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**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two**

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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1381 » by m2002brian » Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:14 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Could be, but if it was going to change, it probably should have happened by now.

Maybe, but remember that Towns has seen nothing but constantly changing coaches and young teammates his whole career here. It’s been less than two years since bringing in Gobert that caused a massive reprioritization of KAT’s play on both sides of the ball. He also has had to change his game from being the #1 option to helping Rudy and Ant get theirs. Heck, it’s only been 16 months since DLo left. And on top of this, he’s had two longterm injuries, and this season when he got back, he was asked to play more like Naz Reid to try to maintain chemistry.

I am very curious what we might see from KAT next season with a full off-season with team stability. Can Finch give him a constant role that would help him feel more comfortable? And will that change what we see from Towns? I feel like we say this every year, but next season is a big year for KAT.



Says a lot when you ask your max player to play more like a bench player. Lol
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1382 » by Klomp » Thu Jun 20, 2024 5:29 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Could be, but if it was going to change, it probably should have happened by now.

Maybe, but remember that Towns has seen nothing but constantly changing coaches and young teammates his whole career here. It’s been less than two years since bringing in Gobert that caused a massive reprioritization of KAT’s play on both sides of the ball. He also has had to change his game from being the #1 option to helping Rudy and Ant get theirs. Heck, it’s only been 16 months since DLo left. And on top of this, he’s had two longterm injuries, and this season when he got back, he was asked to play more like Naz Reid to try to maintain chemistry.

I am very curious what we might see from KAT next season with a full off-season with team stability. Can Finch give him a constant role that would help him feel more comfortable? And will that change what we see from Towns? I feel like we say this every year, but next season is a big year for KAT.



Says a lot when you ask your max player to play more like a bench player. Lol

I don't think it's "asking him to play like a bench player". Playing like Naz Reid is not playing like a bench player. Unselfishness is not limited to just bench players. Moving without the ball is not playing like a bench player.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1383 » by shrink » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:08 pm

I have been meaning to write a little something about Towns super-max extension. While public perception is that this is an overpay, I disagree, and I like it on principle. Hear me out.

In 1997, when Glen Taylor paid a 21-year old Garnett a whopping $126 mil extension, it shook the other owners, who demanded that the league install max contract rules, based on a percentage of the salary cap. If a kid like KG got paid like this, other owners feared that their stars would demand similar contracts. It set a tentpole for their beliefs, but the important part is that Garnett was so exceptional, he was worth that deal - and likely more!

Flash forward to today. We have maybe 50 players in the NBA making max deals. Why? Because without exceptional players, and more than one of them, teams just don’t have enough talent to win, and draw fans. It is these top 50 players that drive franchise success, not the average or even good players. I believe nearly all max deal players are underpaid, and the evidence supports it.

We tend to use tentpole players like Jokic as a tentpole. If a team pays a max or supermax salary, we look at other players making the same amount, and think “that’s a lot of money for less production!” That is true, but a better way to look at it is, “my max player is underpaid, and a good deal .. Jokic is underpaid too, and an even better deal.” Imagine I was selling cars but the highest price I could offer was $10k. If Denver got there first and bought the Rolls Royce, that doesn’t mean you don’t spend your $10k to get the Audi.

Evidence over the last few years supports this as well. When we looked at players like Westbrook and Harden, we said, “they are so overpaid, they are the worst contracts in the league and untradeable, without giving up picks!” Time and again, this perception is wrong. In the real world, not only do these players get traded, and they bring back positive returns.

I think there is a fallacy that when Towns starts his super-max deal, he becomes a bad contract. No, he is an expensive, highly-skilled player. A player doesn’t even qualify for a supermax without being very good. A supermax player does not need to be a #1 option either for the deal to be worthwhile, and we are fortunate to have such a talented player be willing to sacrifice, and support a rising star, rather than just demand a trade, or walk for nothing. In the playoffs, we faced three teams with elite max players, and other maxes in support. We succeeded because our #2 and #3 maxes generally outplayed theirs.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1384 » by minimus » Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:25 pm

