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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#141 » by minimus » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:17 am

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Dewey wrote:Draft and off-season free agency we need to address 2 things…

1. PF …
2. PG …

Between our 1st rounder and a few 2nds we should be able to address at least one of these needs. Whatever we add helps bolster the bench


Would be awesome to get oversized, 6'3-6'5" version of JMac who can defend PG/SG, pass and slash
Like say....Bolmaro? Not that he should prevent one from drafting another PG or whatever....but do you still have hope there? And/or any strong feelings if he does make something of himself...what that will be?

I'm not ready to give up on him just yet, but I have no real hopes &/or ideas as to what he might really become & I'm curious to see to know if Gupta is a fan or was he more a Rosas pick that they might easily move on from?


I really like Bolmaro. I also dont see any problem playing multiple oversized playmakers around Ant and Towns. I was really enjoying CHI when all three Caruso, Ball and DeRozan played together.

We often use two ballhandlers lineups DLo-Beverly, and DLo-JMac. I see this as feature of our offense, but I would like to upgrade our defensive potential here. So with possible Bolmaro (or another big ballhandler) development it might be DLo-Beverly, DLo-Bolmaro.

Another perfect example is Derrick White, who has been an awesome addition to BOS: strong, heady, smart defender and good playmaker.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#142 » by old school 34 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:20 am

minimus wrote:Agbaji looks very interesting to me. Tough, dynamic both in offense and defense
Really like his player comp that I saw (Desmond Bane)....haven't seen enough of him to know if I agree with the thought....but I would gladly take a shot on a guy with that type of profile.

Obviously perfect world, we want to find a starting caliber 4 that can defend, rebound, & shoot...but don't believe that guys falling to us unless we just simply pull the needle out of the haystack.

There's about 15 guys that now, I at least feel have kind of solidified as being in that top half of the draft...wasn't sure if that consensus was even going to come...order inside there could still vary quite a bit....but a stronger consensus would help us a ton if we're going to say target a player or two....as I'd see us using our draft capital still more to move up or down for specific guys vs staying pat & drafting 4 guys?

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#143 » by old school 34 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:27 am

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Would be awesome to get oversized, 6'3-6'5" version of JMac who can defend PG/SG, pass and slash
Like say....Bolmaro? Not that he should prevent one from drafting another PG or whatever....but do you still have hope there? And/or any strong feelings if he does make something of himself...what that will be?

I'm not ready to give up on him just yet, but I have no real hopes &/or ideas as to what he might really become & I'm curious to see to know if Gupta is a fan or was he more a Rosas pick that they might easily move on from?


I really like Bolmaro. I also dont see any problem playing multiple oversized playmakers around Ant and Towns. I was really enjoying CHI when all three Caruso, Ball and DeRozan played together.

We often use two ballhandlers lineups DLo-Beverly, and DLo-JMac. I see this as feature of our offense, but I would like to upgrade our defensive potential here. So with possible Bolmaro (or another big ballhandler) development it might be DLo-Beverly, DLo-Bolmaro.

Another perfect example is Derrick White, who has been an awesome addition to BOS: strong, heady, smart defender and good playmaker.
The guy kind of in that vain &/or crosses into a little bit of Bolmaro as well that while raw....I can see a path where he can be pretty good is Dyson Daniels...I've seen him comped a fair amount to Giddey....but moreso because he's a big raw Aussie PG that isn't the greatest shooter. But I feel that one's a bit lazy....to some extent okay, but Daniels much more athletic & probably ends up being way better defender than Giddey ever becomes?

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#144 » by minimus » Wed Mar 30, 2022 12:23 pm

Guys, I have a question. It looks like we might get defensive minded big such as Mark Williams or Walker Kessler.

How much we can improve if we change our bench identity to more defense oriented?

Let me explain.

Part 1.


Our recent bench success is also based on very hot shooting from TP, Beasley, AND JMac ability to control tempo. Neither of this group is an above average defender. Same goes for Reid, who is our backup C. The only good defender is MCD. But we still had success as group because this unit Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac/Nowell is very talented on offensive end. In defense they run same high wall schemу but they cant stop anyone from scoring. They actively patroling passing lanes and try to put pressure on ballhandler. But I think it is maximum what we could get from this group both in offense and defense, because:

* - Beasley has been shooting very well recently
* - TP has been shooting very well recently
* - JMac has been done impressive job as ballhandler, cut unnecessary turnovers, controlled tempo
* - Only MCD has MORE room to grow both in defense and offense

I watched some highlights of Williams and Kessler. They look impressive as rim protectors in drop scheme. But I believe it would require some additional changes to integrate them in our team. First, both Williams Kessler and Mark Williams are mostly weakside shotblockers, who can benefit from playing in drop scheme. Can we switch to drop scheme when we play bench unit, but still play high wall with starting unit? Also to play drop we need a strong PoA defender who can fight through screens. I mean there is no sense to swtich to use scheme if on point-of-attack defends undersized McLaughlin or Nowell. Embiid is so effective in drop, because Thybulle is so effective in contesting shots from behind. We dont have such guy on the bench. Second, Williams Kessler and Mark Williams are raw in offense we cant pair them with another limited offensive player. For instance, we can't pair Kessler/Williams with Vando or Okogie. Third, even drafting either bigman, we still need productive backup bigman. It means that we still we need Reid, who is completely different player: versatile scorer, but poor rebounder (although it looks worse because of high wall scheme) and positional defender. Reid can't play PF, so in this case we either resign him now and trade later when Williams or Kessler are ready or let him go.

