Ben Simmons Thread (READ FIRST POST)

[IceManBK1]

https://www.talkbasket.net/132449-ben-simmons-reportedly-ready-to-start-season-with-philadelphia-76ers-despite-trade-rumors?utm_campaign=twitter&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Windhorst say 76ers not trading Simmons and he's ready to start the season with the 76ers. Does Rosas have a plan B or plan C?

Go after Turner, Siakam? See if Kings wanna trade either Harrison Barnes or Bagley III? Sign Milsap, RHJ, Biyombo, resign Vanderbilt?

[IceManBK1]

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don't know if this guy is credible. but i can see a 3 way happening b/w Tor, 76ers and Min. Siakam to Philly, Simmons to Min, players and picks to Tor. Come on Rosas, work the phones!

[Dewey]

If Rosas and Finch mutually see Simmons as a worthwhile target, then the 3-way with Toronto seems most fitting as far as Philly goes. I do not know what the Raptors want out of this…

[IceManBK1]

How about a 4 way b/w Ind, Tor, Phil and Min?

Ind Out: Brogdon and Turner and Jeremy Lamb
In: Siakam, Layman, Okogie

Phil Out: Ben Simmons(fillers apply)
In: Brogdon, Jeremy Lamb, 2 future 1sts+1 future 2nd from Min

Tor Out: Siakam(fillers apply)
In: Turner, Beasley

Min Out: Beasley, Layman, Okogie 2 firsts and 1 2nd
In: Simmons

Ind: allstar Siakam will be ideal 4 next to Sabonis
Phil: Gets top 20 PG along with 6th man or starting SG Jeremy Lamb, 2 win now pieces+assets
Tor: Gets good defensive center Turner and 6th man or starting SG Beasley
Min: Gets superstar PF

[IceManBK1]

Min, Tor, Phil 3 way...

Tor Out: Siakam, Dragic
In: Malik Beasley, Drummonds, Layman+2 1sts and 1 2nd from Min

Phil Out: Ben Simmons, Andre Drummonds
In: Siakam, Dragic, Naz Reid Josh Okogie

Min Out: Beasley, Naz Reid Layman, Okogie 2 firsts and 1 2nd
In: Ben Simmons

Dlo/Beverley/Bolmaro
Edwards/Novell/avery bradley(vet min)
McDaniels/Prince/wesley mathews(vet min)
Ben Simmons/Vanderbilt(resigned 3 yrs 12 mil)
Towns/Biyombo(FA signing 2 yr 6 mil)

[jpatrick]

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don't know if this guy is credible. but i can see a 3 way happening b/w Tor, 76ers and Min. Siakam to Philly, Simmons to Min, players and picks to Tor. Come on Rosas, work the phones!

That dude has 37 followers, so probably not reliable. HOWEVER, he is citing to SHAMS article in the Athletic. Shams and Woj are the two most reliable sources out there. I don’t have an Athletic sub so can’t read that article.

[IceManBK1]

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don't know if this guy is credible. but i can see a 3 way happening b/w Tor, 76ers and Min. Siakam to Philly, Simmons to Min, players and picks to Tor. Come on Rosas, work the phones!

That dude has 37 followers, so probably not reliable. HOWEVER, he is citing to SHAMS article in the Athletic. Shams and Woj are the two most reliable sources out there. I don’t have an Athletic sub so can’t read that article.

Per Shams: “Philadelphia has conducted expansive discussions with several teams, including Minnesota and Toronto, but neither a Twolves package nor the Raptors’ proposals have appealed to the 76ers as of yet.”

“all signs continue to point to Simmons’ career in Philly coming to an end.”

individual packages may not intrigue 76ers..it needs to be a 3 day b/w Min, Tor and Philly.

[jpatrick]

I wonder who Philly would want from Toronto. I don’t see the Raptors moving OG. You’d think one of the PGs, most likely Dragic as he doesn’t see long for Toronto but maybe FVV. Siakim could be on the block. But I don’t love the fit in Philly, as I see Tobias Harris’ best position as a PF. Boucher could be in there, as Toronto doesn’t want to pay him.

