2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[Rookie-Mistake]

He's the oldest prospect of the draft. He is mature. Look at Ball and Edwards.. their teenagers

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[Dewey]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

I think a lot of it does become biased to a degree… But largely driven by the fact our interior defense is horrid and we do have a point guard in DLo and shooting guard potentially in Beasley. We can make an argument for and against all three… As well as the next three or four players down the pecking order

And we don't have a center in Towns?

No “C” in KAT ... but yes, we also have a center ... just tried to suggest it’s easy to sway or be swayed.

[shangrila]

Based more on logic than actual reporting, given Rosas’ tendency to maneuver and swing deals and based on what the team currently has on its roster, I’m absolutely not convinced that Minnesota will be the team picking at No. 1. And even if they do make the pick, it seems like from their decision to do work on all of the top prospects that they may just take the player they think has the best chance of maintaining long-term trade value. After all, Rosas comes from the Houston school of thought, where Daryl Morey tends to evaluate players not only based on what he thinks they can bring to his team, but based on what they could return down the road.

https://theathletic.com/2128239/2020/10/13/lamelo-ball-over-james-wiseman-at-no-1-in-2020-nba-mock-draft-version-8-0/

I don’t see any meaningful reason Ball would hold his value over Wiseman or Edwards beyond potentially being a better player.
There are situations where this could be more applicable, maybe if there’s a gap in viewed potential, usually at a lower pick. A couple years later maybe you can still sell potential, even if there hasn’t been on court success.
We’re talking about the first pick though, and there are going to be expectations right away.

Maybe.

Remember that Wiggins kept his value far longer than he reasonably should have. The rumour that Chicago wanted him straight up for Butler (IIRC) and we turned it down, despite no evidence that Wiggins was or would ever have been the player Butler was, tells me that hype can last for a long time. If the part of the game that got hyped actually translates (i.e. athleticism for Wiggins, passing for Ball) then I could see teams still buying into that even if he's not making strides elsewhere.

[shangrila]

I think a lot of it does become biased to a degree… But largely driven by the fact our interior defense is horrid and we do have a point guard in DLo and shooting guard potentially in Beasley. We can make an argument for and against all three… As well as the next three or four players down the pecking order

And we don't have a center in Towns?

No “C” in KAT ... but yes, we also have a center ... just tried to suggest it’s easy to sway or be swayed.

None of the top guys are a seamless fit realistically. Maybe if Edwards was 6-8 (i.e. a SF) but then you'd really get Wiggins vibes.

It's really a shame that not only did we move up in such a weak draft but absolutely none of the "top" guys fit our need for a 3/4.

[Klomp]

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Just thinking about this again with Obi's name being brought up....

Who are the prospects who worked out the best?
-Steph Curry
-Damian Lillard
-Kemba Walker
-Victor Oladipo
-CJ McCollum

What I'd point to is the small-school guys seemingly worked out. Except for Jimmer (Rui is TBD), everyone else coming from a small school is among the best prospects from the list in the tweet. Small school guys have to work hard to get noticed. It's more than a couple flashy plays or being a one-year wonder. These guys put in the work and had success in college and the NBA because of it.

[KGdaBom]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

IMO it's much more the other way around. There is some rule apparently, that despite us having one of the worst rim defending and rebounding teams in the league, that we can't draft a center. It also seems that we can't draft a PF according to many despite that position being an icy cold void. It's ok if we draft a natural SF and have him play PF (ha ha). Contrary to that thinking I want us to draft a player that can defend the rim and rebound. If being a great perimeter defender is a requirement of this PF let's just draft Okongwu and problem solved. Wiseman just has the higher potential so I prefer him.

[KGdaBom]

He's the oldest prospect of the draft. He is mature. Look at Ball and Edwards.. their teenagers

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Toppin is not the oldest prospect in this draft. Potential first rounder Riller I think is more than a year older.

[Klomp]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

IMO it's much more the other way around. There is some rule apparently, that despite us having one of the worst rim defending and rebounding teams in the league, that we can't draft a center. It also seems that we can't draft a PF according to many despite that position being an icy cold void. It's ok if we draft a natural SF and have him play PF (ha ha). Contrary to that thinking I want us to draft a player that can defend the rim and rebound. If being a great perimeter defender is a requirement of this PF let's just draft Okongwu and problem solved. Wiseman just has the higher potential so I prefer him.

No rules, just common sense when one takes the time to actually understand the system that has been implemented here.

[chaimer]

Good luck defending any legit playoff team with a lockdown trio of Russell, Towns and Toppin. It would be comical thing to see.

[KGdaBom]

I have no idea who the best player will be in this draft. But on this board Wiseman's fans believe he will overcome any potential obstacles and can do basically everything while the rest of the draftees, well mainly Ball and Edwards , have more or lessno chance to improve and their skills are very untranslatable.