Read on Twitter


Usually, the most evident issues are easier to fix. If Towns can avoid stupid offensive fouls he will be worth every cent of his massive contract
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1385 » by Colbinii » Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:49 pm

minimus wrote:
Read on Twitter


Usually, the most evident issues are easier to fix. If Towns can avoid stupid offensive fouls he will be worth every cent of his massive contract


Accounting only for individual scoring:

Towns has .75 PP Drive
Embiid has .95 PP Drive
Edwards has .70 PP Drive
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1386 » by TimberKat » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:29 pm

For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1387 » by TimberKat » Mon Jun 24, 2024 4:59 pm

Scottie Barnes is now on a 54mil max. Town's contract is looking better by the days. In a couple years, it will look very reasonable
He still need to play better, especially in playoffs.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1388 » by BlacJacMac » Mon Jun 24, 2024 5:05 pm

TimberKat wrote:Scottie Barnes is now on a 54mil max. Town's contract is looking better by the days. In a couple years, it will look very reasonable
He still need to play better, especially in playoffs.


Its 45M.

He only gets 54M if he makes All-NBA. And if that happens, he's worth it.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1389 » by frankenwolf » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:59 pm

TimberKat wrote:For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?


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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1390 » by TimberKat » Mon Jun 24, 2024 8:27 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
TimberKat wrote:Scottie Barnes is now on a 54mil max. Town's contract is looking better by the days. In a couple years, it will look very reasonable
He still need to play better, especially in playoffs.


Its 45M.

He only gets 54M if he makes All-NBA. And if that happens, he's worth it.

That makes more sense. I didn't read the details. Although, he could end up like Towns, barely make 3rd team next year (which I still don't think he has a chance).
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1391 » by minimus » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:17 am

TimberKat wrote:For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?


Read on Twitter


Take it with grain of salt
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1392 » by frankenwolf » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:27 pm

minimus wrote:
TimberKat wrote:For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?


Read on Twitter


Take it with grain of salt


Well, it depends on what kind of team you are building. Would he fit in place of KAT on the Timberwolves? How will the team react to him and how will he react to the team? I like Paul as a player, but I also like KAT. For this version of the Timberwolves, I would keep KAT.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1393 » by minimus » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:42 pm

frankenwolf wrote:
minimus wrote:
TimberKat wrote:For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?


Read on Twitter


Take it with grain of salt


Well, it depends on what kind of team you are building. Would he fit in place of KAT on the Timberwolves? How will the team react to him and how will he react to the team? I like Paul as a player, but I also like KAT. For this version of the Timberwolves, I would keep KAT.


Damn, somehow I have missed that PG13 is already 34yo...
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1394 » by frankenwolf » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:49 pm

minimus wrote:
frankenwolf wrote:
minimus wrote:
Read on Twitter


Take it with grain of salt


Well, it depends on what kind of team you are building. Would he fit in place of KAT on the Timberwolves? How will the team react to him and how will he react to the team? I like Paul as a player, but I also like KAT. For this version of the Timberwolves, I would keep KAT.


Damn, somehow I have missed that PG13 is already 34yo...


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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1395 » by shrink » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:19 pm

minimus wrote:Damn, somehow I have missed that PG13 is already 34yo...

Yes, and while he was healthy last year, the previous four seasons he played in 56, 31, 54, and 48 games, He’s going to want another huge deal with multiple years, and we don’t know that he even wants to be in MIN.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1396 » by Colbinii » Tue Jun 25, 2024 7:30 pm

TimberKat wrote:For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?


For 1 year or the next 4 years?
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1397 » by TimberKat » Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:01 pm

Colbinii wrote:
TimberKat wrote:For the same money, do you want PG13 or Towns?


For 1 year or the next 4 years?

It's a good question. How about for two years.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1398 » by minimus » Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:35 am

I wonder if TSJ immediately becomes Towns best option to throw all kind of passes:

- rebound and fastbreak pass

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- skip pass, cross court
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**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1399 » by minimus » Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:45 am

Also I wouldn't be surprised if Rob and TSJ development will trigger comeback of Towns postups, and faceup actions from midrange and at elbow

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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#1400 » by minimus » Wed Jul 17, 2024 2:04 pm

It feels like first offseason for Towns when he wont be bothered: no national team games, no trade rumours, no injuries, no change of position, same coach, same core.

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