[Baseline81]

Per Shams Charania:

https://theathletic.com/2789891/2021/08/30/ben-simmons-update-one-on-one-with-liangelo-ball-plus-more-nba-news-and-notes/?source=twitterhq

The 76ers opened up trade conversations around Simmons, the three-time All-Star, in July, but so far their conversations have not reached the cusp of a deal. Philadelphia has conducted expansive discussions with several teams, including Minnesota and Toronto, but neither a Timberwolves package nor the Raptors’ proposals have appealed to the 76ers as of yet. Philadelphia has set a high price threshold for teams to meet in talks for Simmons thus far.

So far, Simmons’ situation remains the same. While the 76ers have told teams they are comfortable bringing Simmons back for the 2021-22 season, rival executives believe it’s only a matter of when — not if — the All-Defensive team stalwart is moved.

For now, all signs continue to point to Simmons’ career in Philadelphia coming to an end.

Simmons was almost moved to the Rockets along with Matisse Thybulle and two first-round picks in the James Harden negotiations, but Houston traded Harden to the Brooklyn Nets. With previous trade talks coming so close to moving Simmons out of Philadelphia — coupled with the comments of Joel Embiid and Doc Rivers to end the 76ers season — the writing appears to be on the wall.

The Timberwolves have been motivated to find a deal for Simmons but would likely require a third team given their asset pool of Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels and D’Angelo Russell might not entice the 76ers.

Philadelphia has its eyes set on Portland All-NBA guard Damian Lillard, sources say, but the Trail Blazers have fully focused on continuing to build around Lillard. As of now, Lillard is continuing to evaluate the Trail Blazers’ present and future and is slated to begin training camp with the organization. In some ways, the 76ers are stuck between deciding whether to make a move now with Simmons — or waiting until a star like Lillard shakes free.

[Domejandro]

It is interesting to me that D’Angelo Russell is mentioned there.

[jpatrick]

I just don’t see Russell going out but, for me, he wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I find Toronto’s name interesting. I know it’s phrased as if they are a Simmons’ suitor but there may not be a roster less constructed for Simmons. Besides Siakim being there, they just drafted a player with essentially the same strengths and weaknesses as Simmons at pick #4. There inclusion indicates to me that they may be willing to be the third team. But is that involvement minor (Dragic) or more major (FVV or Siakim)?

[SO_MONEY]

I just don’t see Russell going out but, for me, he wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I find Toronto’s name interesting. I know it’s phrased as if they are a Simmons’ suitor but there may not be a roster less constructed for Simmons. Besides Siakim being there, they just drafted a player with essentially the same strengths and weaknesses as Simmons at pick #4. There inclusion indicates to me that they may be willing to be the third team. But is that involvement minor (Dragic) or more major (FVV or Siakim)?

Minnesota isn't trading Russell and creating a massive hole at PG. I don't see McDaniels being offered either. Toronto makes a good 3rd team though.

[Macwolf527]

I just don’t see Russell going out but, for me, he wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I find Toronto’s name interesting. I know it’s phrased as if they are a Simmons’ suitor but there may not be a roster less constructed for Simmons. Besides Siakim being there, they just drafted a player with essentially the same strengths and weaknesses as Simmons at pick #4. There inclusion indicates to me that they may be willing to be the third team. But is that involvement minor (Dragic) or more major (FVV or Siakim)?

I’m glad to see someone else express this thought. Simmons makes no sense on Toronto, as it would absolutely be redundant. I also consider it questionable when a player is quoted stating he wants to stay somewhere as Siakim was supposedly recently quoted. That leads me to believe something is in the wind. Toronto lost four crucial pieces to their championship team over the last couple of years in Leonard, Green, Powell, and Lowry, all veteran players. It definitely has the making of a rebuild to me. Factor in Siakam’s salary, list of forwards on the roster, and I can definitely see him being moved for cap relief, young talent, and draft picks.

[Note30]

I just don’t see Russell going out but, for me, he wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I find Toronto’s name interesting. I know it’s phrased as if they are a Simmons’ suitor but there may not be a roster less constructed for Simmons. Besides Siakim being there, they just drafted a player with essentially the same strengths and weaknesses as Simmons at pick #4. There inclusion indicates to me that they may be willing to be the third team. But is that involvement minor (Dragic) or more major (FVV or Siakim)?

Minnesota isn't trading Russell and creating a massive hole at PG. I don't see McDaniels being offered either. Toronto makes a good 3rd team though.

Unless they get a PG through the trade

[moonpie]

To put it in simple terms, it's a big game of chicken right now.

[shrink]

It is interesting to me that D’Angelo Russell is mentioned there.

