Trade Ideas thread

shrink · Post #141 » by **shrink** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 5:27 am

LAL would have to do better than the late HOU 1st.

Deng has been pretty bad this season, and while you could say that so,e of it is because the Lakers used him poorly, i think it's hard to imagine he's going to improve in those last years of his contract, and he could be much worse.

I also don't put a lot of value on moving Aldrich. He has certainly umder-performed, but part of that is the shift in the nba to playing small. However, just because many teams play small does not mean all do, and teams can't just abandon having a big banger on the bench when they face other teams that go big. Plus he expires.

If we are using cap space in that way, I would prefer getting a first for "trading" cap space to POR for one of their firsts. Or UTA desperately needs cap space - perhaps we could make a deal with them.

minimus · Post #142 » by **minimus** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 5:57 am

shrink wrote:If we are using cap space in that way, I would prefer getting a first for "trading" cap space to POR for one of their firsts. Or UTA desperately needs cap space - perhaps we could make a deal with them.

Agree. I'd trade Aldrich for Crabbe and POR 1st round pick. Rabb, Hartenstein, OG Anunoby, Bridges can be still available. Crabbe is good fit, while his big contract will be a bit compensated by rookie contract. Draft Anunoby. Make offer to JaMychal Green. Trade our top10 pick, LaVine, Dunn, Payne for Butler, Portis

KAT/Dieng/Portis
Green/Bjelica/Anunoby
Butler/Wiggins/Anunoby
Wiggins/Crabbe/
Rubio/Jones

I'd be even ok with Turner, if we get #15 pick for Aldrich

JDthrillinger · Post #143 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 11:43 am

Trade our 1st for Kenneth Faried. Start him with Towns and move Dieng to bench role although give both Faried & Gorgui 25-20 min per game. Brings much needed toughness, rebounding, & athleticism to our first unit. Thibodeau has coached him from team USA and speaks highly. Denver has so many pieces/depth that he has become expendable. Sign either Iguodala(2 years 38 mill), PJ Tucker(2 years 34 mill), Andre Roberson(4 years 40 mill), Sefolosha(2 years 28 mill), or Tony Allen (2 years 28 mill)

Lineup with minutes:
Rubio(33)/Dunn(15)/Tyus(0)
Iguodala(15)/Lavine(33)/Rush(0)
Wiggins(36)/Iguodala(12)
Faried(25)/Bjelica(15)/Dieng(8)
Towns(36)/Dieng(12)/Aldrich(0)

This lineup will get us back in the playoffs and is realistic to achieve

Crazy-Canuck · Post #144 » by **Crazy-Canuck** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 12:56 pm

JDthrillinger wrote:Trade our 1st for Kenneth Faried. Start him with Towns and move Dieng to bench role although give both Faried & Gorgui 25-20 min per game. Brings much needed toughness, rebounding, & athleticism to our first unit. Thibodeau has coached him from team USA and speaks highly. Denver has so many pieces/depth that he has become expendable. Sign either Iguodala(2 years 38 mill), PJ Tucker(2 years 34 mill), Andre Roberson(4 years 40 mill), Sefolosha(2 years 28 mill), or Tony Allen (2 years 28 mill)

Lineup with minutes:
Rubio(33)/Dunn(15)/Tyus(0)
Iguodala(15)/Lavine(33)/Rush(0)
Wiggins(36)/Iguodala(12)
Faried(25)/Bjelica(15)/Dieng(8)
Towns(36)/Dieng(12)/Aldrich(0)

This lineup will get us back in the playoffs and is realistic to achieve

Faried isn't getting a lottery round pick from anyone. He might not even get a first round pick in return.

andyhop · Post #145 » by **andyhop** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:01 pm

Faried is a bottom 5 defender at his position we have enough of them already without adding another

JDthrillinger · Post #146 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:03 pm

Disagree 1,000%

JDthrillinger · Post #147 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:05 pm

We are likely picking 8th or 9th. Stop with the talk of Isaac, he's gone top 6. We need to win next year without mortgaging the future. Faried is on a reasonable contract and brings much needed toughness to our roster. We are severely lacking a physical, physically strong, tough player like Faried

Post #148 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:16 pm

JDthrillinger wrote:We are likely picking 8th or 9th. Stop with the talk of Isaac, he's gone top 6. We need to win next year without mortgaging the future. Faried is on a reasonable contract and brings much needed toughness to our roster. We are severely lacking a physical, physically strong, tough player like Faried

Both DX and Chad Ford have Isaac going later than our pick, and depending on teams different positional needs I think that's reasonable. I don't see any reason we shouldn't be able to discuss the possibility he's available.