So I am a bit torn between these two options. First option is keeping current offensive minded dynamic bench unit Reid-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac/Nowell. Second option is very intriguing, but very risky: building defensive identity around Kessler/Williams+MCD+PoA defender. By itself MCD has high potential as defender, playing him with natural shotblocker would form very promising duo. Imagine adding here a solid PoA defender. Not to mention Kessler/Williams are far better rebounder than Reid.

To sum up: I like both Kessler/Williams, but it means we need to made significant change in defensive scheme. However, next season we could run hybrid unit based on matchups, let say Reid/Kessler-MCD-TP-Beasley-JMac/Nowell/Bolmaro. Let Kessler and Bolmaro mature, and after next season we will have Kessler-MCD-TP-Nowell-Bolmaro. I really hope that we have Caruso/DiVincenzo type of player in Bolmaro.

Thoughts?

P.S. I dont know how it work financialy, but maybe it makes sense to negotiate new contracts of Reid, TP and Nowell, and resign them this offseason at fair price, so they become assets. Will new Reid and Nowell extensions start from 2023-24 season? Or from 2022-23 season?
P.P.S I know maybe we should not sign role players before Towns, DLo extension are not discussed
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#145 » by minimus » Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:29 pm

Part 2.

Another less realistic, but more "natural" way to improve this team is to get versatile, two way big wing. I can see only two players who have such high potential to make big difference: Keegan Murray and Sochan. Let me explain.

We use Beasley and FRP to move up in draft and get Murray or Sochan.

We re-sign Reid, Nowell. We give TP two year deal with 2nd year team option. We get bigger at backup PF AND SF positions by sliding MCD to SF spot. So bench unit will be Reid-Sochan-MCD-TP-Nowell/JMac. Reid in high wall will be less exposed (just like Towns), however Sochan-MCD-TP is a good combination of size, versatility. We will lack Beasley shooting and we absolutely need a solid ballhandler but I believe Finch could make it work.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#146 » by minimus » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:17 am

Part 3.

Replicate starting unit in defense: "mobile big" + "big wing" + "PoA defender", KAT-Vando/MCD-Beverly. In this case we keep Reid+MCD and need to find a backup PoA. We have one year of Beverly contract and after it we will have a complete void in PoA role. It means we can use this year to either get long-term solution OR/AND develop someone internaly.

From this draft group I can see only Dyson Daniels who fits this role. Plus we have Bolmaro as prospect. From FA agents I can see only DiVincenzo who fits this role. I doubt SAC are open to trade him in sign-trade, but if the price is three SRPs or even future late FRP, I would do it in a heartbeat.

So my ideal scenario here would be Nowell + two SRPs in sign-trade for DiVincenzo. Draft Kessler, sign RoCo for full MLE with team options after second year. Let Prince go.

KAT/Reid + Kessler
Vando/RoCo/MCD
Edwards/MCD/RoCo
Beverley/Beasley + Bolmaro
DLo/DiVincenzo/JMac

I believe do that Reid-RoCo-MCD-Beasley-DiVincenzo can slow down ANY bench unit in NBA, while still able to score enough points. I dont know if we can fit three new contracts of Reid, DiVincenzo and RoCo, even if we let TP, Okogie and Layman go.


UPD: completely forgot about Gary Payton II as FA target. Is he worth MLE?

Draft Kessler, trade Beasley + two SRP for FRP. Draft big wing such as Kendall Brown. Sign RoCo for full MLE with team options after second year. Let Prince go.

KAT/Reid + Kessler
Vando/RoCo/MCD
Edwards/MCD/Brown
Beverley/Nowell + Bolmaro
DLo/Payton/JMac

Reid-RoCo-MCD-Nowell -Payton
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2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#147 » by minimus » Fri Apr 1, 2022 9:31 am

I know, I know.. EJ Liddell is an undersized PF... But I watched some videos and I really like his game. Can anyone tell why he cant be our versrion of PJ Tucker/Millsap? He might not be worth our FRP, but if we can get another late FRP via trade I would draft him.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#148 » by Rookie-Mistake » Sun Apr 3, 2022 12:48 am

We need a big defensive centre plain and simple. There isn't even a need to get into analytics and schemes.



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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#149 » by moss_is_1 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 3:17 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:We need a big defensive centre plain and simple. There isn't even a need to get into analytics and schemes.



