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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#141 » by Krapinsky » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:38 pm

younggunsmn wrote:Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead. I don't know that this seriously affects our chances of ending up with SImmons, but I'm a ton less anxious that we give up way too much if he does end up here.


Eh, he inherited Ryan Saunders and got 1/2 a season with a capable coach. I don't think he ever got a fair shot. This is reminiscent of the Casey and Mitchell firings in my opinion.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#142 » by wolves_89 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:39 pm

Even after all these years I'm still amazed at the Timberwolves ability to find new and unique ways to make a mess of things.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#143 » by Dewey » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 pm

Wow geniuses all over … armchair quarterback city … laughable posts
Flip response to Love wanting out, "He has no reason to be upset, you're either a part of the problem or a part of the solution"
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#144 » by younggunsmn » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 pm

I'd take Capela McDaniels and Xavier TIllman. But thats just me.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#145 » by KG_Wolves » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:44 pm

**** this stupid aszss franchise...

We have a GM who has given this team some direction and a promising coach and now suddenly he is gone???

This sounds like Thibs situation all over again where "hostile atmosphere" aka peoples feelings got hurt..

If AROD moves the team, this is the best time to do it.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#146 » by Wolf_Cry » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:47 pm

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younggunsmn wrote:Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead. I don't know that this seriously affects our chances of ending up with SImmons, but I'm a ton less anxious that we give up way too much if he does end up here.


Eh, he inherited Ryan Saunders and got 1/2 a season with a capable coach. I don't think he ever got a fair shot. This is reminiscent of the Casey and Mitchell firings in my opinion.


I mean, who's fault was that but his though? He's literally the POBO. If he didn't want Saunders as the HC, he could've easily make that change any time.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#147 » by younggunsmn » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:49 pm

Krapinsky wrote:
younggunsmn wrote:Doogie said it was not trade negotiation related.

My guess from what has been said so far is that something happened that would allow them to terminate him for cause.
None of the local guys can say anything because no one will go on the record about it.
If they were planning on bringing in their own guy anyway, it's a pretty convenient excuse to save themselves a boatload of money.

Now that could be something as simple as shoving another employee or throwing a chair through a window, and as complex as harassment or even covering up harassment, to violating a company ethics policy or a clause in his contract. Banging a subordinate would definitely qualify.

Lore and Arod are technically minority owners of 20% of the team at this point in time, but they have more pull than your usual minority owners.

It's surprising, but I don't know why you all are so upset. He sucked. He will never get any respect in trade negotiations after the Russell deal. He could have had Clint Capela's 15 Rebounds and 2 blocks/game and he took the beasley and juancho poo poo platter instead. I don't know that this seriously affects our chances of ending up with SImmons, but I'm a ton less anxious that we give up way too much if he does end up here.


Eh, he inherited Ryan Saunders and got 1/2 a season with a capable coach. I don't think he ever got a fair shot. This is reminiscent of the Casey and Mitchell firings in my opinion.


I'd make the argument he pushed his own system on Ryan Saunders without the personnel to run it and doomed him from the start.
Look at how historically imbalanced our current roster is.
Ryan wasnt great but he's not nearly as bad as some here make him out to be.
Maybe part of Finch's success is Rosas learning not to meddle.
And you should believe very little of what you see from a non playoff team during the tanking part of the schedule when the good teams are managing workloads to prepare for the playoffs and bad teams have quit trying to win.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#148 » by Domejandro » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:57 pm

For what it is worth, I similarly lean towards Ryan Saunders not being at fault, the pieces he was working with were really awkwardly fitting, and he had to operate within an offensive framework that did not emphasize his coaching strength (particularly as a play-action guy).
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#149 » by Mattya » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:57 pm

younggunsmn wrote:I'd take Capela McDaniels and Xavier TIllman. But thats just me.