TheProdigy · Post #149 » by **TheProdigy** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:20 pm

JDthrillinger wrote:We are likely picking 8th or 9th. Stop with the talk of Isaac, he's gone top 6. We need to win next year without mortgaging the future. Faried is on a reasonable contract and brings much needed toughness to our roster. We are severely lacking a physical, physically strong, tough player like Faried

I like the idea of moving the pick for an established player, just not for Faried. He doesn't space the floor and his defensive issues are well documented.

JDthrillinger · Post #150 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:21 pm

If he were to fall, I'd probably take him. But if not then I trade the pick. He won't be able to realistically help us for a few more years but I do like his longterm potential. We need 2 impact players and rather then signing 2 to ridiculous contracts I figured we find 1 on a reasonable contract and trade our pick for them. Faried was my target there. I'm not interested in paying J Green 20 mill + a wing 18-20mill + extending Wiggins, Lavine, & KAT next year. We have to keep the young guys, and work around the cap in a smart way to build. By adding veterans on short term deals we can expedite the growth of our young core while keeping them happy & wanting to stay. If we plan on starting or playing a 19 year old from the draft big minutes then we won't make the playoffs again and the young guys start exploring options outside of MN.

JDthrillinger · Post #151 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:23 pm

DaKidKG wrote:
JDthrillinger wrote:We are likely picking 8th or 9th. Stop with the talk of Isaac, he's gone top 6. We need to win next year without mortgaging the future. Faried is on a reasonable contract and brings much needed toughness to our roster. We are severely lacking a physical, physically strong, tough player like Faried

I like the idea of moving the pick for an established player, just not for Faried. He doesn't space the floor and his defensive issues are well documented.

Who's a realistic option you would target? I'm open to suggestions. Faried seemed very realistic. Aminu I'd consider also but I don't feel confident with him starting next to KAT as my frontline.

rugbyrugger23 · Post #152 » by **rugbyrugger23** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:27 pm

JDthrillinger wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:
JDthrillinger wrote:We are likely picking 8th or 9th. Stop with the talk of Isaac, he's gone top 6. We need to win next year without mortgaging the future. Faried is on a reasonable contract and brings much needed toughness to our roster. We are severely lacking a physical, physically strong, tough player like Faried

I like the idea of moving the pick for an established player, just not for Faried. He doesn't space the floor and his defensive issues are well documented.

Who's a realistic option you would target? I'm open to suggestions. Faried seemed very realistic. Aminu I'd consider also but I don't feel confident with him starting next to KAT as my frontline.

Favors. May need to wait until Hayward is re-signed. And then hope they like who Wolves drafted. But before, during, and after draft offer #8 for Favors. And if Wolves can get Jazz or GSW 1st in return, all the better.

JDthrillinger · Post #153 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:30 pm

Faried mostly be playing next to KAT & Gorgui who can both spread the floor. Factor in the fact Lavine's shooting prowess return coupled with Ricky's improved shot and think of the rim running opportunities with Rubio finding Faried for ferocious slams. We can't find everything we need in 1 player. Those kind of players are getting max deals. If our top 4 bigs are KAT, Faried, Dieng, & Bjelica then I think we have a GREAT mix of shooting, defense, & toughness covered

JDthrillinger · Post #154 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:32 pm

rugbyrugger23 wrote:
JDthrillinger wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:I like the idea of moving the pick for an established player, just not for Faried. He doesn't space the floor and his defensive issues are well documented.

Who's a realistic option you would target? I'm open to suggestions. Faried seemed very realistic. Aminu I'd consider also but I don't feel confident with him starting next to KAT as my frontline.