IMO it's much more the other way around. There is some rule apparently, that despite us having one of the worst rim defending and rebounding teams in the league, that we can't draft a center. It also seems that we can't draft a PF according to many despite that position being an icy cold void. It's ok if we draft a natural SF and have him play PF (ha ha). Contrary to that thinking I want us to draft a player that can defend the rim and rebound. If being a great perimeter defender is a requirement of this PF let's just draft Okongwu and problem solved. Wiseman just has the higher potential so I prefer him.

No rules, just common sense when one takes the time to actually understand the system that has been implemented here.

If the system requires zero interior defense and rebounding there is no common sense to the system at all. How about getting good basketball players. Do that and the rest will take care of itself.
How about we clone ourselves 10 copies of LeBron James. That would do the trick.

[UnFadeable21]

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If Lamelo played in NCAA, he would of dominated

[shangrila]

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Just thinking about this again with Obi's name being brought up....

Who are the prospects who worked out the best?
-Steph Curry
-Damian Lillard
-Kemba Walker
-Victor Oladipo
-CJ McCollum

What I'd point to is the small-school guys seemingly worked out. Except for Jimmer (Rui is TBD), everyone else coming from a small school is among the best prospects from the list in the tweet. Small school guys have to work hard to get noticed. It's more than a couple flashy plays or being a one-year wonder. These guys put in the work and had success in college and the NBA because of it.

That would point towards Grant Riller then.

[Klomp]

That would point towards Grant Riller then.

Yeah I'd probably be okay with him at 17. Need to do more research on him. It's not just saying take all old small school guys Top 10. But it's saying those that do go that high seem to work out more often than not

[shangrila]

That would point towards Grant Riller then.

Yeah I'd probably be okay with him at 17. Need to do more research on him.

I've been looking into him. He's interesting.

The hard part is trying to simultaneously figure out how much he benefited from the lesser competition while also working out how much his role limited him in areas outside of scoring. For example, how does increased length affect his finishing, his one elite, bankable skill? How much did his offensive scoring load hinder him playing off ball? Can he even do it? And if not, is he anywhere near a good enough passer to actually be a PG, starter or backup? What about the below average defence, is that more mentality or role?

I've seen a lot of mocks recently dropping him into the early 2nd round. I'd snap him up at 33 for sure.

[urinesane]

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If Lamelo played in NCAA, he would of dominated

[UnFadeable21]

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If Lamelo played in NCAA, he would of dominated

Averaged 17-7-7 and won the rookie of the year in a Grown man’s league. Him playing against other teenagers? He dominates.

[Neeva]

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If Lamelo played in NCAA, he would of dominated

Averaged 17-7-7 and won the rookie of the year in a Grown man’s league. Him playing against other teenagers? He dominates.

Of course he would have, especially in the weak pac 12, he would have easily averaged a triple double.

[urinesane]

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If Lamelo played in NCAA, he would of dominated

Averaged 17-7-7 and won the rookie of the year in a Grown man’s league. Him playing against other teenagers? He dominates.

What else did he average?

3pt 25%
fg 37.5%

He averaged 49% fg avg 21.6pts per game in 3 wins and 34% fg avg 15.4pts per game in 9 losses.

Will it be easier for him to score in the NBA or more difficult? I wonder how many times those chest passes he calls a jumpshot will get stuffed next season...

I'm interested in players who will help the Wolves win. How does LaMelo help this team win exactly?

If people wanted to move on from Rubio, why would they be excited about Ball?

[UnFadeable21]

Averaged 17-7-7 and won the rookie of the year in a Grown man’s league. Him playing against other teenagers? He dominates.

What else did he average?

3pt 25%
fg 37.5%

He averaged 49% fg avg 21.6pts per game in 3 wins and 34% fg avg 15.4pts per game in 9 losses.

Will it be easier for him to score in the NBA or more difficult? I wonder how many times those chest passes he calls a jumpshot will get stuffed next season...

I'm interested in players who will help the Wolves win. How does LaMelo help this team win exactly?

If people wanted to move on from Rubio, why would they be excited about Ball?

Easy answer:

Because if Rubio was 6’7, could make layups and dunk. Do you know how much better Ricky would be?

[Neeva]

Averaged 17-7-7 and won the rookie of the year in a Grown man’s league. Him playing against other teenagers? He dominates.

What else did he average?

3pt 25%
fg 37.5%

He averaged 49% fg avg 21.6pts per game in 3 wins and 34% fg avg 15.4pts per game in 9 losses.

Will it be easier for him to score in the NBA or more difficult? I wonder how many times those chest passes he calls a jumpshot will get stuffed next season...

I'm interested in players who will help the Wolves win. How does LaMelo help this team win exactly?

If people wanted to move on from Rubio, why would they be excited about Ball?

Easy answer:

Because if Rubio was 6’7, could make layups and dunk. Do you know how much better Ricky would be?

I am new to the wolves fan base was ricky good defensively at 19? Some act like Ball won’t improve there.