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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#150 » by UnFadeable21 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:02 am

Rosas had an “alleged affair” with an assistant
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Post#151 » by UnFadeable21 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:06 am

I tried to go to the Timberwolves staff directory on NBA.com but it has been shut down…

The Timberwolves didn’t thank Rosas for his time with the team in their released statement.

That means it ended badly
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#152 » by Mattya » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:07 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Is she the one Rosas had an “alleged affair” with


This is too far down the speculation hole, and potentially harms this woman. Are people this bored with nothing to do?
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#153 » by wolves_89 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:07 am

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Read on Twitter
?s=21

Looks like it was Arod and Lore’s call.

Elton Brand to step out of the shadow of Darryl Morey


I wonder if Arod and Lore recently watched the movie Major League and decided the movie's ownership strategy was a great idea, i.e. make the team so bad that no one would notice when they move the franchise. Step 1, call up Elton Brand...
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#154 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:12 am

I'm fine with getting rid of him, I don't think he had done a great job, though not awful. I really hope we don't bring in Brand, though.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#155 » by life_saver » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:16 am

I mean this dude said this few weeks back

Read on Twitter



Same dude said this today

Read on Twitter

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Post#156 » by UnFadeable21 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:16 am

Jeff Munnekie who is VP of Wolves and Lynx Fan experience at Target Center is now following the guy who broke the Rosas Affair story on Twitter.
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Post#157 » by Tomjas » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:27 am

Wth would you guys be interested in Elton Brand?

Did Minny not see the train wreck roster he put together for the Sixers?
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#158 » by Calinks » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:31 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:Jonny Athletic said Rosas blocked Gupta twice from getting promoted and hired to other organizations.

Said Gersson did something else that sealed his fate, his own doing.

Lore and Arod played a big part in final decision.

I will say, this sparked my memory on one thing I did hear about a month back. They said someone in the front office was disgruntled because someone was blocking them/holding them back or something and they don't want it to get out. That is the only negative murmur I have heard. Guess it was Rosas somehow holding Gupta back.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#159 » by UnFadeable21 » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:35 am

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"Today, the Minnesota Timberwolves parted ways with President of Basketball Operations Gersson Rosas," the statement said. "As an organization, we remain committed to building a winning team that our fans and city can be proud of."

Sachin Gupta will assume day to day operations on the basketball side while keeping his title as executive vice president of basketball operations. The team will hold a search for a permanent replacement for Rosas.

"We are committed to staying aligned to achieve our short-term goals and reach our long-term vision," Taylor said in a statement.

Even though the statements came from Taylor, sources said Taylor made the call in conjunction with new owners Marc Lore and Alex Rodriguez, who are on a path to become controlling owners in 2023.

Throughout the past few months there has been a growing discord and strained relationships among Rosas, the front office and the rest of the organization, sources said. The Wolves decided to make change in leadership now before training camp opens next week instead of having that linger into the season, sources said.

Other parts of the organization got a sense for how the culture on the basketball side was deteriorating at Summer League in Las Vegas last month and that continued over the last few weeks, sources said. Rosas' attitude toward staff and ways of conducting business contributed to the morose atmosphere around the organization, sources said.



I think the keyword in Glen’s statement is to be team the city and state can be “proud” of.

No thank you Rosas for your time or efforts. Even David Kahn got one of those.
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Re: Shams/Krawczynski: Rosas is out as POBO 

Post#160 » by King Malta » Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:42 am

Given the speculation (from beat writers, who are at least semi-credible) regarding whether he collects his full payout and the timing of the decision I would assume this is not a purely basketball decision, but don't want to specifically speculate on what drove it.

Agree with the above comments RE: fishing out linkedin profiles and attaching narratives to them, it's pretty gross and potentially very damaging to the individuals involved.

As far as Rosas' performance, he wasn't perfect but I feel like some of the aspects of the job that he'd demonstrated any kind of success in (drafting, talent identification, value contracts, small value trades) were the things that are very useless to a small market team, especially one which hopes to compete soon.

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