have identified the Sixers as a team that could get involved.

There are also the logistics of a potential trade. If the Wolves want proven talent, elite prospects and high-end draft picks, the Sixers would almost need to clean house. Robert Covington, Markelle Fultz and Dario Saric might all be on the move, which is a hefty price tag.

I think Covington needs to be in the deal, but I would doubt Fultz is offered. PHI’s front office bet heavily on Fultz, and he is worth more to them than any other team.

Even though I thought Fultz was broken beyond repair I would take the Fultz, Saric, and Covington deal. Fultz has a glimmer of hope.

[Reddy83]

I believe both KAT and Wiggs are being stunted right now. Mostly Towns as Wiggs seems to be rounding out his game into a solid 2nd or 3rd best player on a good playoff team. I realize that's suboptimal for a guy getting maxed.

Towns is clearly talented and is showing better rebounding and defense this year, despite moping around when Jimmy has been on the court. He can and will be a franchise type player if we give him he right surrounding environment; but it won't be this year, it's going to take time.

Jimmy did what he thought was right. It was dead wrong. Thibs did what he thought was right, but it was beyond stupid. He was told there was a road block early in the summer and just set the cruise control thinking he was smarter than everyone and it would be find once players were on the court. This is the worse situation I've seen in the franchise.

Glen Taylor has proven himself incredibly incompetent. To be this bad, for this long is easily on the level of the Clippers in terms of franchise ineptitude, maybe worse. The one guy who repped our state and franchise he burned bridges with--everyone loved KG and he's out talking smack about the owner. Taylor just doesn't understand what it takes to build a winning organization, despite his proclamations in the media. He doesn't understand culture. What I wouldn't give for a Mark Cuban style owner who really loves the game and wants to build a fanbase that loves the team...and invests in it.

Think of how many amazing options we had in the early summer to pick a great spot to trade Jimmy predraft or post draft. What if we'd tried to pick swap with ATL and soak up some contracts in return? We pick Luka and figure out a Teague move after. What if we target young assets from Lakers, or any number of other organizations? I know this stuff isn't easy--but Thibs/Layden had the clear signal that Jimmy was a problem and he has real value, we have a lot of movable assets to get younger and clear the way to make KAT the man. Instead, we ignore everything and invite a festering petulant player to ruin the locker room.

This whole thing reeks of how we wasted KGs prime. KATs two to three years from his prime years. We big dumb right now.

[Jedzz]

Even though I thought Fultz was broken beyond repair I would take the Fultz, Saric, and Covington deal. Fultz has a glimmer of hope.

Fultz seems like a Timberwolves player. Always something wrong with them. Looks really slow or like he's out of gas all the time. But long enough to finish it anyway. I would suggest a diet infusion of blueberries, garlic and carrots if I was a docta. Otherwise if they took that deal I would play Saric and Covington and look to trade Fultz soon after. Don't really need yet another player that needs confidence pampering. I saw a defensive block from him recently and that looks refreshing anyway.

[shrink]

Taylor just doesn't understand what it takes to build a winning organization, despite his proclamations in the media. He doesn't understand culture. What I wouldn't give for a Mark Cuban style owner who really loves the game and wants to build a fanbase that loves the team...and invests in it.

How do you balance this position with his success in these areas owning the Lynx?

[KGdaBom]

Even though I thought Fultz was broken beyond repair I would take the Fultz, Saric, and Covington deal. Fultz has a glimmer of hope.

Fultz seems like a Timberwolves player. Always something wrong with them. Looks really slow or like he's out of gas all the time. But long enough to finish it anyway. I would suggest a diet infusion of blueberries, garlic and carrots if I was a docta. Otherwise if they took that deal I would play Saric and Covington and look to trade Fultz soon after. Don't really need yet another player that needs confidence pampering. I saw a defensive block from him recently and that looks refreshing anyway.

I had never seen a more broken shot from any professional basketball player than I saw from Fultz last year. However, there is no denying he has some skill. He would be a huge reclamation project, but if he can be fixed the payoff would be large. As for the other part of the proposed trade Covington and Saric are both proven professional basketball players that could help any team.

[KGdaBom]

https://thesixersense.com/2018/10/26/philadelphia-76ers-might-still-jimmy-butler-trade-talks/

According to Shams, however, the Wolves are surveying the market for potential suitors. He mentions two teams as potential destinations: the Miami Heat, who the Wolves have negotiated with in the past, and the Philadelphia 76ers.

While Shams doesn’t mention the Sixers as a team currently pursuing Butler, he does note that other teams have identified the Sixers as a team that could get involved.

There are also the logistics of a potential trade. If the Wolves want proven talent, elite prospects and high-end draft picks, the Sixers would almost need to clean house. Robert Covington, Markelle Fultz and Dario Saric might all be on the move, which is a hefty price tag.

I think Covington needs to be in the deal, but I would doubt Fultz is offered. PHI’s front office bet heavily on Fultz, and he is worth more to them than any other team.

Fultz is no big deal to me. Covington and Saric would be a nice haul. Throw in an FRP in place of Fultz and done deal, but I think we would need to take just a little more salary back.

