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younggunsmn wrote:I also like Theo Maledon @ 17. He has a tremendous first step, I think his quickness will play well in the NBA, he looks like a guy who can get to the rim and draw - kick, which is Russell's big weakness.
KGdaBom wrote:Klomp wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Every report I've read has him as an excellent perimeter defender. You have just decided for some reason I can't fathom that he can't defend the perimeter. What about him gives you this impression. He's very quick and very agile/mobile. I think those bode well for his perimeter defense. He's tall enough, massive enough and strong enough to guard the Giannises of the league. I don't see how you can watch him play and think he's not mobile enough. Mobility is one of his greatest assets.
I'm going to be so bummed when we pass on him in the draft.
Personally, while I agree that he has good quickness and mobility for a big man, I don't think that necessarily translates to "he's a good perimeter defender." I just don't think he has it to the level that's needed to defend on the perimeter on every possession, and that's what is essentially asked of who plays the 4 (or whatever you want to call it) in Minnesota. I personally see more quickness and mobility from Precious Achiuwa that is translatable to being a good perimeter defender, and would draft him to be our PF before drafting Okongwu to be our PF.
You have your right to be wrong.
I'm going to be so bummed when the Wolves pass on Okongwu.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Jedzz wrote:What is the worst pick they could end up with? Is it 4th or 5th?
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Jedzz wrote:Anyone have a clue how that works?
If even the 14th seed has a slim percentage chance at #1 overall, then every team in the 14 should have a chance at any pick right? There is something I don't understand there.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
ok. thank you so much. you just unraveled my greatest mystery.Klomp wrote:Jedzz wrote:Anyone have a clue how that works?
If even the 14th seed has a slim percentage chance at #1 overall, then every team in the 14 should have a chance at any pick right? There is something I don't understand there.
There's a lottery draw for the first 4 picks, and the teams remaining get slotted from 5 through 14 by order of last season's record.
Jedzz wrote:ok. thank you so much. you just unraveled my greatest mystery.Klomp wrote:Jedzz wrote:Anyone have a clue how that works?
If even the 14th seed has a slim percentage chance at #1 overall, then every team in the 14 should have a chance at any pick right? There is something I don't understand there.
There's a lottery draw for the first 4 picks, and the teams remaining get slotted from 5 through 14 by order of last season's record.
So even if the 11,12,13,14 seeds get 1,2,3,4 then War/Cavs/Wolves get 5,6,7 at worst. Got it.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
KGdaBom wrote:Is Okongwu a lot like Alonzo Mourning? Coming into the league Zo was 6'10" 261 OK 6'9" 245. Both sensational shot blockers. Both very strong, quick, fast and agile big men. They called Zo a Center, but to me he played more like a PF. He developed a decent outside shot. I don't mind the Bam Adebayo comps, but I kind of like a Zo Mourning comp better. Klomp I'm sure you'll tell me how Zo couldn't succeed in today's NBA because it's not our father's NBA any more. I personally think Zo would be very successful in today's NBA for that very reason.
Klomp wrote:For the record, I think Okongwu will be a good player. My whole argument is that he would be a C in this system and not a PF.
tsherkin wrote:The important thing to take away here is that Klomp is wrong.
Esohny wrote:Why are you asking Klomp? "He's" actually a bot that posts random blurbs from a database.
Klomp wrote:I'm putting the tired in retired mod at the moment
Klomp wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Is Okongwu a lot like Alonzo Mourning? Coming into the league Zo was 6'10" 261 OK 6'9" 245. Both sensational shot blockers. Both very strong, quick, fast and agile big men. They called Zo a Center, but to me he played more like a PF. He developed a decent outside shot. I don't mind the Bam Adebayo comps, but I kind of like a Zo Mourning comp better. Klomp I'm sure you'll tell me how Zo couldn't succeed in today's NBA because it's not our father's NBA any more. I personally think Zo would be very successful in today's NBA for that very reason.Klomp wrote:For the record, I think Okongwu will be a good player. My whole argument is that he would be a C in this system and not a PF.