I agree. I liked that he was included in the “asset” pool in Sham’s quote. And his skillset would fill some of PHI’s needs.

I also like that KAT and Edwards were not listed, so everyone except a few PHI fans accepts that Rosas said both are off the table.

The Timberwolves have been motivated to find a deal for Simmons but would likely require a third team given their asset pool of Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels and D’Angelo Russell might not entice the 76ers.

Anyway, I don’t mind Russell going out (..he said, to the surprise of no one). I agree that it creates a massive holes PG, but Russell is probably not among the top 20 PG’s, and not the top 30 of “who you’d rather have?” like Suggs. It might take a season, but it would be easier to fill the PG hole because of all the PG’s in the league.

[SO_MONEY]

It is interesting to me that D’Angelo Russell is mentioned there.

I agree. I liked that he was included in the “asset” pool in Sham’s quote. And his skillset would fill some of PHI’s needs.

I also like that KAT and Edwards were not listed, so everyone except a few PHI fans accepts that Rosas said both are off the table.

The Timberwolves have been motivated to find a deal for Simmons but would likely require a third team given their asset pool of Malik Beasley, Jaden McDaniels and D’Angelo Russell might not entice the 76ers.

Anyway, I don’t mind Russell going out (..he said, to the surprise of no one). I agree that it creates a massive holes PG, but Russell is probably not among the top 20 PG’s, and not the top 30 of “who you’d rather have?” like Suggs. It might take a season, but it would be easier to fill the PG hole because of all the PG’s in the league.

I would rather start over and build around ANT, McDaniels and company than give up assets, create a hole at an important position and replace Russell with a worse contract. Trying to build around Simmons is insanity, not sure what giving up stuff for that privilege is?

I get you don't like Russell, I don't either, but Simmons is a last piece kind of player one you add to a team that can support him.

[Merc_Porto]

Of course the 76ers don't want any piece of DLO.
Even tought i don't like Rosas at all and what he's doing since he got here but even him would easily break the banana crew connection to get Ben...

Come on SO_MONEY, you take the shooting aspect which is very important and there isn't a single thing you can point out where DLO is better than Ben as Point Guard.

And yet you keep talking about creating a hole in the PG position.

[Slim Tubby]

I just don’t see Russell going out but, for me, he wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I find Toronto’s name interesting. I know it’s phrased as if they are a Simmons’ suitor but there may not be a roster less constructed for Simmons. Besides Siakim being there, they just drafted a player with essentially the same strengths and weaknesses as Simmons at pick #4. There inclusion indicates to me that they may be willing to be the third team. But is that involvement minor (Dragic) or more major (FVV or Siakim)?

Minnesota isn't trading Russell and creating a massive hole at PG. I don't see McDaniels being offered either. Toronto makes a good 3rd team though.

I don't see Russell being included in any package for Simmons but if Rosas and Finch truly believe in Simmons, they'll include McDaniels and won't look back. That doesn't mean that I'd be happy about it. If it's 3-way deal with PHI, TOR and MIN, this would be the logical building blocks considering PHI will need a PG:

MIN in: Simmons & &oucher
PHI in: Siakam & Dragic
TOR in: Beasley, McDaniels, Reid & three (3) FRP's (MIN - 2 & PHI - 1)

Matching salaries could be a struggle, though.

[KGdaBom]

I just don’t see Russell going out but, for me, he wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

I find Toronto’s name interesting. I know it’s phrased as if they are a Simmons’ suitor but there may not be a roster less constructed for Simmons. Besides Siakim being there, they just drafted a player with essentially the same strengths and weaknesses as Simmons at pick #4. There inclusion indicates to me that they may be willing to be the third team. But is that involvement minor (Dragic) or more major (FVV or Siakim)?

Minnesota isn't trading Russell and creating a massive hole at PG. I don't see McDaniels being offered either. Toronto makes a good 3rd team though.

I don't see Russell being included in any package for Simmons but if Rosas and Finch truly believe in Simmons, they'll include McDaniels and won't look back. That doesn't mean that I'd be happy about it. If it's 3-way deal with PHI, TOR and MIN, this would be the logical building blocks considering PHI will need a PG:

MIN in: Simmons & &oucher
PHI in: Siakam & Dragic
TOR in: Beasley, McDaniels, Reid & three (3) FRP's (MIN - 2 & PHI - 1)

Matching salaries could be a struggle, though.

Sounds about right Slim.