[Alwaysrightguy]

KAT and Wiggins maybe soft but jimmy is a bitch


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He is being a bich because the charmin twins are not giving effort like they should. Like Shaq said...."pull your panties up". This ain't high school, feelings will get hurt. It's how you respond to the adversity.

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[Jedzz]

Even though I thought Fultz was broken beyond repair I would take the Fultz, Saric, and Covington deal. Fultz has a glimmer of hope.

Fultz seems like a Timberwolves player. Always something wrong with them. Looks really slow or like he's out of gas all the time. But long enough to finish it anyway. I would suggest a diet infusion of blueberries, garlic and carrots if I was a docta. Otherwise if they took that deal I would play Saric and Covington and look to trade Fultz soon after. Don't really need yet another player that needs confidence pampering. I saw a defensive block from him recently and that looks refreshing anyway.

I had never seen a more broken shot from any professional basketball player than I saw from Fultz last year. However, there is no denying he has some skill. He would be a huge reclamation project, but if he can be fixed the payoff would be large. As for the other part of the proposed trade Covington and Saric are both proven professional basketball players that could help any team.

The reclamation effort vs payoff is the question to me. It seems we are constantly trying to nurse talent into something more. Which are great goals for players selected outside the top 2 picks. Inside the top 5, inside the top 2 the cost of these players is maybe too insane to justify reclamation efforts. Which is why I'm not a fan of drafting players that high that need mental development. Let's say you get him to his best as a more consistent 20/5/5 guy. That's a great payoff but you will also end up having to physically pay him like he's someone more capable of a consistant 23/10/10. This team being who they are already pay two talent rich kids like they are triple double gods and yet they are one trick development ponies most of the time. His fans are claiming his coach needs to give him the ball and minutes more when playing well and yes we here the same exact coddling things here. We just need to stop taking on these types. The sad puppy eyes no longer draw me in. In the past I did always look for these risk/payoff players though in hopes that would be what would put the Wolves over the top. The money breaks us however.

[KGdaBom]

Fultz seems like a Timberwolves player. Always something wrong with them. Looks really slow or like he's out of gas all the time. But long enough to finish it anyway. I would suggest a diet infusion of blueberries, garlic and carrots if I was a docta. Otherwise if they took that deal I would play Saric and Covington and look to trade Fultz soon after. Don't really need yet another player that needs confidence pampering. I saw a defensive block from him recently and that looks refreshing anyway.

I had never seen a more broken shot from any professional basketball player than I saw from Fultz last year. However, there is no denying he has some skill. He would be a huge reclamation project, but if he can be fixed the payoff would be large. As for the other part of the proposed trade Covington and Saric are both proven professional basketball players that could help any team.

The reclamation effort vs payoff is the question to me. It seems we are constantly trying to nurse talent into something more. Which are great goals for players selected outside the top 2 picks. Inside the top 5, inside the top 2 the cost of these players is maybe too insane to justify reclamation efforts. Which is why I'm not a fan of drafting players that high that need mental development. Let's say you get him to his best as a more consistent 20/5/5 guy. That's a great payoff but you will also end up having to physically pay him like he's someone more capable of a consistant 23/10/10. This team being who they are already pay two talent rich kids like they are triple double gods and yet they are one trick development ponies most of the time. His fans are claiming his coach needs to give him the ball and minutes more when playing well and yes we here the same exact coddling things here. We just need to stop taking on these types. The sad puppy eyes no longer draw me in. In the past I did always look for these risk/payoff players though in hopes that would be what would put the Wolves over the top. The money breaks us however.

As an overall #1 pick he does have a somewhat large contract. That is why maybe we don't want Fultz.

[minimus]

Glen Taylor has proven himself incredibly incompetent.

Thibs as GM has proven himself incredibly incompetent. Fixed that for you.

[KGdaBom]

Glen Taylor has proven himself incredibly incompetent.

Thibs as GM has proven himself incredibly incompetent. Fixed that for you.

he has proven himself very good in acquiring talent.

[minimus]

Glen Taylor has proven himself incredibly incompetent.

Thibs as GM has proven himself incredibly incompetent. Fixed that for you.

he has proven himself very good in acquiring talent.

Right now he is very good in losing talents.

[TruthSerum]

Thibs as GM has proven himself incredibly incompetent. Fixed that for you.

he has proven himself very good in acquiring talent.

Right now he is very good in losing talents.

Wouldn't that be Glen, also?
You know Thibs would have no problem maxing out Jimmy.

[KGdaBom]

Thibs as GM has proven himself incredibly incompetent. Fixed that for you.

he has proven himself very good in acquiring talent.

Right now he is very good in losing talents.

seriously what is wrong with you. no matter the facts you try to act like they are negative .

[minimus]

he has proven himself very good in acquiring talent.

Right now he is very good in losing talents.

Wouldn't that be Glen, also?
You know Thibs would have no problem maxing out Jimmy.

No, Glen has nothing to do with Butler. It was Thibs incompetence from very beginning which has turned whole franchise into the mess.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2796772-jimmy-butler-rumors-sg-wanted-155-million-contract-before-trade-request