The Andrew Wiggins Thread

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1381 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 8:34 pm

packforfreedom wrote: Can't have three Zachs or three Wiggins'

To be determined. It seems to be more of a moral quandary than a technical hang-up:

http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-attempt-to-clone-extinct-ice-age-lion-095732582.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2016/02/21/should-we-clone-john-lennon-from-his-hair-and-teeth-or-let-it-be/#7a4b265871bf

Ferulci · Post #1382 » by **Ferulci** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 8:42 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:It shouldnt come as a surprise.

With lavine improving and kat being kat, wiggs has been the guy getting picked on by media and fans. I dont think he is bothered by it though, hes a kid that gets more enjoyment from his teammates and friends successes than his own. Unfortunately, that isnt the personality trait that people want in their stars these days and it makes him an easy target.

+ Jabari that is playing well right now and people are hating on Wiggins like there is no tomorrow. While he has lots of flaws (he gets lost too often on the defensive end and leaves his guy too open), the narrative around him is ridiculous. When was the last time than a sophomore SG has looked this good ? Since Wade, I cant recall a SG that did score 20 + points in his 2nd year.
If he has the work ethic, ballhandling and shooting will improve (like it happened for Kawhi, Derozan, George or Wall in last few years).

Zeitgeister · Post #1383 » by **Zeitgeister** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 9:18 pm

Wiggins is more of a SF, he's played the majority of his minutes there and that should only continue as he gets stronger. Scoring 20+ points in of itself is not particularly notable, especially since his efficiency is hovering around league average. He's also well below average at a number of other key areas. I think Wiggins will end up being a good scorer though, I'm just not sure about everything else. He has a suspect motor (which has been the case since high school) and his non-scoring around the rim skillset is pretty lacking, that's a bit worrisome to me.

tcheco · Post #1384 » by **tcheco** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 9:34 pm

So, didn't have the time to watch wiggins this year, but more often than not he lacks rebounds and assists in his boxscore(saw a 6 assists game last week), and with his FG per gama decreasing, It looks bad.

Is he lazy? everyone expected him to be an amazing defender, where did it go?

jpatrick · Post #1385 » by **jpatrick** » Mon Mar 7, 2016 11:05 pm

Wiggins is scaring me a little. Between his lack of outside shooting, lacking in all categories except points, and the rumors he's been lazy about his workouts, I just hope his ceiling doesn't become Derozan/Rudy Gay.

Remember, there was a time people thought Tyreke Evans was the next superstar because he put up 20/5/5 as a rookie, and it turns out he's just a guy who puts up numbers on a bad team.

I don't think Wiggins is in that boat yet, but he's got to learn to do things that help the team win; i.e. defense, assists, boards, floor spacing, etc.

southern wolf · Post #1386 » by **southern wolf** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 12:27 am

jpatrick wrote:Wiggins is scaring me a little. Between his lack of outside shooting, lacking in all categories except points, and the rumors he's been lazy about his workouts, I just hope his ceiling doesn't become Derozan/Rudy Gay.

Remember, there was a time people thought Tyreke Evans was the next superstar because he put up 20/5/5 as a rookie, and it turns out he's just a guy who puts up numbers on a bad team.

I don't think Wiggins is in that boat yet, but he's got to learn to do things that help the team win; i.e. defense, assists, boards, floor spacing, etc.

Derozan is a good player and I don't think he's reached his ceiling yet either. I think the all round game will come with Wiggins, he's been better in the second half of the season, he's just got to get stronger. Outside shooting is something he's going to have to work his arse off with in the summer.

vagelis · Post #1387 » by **vagelis** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 3:35 am

He has the tools to score 30 ppg.
The thing is that he has not the mentality and character to demand the ball in every posession like Kobe Bryant and other big scorers do.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1388 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 4:18 am

vagelis wrote:He has the tools to score 30 ppg.
The thing is that he has not the mentality and character to demand the ball in every posession like Kobe Bryant and other big scorers do.

He doesn't have Kobe's skills. Bryant doesn't dribble the ball off his foot out of bounds and he doesn't have stone hands. If Wiggins is our 30 ppg scorer over Towns then we lost big time.

vagelis · Post #1389 » by **vagelis** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 4:38 am

He is 6.8 and Kobe is 6.6.
It is logic that Bryant has better skills.
But dont forget that he is 21 and develops his game every day.
Wiggins and Towns can both score many points.
Shaqeel and Bryant scored both 30 ppg in a winning team

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1390 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 4:42 am

vagelis wrote:He is 6.8 and Kobe is 6.6.
It is logic that Bryant has better skills.
But dont forget that he is 21 and develops his game every day.
Wiggins and Towns can both score many points.
Shaqeel and Bryant scored both 30 ppg in a winning team

What the hell is that?

and he didn't improve his weaknesses from rookie to sophomore year.

vagelis · Post #1391 » by **vagelis** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 4:49 am

This is their height.
And he did improve his weaknesses.
He dribbles better, he runs the floor in open court, he goes to one foot jumps.
He scores 21 ppg and he is 21.
Wake up man he is a next star of nba

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1392 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 4:57 am

vagelis wrote:This is their height.
And he did improve his weaknesses.
He dribbles better, he runs the floor in open court, he goes to one foot jumps.
He scores 21 ppg and he is 21.
Wake up man he is a next star of nba

T-mac was 6'9-6'10 and didn't dribble ball off this foot.