Favors. May need to wait until Hayward is re-signed. And then hope they like who Wolves drafted. But before, during, and after draft offer #8 for Favors. And if Wolves can get Jazz or GSW 1st in return, all the better.

I'd take Favors over Faried too. Faried just seemed more realistic. Don't think a 8th or 9th pick would entice the Jazz to move him but we'll see

TheProdigy · Post #155 » by **TheProdigy** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:33 pm

rugbyrugger23 wrote:
JDthrillinger wrote:
DaKidKG wrote:I like the idea of moving the pick for an established player, just not for Faried. He doesn't space the floor and his defensive issues are well documented.

Who's a realistic option you would target? I'm open to suggestions. Faried seemed very realistic. Aminu I'd consider also but I don't feel confident with him starting next to KAT as my frontline.

Favors. May need to wait until Hayward is re-signed. And then hope they like who Wolves drafted. But before, during, and after draft offer #8 for Favors. And if Wolves can get Jazz or GSW 1st in return, all the better.

Agreed 100%. Favors should be our #1 trade target in the offseason.

JDthrillinger · Post #156 » by **JDthrillinger** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:44 pm

Dieng + Pick for Favors might be more realistic unless they are just wanting to shed salary

rugbyrugger23 · Post #157 » by **rugbyrugger23** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:49 pm

I would also look under hood at Bismack and Nogueira. Both are different trade packages.

Both are more centers, but versatile ones. And could fit with towns roaming. Bismack if not being used right and if Thibs thinks he can be reclamation project, he would be a great get.

On the younger side, but Maker. Bucks are starting him now so he may be to valuable to them.

andyhop · Post #158 » by **andyhop** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 2:00 pm

Don't think the Magic would be prepared to give up enough value to move Biyombo's terrible deal

minimus · Post #159 » by **minimus** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 3:15 pm

Instead of trading for Faried I'd rather give same money to JaMychal Green. Favors is injury prone, also he doesn't bring you wins. Dieng has right mentality of role player. I feel like KAT-Dieng-Bjelica is good combination of skills, experience and hustle. The problem is that Bjelica will be on last year of his contract. He is so inconsistent, one day he plays like one of the best backup forwards in the league, then disappears for a few games. I don't know what expect from him next year. Given his injury and the fact that it will be our most important FA summer, I wouldn't wait for Bjelica.

shrink · Post #160 » by **shrink** » Thu Apr 6, 2017 3:23 pm

I am a big fan of Derrick Favors on the Wolves, and have followed him closely. However, after this last season, he is not worth the #8 pick. Favors is risky now, because of his injuries and many missed games, the fact that he hasn't looked right when he has been able to play, and the fact that, even if he turns it around next season, he will be due a big paycheck next summer.

Utah's summer will be fascinating and terrifying. They desperately want to re-sign Gordon Hayward for the max, and George Hill turned down an extension for $27 mil/year to reach free agency, hoping to get near the max and 4 years. They need both players, but it will eat up their payroll. They have also already paid Gobert near the max, and have several good young players poised to get paid in 2018. If they are able to keep Hayward and Hill, they simply won't be able to afford Favors, and they desperately need him. When he has been on the floor with Gobert, Utah is a tremendous defensive team - when they play anyone else, they are simply horrible. So he gives them 26 minutes of good play (when he's healthy), and they struggle when he's off the floor.

I think the correct price for both teams is Dieng and a late first (which we could acquire by taking a bad contract). Dieng's upside isn't close to Favors, but his floor is considerably higher. Dieng checks the boxes that a contending Utah needs. He doesn't get hurt (ever), he can play a lot of minutes, he is good defensively, and his weakness of blocking shots at the rim is negated by Gobert. Best of all, he is a borderline starter big, locked into a deal that Utah could afford for several years. Utah is contending - they need to fill Favors gap with a player, more than they need to wait on a lottery pick.

MIN on the other hand, is in a position to gamble on Favors upside. They have the cap space that Utah lacks. If he can retain his health and his game, MIN may not mind giving him an expensive extension, because they might not have better gambles to spend it on. He has one of the two dozen NBA contracts that could be renegotiated as well, so we might be able to use extra cap space to pay him more up front, and set him on a declining deal in the future.