KGdaBom wrote:Klomp wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Is Okongwu a lot like Alonzo Mourning? Coming into the league Zo was 6'10" 261 OK 6'9" 245. Both sensational shot blockers. Both very strong, quick, fast and agile big men. They called Zo a Center, but to me he played more like a PF. He developed a decent outside shot. I don't mind the Bam Adebayo comps, but I kind of like a Zo Mourning comp better. Klomp I'm sure you'll tell me how Zo couldn't succeed in today's NBA because it's not our father's NBA any more. I personally think Zo would be very successful in today's NBA for that very reason.Klomp wrote:For the record, I think Okongwu will be a good player. My whole argument is that he would be a C in this system and not a PF.
I sure see him as a PF. What do you think about my comparison to Zo?
KGdaBom wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Klomp wrote:
I sure see him as a PF. What do you think about my comparison to Zo?
Reply to my own question. Zo is a bit bigger and stronger. So he worked at Center despite being a little short. I think PF is the position that OK will have to play.
shangrila wrote:KGdaBom wrote:KGdaBom wrote:I sure see him as a PF. What do you think about my comparison to Zo?
Reply to my own question. Zo is a bit bigger and stronger. So he worked at Center despite being a little short. I think PF is the position that OK will have to play.
I know you're going to hate this, but what if Okongwu ends up being a Taj Gibson level player?
minimus wrote:I was sceptical about Haliburton but I am wondering if low point release actually helps players to translate his jumpshot in NBA. It is easier to shoot from distance comparing to high release shot. E.g., Culver has serious struggles while Haliburton shot might work.
Dewey wrote:minimus wrote:I was sceptical about Haliburton but I am wondering if low point release actually helps players to translate his jumpshot in NBA. It is easier to shoot from distance comparing to high release shot. E.g., Culver has serious struggles while Haliburton shot might work.
I'm skepical of any player that cannot effectively shoot coming into the draft ... sitting on yet another player (Rubio, Okogie, Culver) thinking we can develop them while trying to justify their defense for pt is not a good option. It's the NBA and a NBA player (19-23 years old) should be expected to have the skills to put the ball in the basket. If we cannot identify/draft a triple-threat player in the lottery, we gotta consider taking our clown show and joining the circus.
minimus wrote:Dewey wrote:minimus wrote:I was sceptical about Haliburton but I am wondering if low point release actually helps players to translate his jumpshot in NBA. It is easier to shoot from distance comparing to high release shot. E.g., Culver has serious struggles while Haliburton shot might work.
I'm skepical of any player that cannot effectively shoot coming into the draft ... sitting on yet another player (Rubio, Okogie, Culver) thinking we can develop them while trying to justify their defense for pt is not a good option. It's the NBA and a NBA player (19-23 years old) should be expected to have the skills to put the ball in the basket. If we cannot identify/draft a triple-threat player in the lottery, we gotta consider taking our clown show and joining the circus.
You have missed the point. One recommendation of shooting coaches to increase shooting range is lower point release...
minimus wrote:Dewey wrote:minimus wrote:I was sceptical about Haliburton but I am wondering if low point release actually helps players to translate his jumpshot in NBA. It is easier to shoot from distance comparing to high release shot. E.g., Culver has serious struggles while Haliburton shot might work.
I'm skepical of any player that cannot effectively shoot coming into the draft ... sitting on yet another player (Rubio, Okogie, Culver) thinking we can develop them while trying to justify their defense for pt is not a good option. It's the NBA and a NBA player (19-23 years old) should be expected to have the skills to put the ball in the basket. If we cannot identify/draft a triple-threat player in the lottery, we gotta consider taking our clown show and joining the circus.
You have missed the point. One recommendation of shooting coaches to increase shooting range is lower point release...
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