Again Wiggins is a poor ballhandler. Jabari Parker (a PF) is twice better than him in this regard. Wiggins didn't improve on his weaknesses. I'm not saying he's a scrub, but nothing is really impressive outside of physical tools, plus bad advanced numbers picture an empty stats guy. He's got potential though and is worth to be kept around.

NikolaPekovic · Post #1393 » by **NikolaPekovic** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:02 am

People are way too hard on Wiggins man. People like to put a ceiling on his potential by comparing him to guys like Kawhi or PG, even tho at this point in their careers, they were still in college!

And Derozan comparisons just make me laugh. They're simply disrespectful to Wiggins' potential.

In a few years, hes going to put up something like 27/7/5 on a nightly basis and you will all be on his nutz again. Just enjoy the ride and stop critiquing every step of the way.

Zeitgeister · Post #1394 » by **Zeitgeister** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:31 am

Derozan comps are not what I'd consider his upside but rather the most realistic outcome, which is really what matters the most because I would say it's extremely rare to reach your ceiling. Wiggins will impact the game slightly different than Derozan, he'll probably be a better scorer but he I'm not sure he'll have the passing ability that Derozan has.

You also are acting like a ceiling of Kawhi or PG would be a bad thing. Kawhi in particular is awesome, a top 5 player in the league.

Why would Wiggins suddenly nearly double his rebounding production? Andrew is probably in his athletic prime right now, why would he suddenly double it?

Also, 5 assists a game would require him to improve his passing significantly. That would be more than double his current assist production. He would have to develop tremendous passing skills which he currently has not shown. I'm not saying that's impossible but it doesn't seem likely.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1395 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:46 am

Zeitgeister wrote:Derozan comps are not what I'd consider his upside but rather the most realistic outcome, which is really what matters the most because I would say it's extremely rare to reach your ceiling. Wiggins will impact the game slightly different than Derozan, he'll probably be a better scorer but he I'm not sure he'll have the passing ability that Derozan has.

You also are acting like a ceiling of Kawhi or PG would be a bad thing. Kawhi in particular is awesome, a top 5 player in the league.

Why would Wiggins suddenly nearly double his rebounding production? Andrew is probably in his athletic prime right now, why would he suddenly double it?

Also, 5 assists a game would require him to improve his passing significantly. That would be more than double his current assist production. He would have to develop tremendous passing skills which he currently has not shown. I'm not saying that's impossible but it doesn't seem likely.

Damn you with your realistic takes! Let these people dream.

Post #1396 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:14 pm

I don't think we Wiggins to average 25 ppg, what we need is him to live up to his defensive potential. Offensively give me 22-23 ppg on a .55 TS combined with a good to great defensive play and that's a perennial all-star and a great fit with Towns.

minimus · Post #1397 » by **minimus** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:40 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I don't think we Wiggins to average 25 ppg, what we need is him to live up to his defensive potential. Offensively give me 22-23 ppg on a .55 TS combined with a good to great defensive play and that's a perennial all-star and a great fit with Towns.

Yes, it is not about high reel plays, just solid all around effort: passing, rebounding, team defense. I believe that we less workload in offense he can concentrate on other things. And I hope he has right personality to be second, maybe even third star in our team. Like Igoudala for example.

Post #1398 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 1:49 pm

I don't want him to be a third star, but even Paul George doesn't average 25 ppg. He could be one of the top 2-3 wings in the league and not average 25 ppg.

Ferulci · Post #1399 » by **Ferulci** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 2:59 pm

Zeitgeister wrote:Why would Wiggins suddenly nearly double his rebounding production? Andrew is probably in his athletic prime right now, why would he suddenly double it?

Am I the only one to think that Wiggins rebounding is a product of the system ? After a shot and when the possession starts, he's most of the time the furthest from the basket and the guy who's charged to run the floor while other crashes the board.
The classic scheme is 1. get the rebound 2. give the ball to Rubio whenever he is 3. Rubio looks if the transition offense is possible 4. It's not (since the scheme leaves time to the defense to recover) and Rubio starts the halfcourt offense.

Post #1400 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Mar 8, 2016 3:10 pm

Zeitgeister wrote:Derozan comps are not what I'd consider his upside but rather the most realistic outcome, which is really what matters the most because I would say it's extremely rare to reach your ceiling. Wiggins will impact the game slightly different than Derozan, he'll probably be a better scorer but he I'm not sure he'll have the passing ability that Derozan has.

You also are acting like a ceiling of Kawhi or PG would be a bad thing. Kawhi in particular is awesome, a top 5 player in the league.

Why would Wiggins suddenly nearly double his rebounding production? Andrew is probably in his athletic prime right now, why would he suddenly double it?

Also, 5 assists a game would require him to improve his passing significantly. That would be more than double his current assist production. He would have to develop tremendous passing skills which he currently has not shown. I'm not saying that's impossible but it doesn't seem likely.

Rebounding is not about athletic ability. It's about desire, timing, boxing out, and putting yourself in a position to rebound. Kevin Love has proven that. Rubio, too. I'm not saying I would expect Wiggins to double his rebounding but he can definitely improve and be a better rebounder later in his career when he is (presumably) smarter and stronger.