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Just a big, doesn't have to be a center. Unless we're trading Naz, or think Kat is gonna play more PF. Someone who can rebound and not get pushed around inside.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#150 » by old school 34 » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:43 am

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Rookie-Mistake wrote:We need a big defensive centre plain and simple. There isn't even a need to get into analytics and schemes.



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Just a big, doesn't have to be a center. Unless we're trading Naz, or think Kat is gonna play more PF. Someone who can rebound and not get pushed around inside.
I wonder if Tari Eason makes it to us or not....still might leave us a little undersized...but I can see him as a fit with a lot of our guys? I also, think if Baldwin checks out from a character standpoint & maybe just learned from a poor choice that didn't set him up for a great freshman year...that he might be a guy pretty high on their list (a Jaden type of pick...& believe in the shot & even better if he was to surprise us like Jaden did with the D)?

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#151 » by minimus » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:47 pm

We can use our FRP to get third string defensive minded C such as Mark Williams. But I think we we need tough, physical players regardless of position. Since Okogie is out of rotation and MCD is injured we don't have answer to big ballhandlers. A tough, smart physical 6'5"-6'7" wing similar to Jimmy Butler would be a nice addition. Butler basically plays PF for MIA, imagine younger raw version of Butler playing point forward with our bench unit. Is Wendell Moore such type of player?

Reid-MCD-Moore-Beasley-Nowell/JMac?

I really like Liddell because he seems to be physical, tough player even if he's a bit undersized

Reid-Liddell-MCD-Beasley-Nowell/JMac?
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#152 » by Klomp » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:28 pm

minimus wrote:I know, I know.. EJ Liddell is an undersized PF... But I watched some videos and I really like his game. Can anyone tell why he cant be our versrion of PJ Tucker/Millsap? He might not be worth our FRP, but if we can get another late FRP via trade I would draft him.

I've really liked him as well in my limited looks on Youtube. And I wouldn't have an issue taking him with our own 1st.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#153 » by minimus » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:52 pm

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Rookie-Mistake wrote:I wonder if Tari Eason makes it to us or not....still might leave us a little undersized...but I can see him as a fit with a lot of our guys?


I was looking for something like this. Steals % and assist % for a big or forward usually means that he has high basketball IQ.

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#154 » by minimus » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:09 pm

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minimus wrote:I know, I know.. EJ Liddell is an undersized PF... But I watched some videos and I really like his game. Can anyone tell why he cant be our versrion of PJ Tucker/Millsap? He might not be worth our FRP, but if we can get another late FRP via trade I would draft him.

I've really liked him as well in my limited looks on Youtube. And I wouldn't have an issue taking him with our own 1st.

I wonder if OKC have any interest in Nowell or Reid. They are looking for high upside guys, but they also have three first round picks 4, 14 and 30. For instance, can we trade Reid and our two SRPs for 30th pick?

My pipe dream would be trading Reid and our two SRP for 30th pick, then drafting two Duke players: Mark Williams and Wendell Moore.
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Post#155 » by Neeva » Mon Apr 4, 2022 10:22 pm

I’d stay away from Liddel I wasn’t impressed at all during the tournament. Can’t dribble, can’t shoot , and looked undersized even for college.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#156 » by old school 34 » Tue Apr 5, 2022 1:43 am

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I was looking for something like this. Steals % and assist % for a big or forward usually means that he has high basketball IQ.

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Yeah, he really kind of on both ends of that next plateau of guys that aren't in that early lotto tier. And I'm still pretty limited about what I know about him so far....but sounds like a transfer from Cinci, I think & was a high motor 6th man type coming off the bench but generally closed? Outside shot is a little questionable but most seem to believe in it in time?

Couple G's in tonight's game that could be a fit Ochai for Kansas (a Beasley replacement, if Beasley gets moved in a different deal...see him comped to Bane a lot) or Caleb Love in the 2nd round...essentially become a Nowell backfill--again, say if he's moved as a sweetener in another deal vs extending him where Love could potentially offer a lot of the same while resetting the clock on say another Gupta special deal?

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#158 » by shangrila » Wed Apr 6, 2022 6:52 am

Best start looking at lottery prospects.
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Post#159 » by Klomp » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:17 pm

shangrila wrote:Best start looking at lottery prospects.

The absolute highest we can even possibly land at this point is 14, the last spot in the lottery.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Talk: Never too soon 

Post#160 » by BlacJacMac » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:31 pm

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shangrila wrote:Best start looking at lottery prospects.

The absolute highest we can even possibly land at this point is 14, the last spot in the lottery.


I don't believe that is correct:

Game 1: The No. 7 team in the standings by winning percentage will host the No. 8 team, with the winner earning the No. 7 seed in the playoffs. The losing team gets another chance in Game 3.

Game 2: The No. 9 team will host the No. 10 team, with the winner moving on to Game 3. The loser is eliminated and enters the NBA draft lottery.

Game 3: The loser of the No. 7 vs. No. 8 matchup will host the winner of the No. 9 vs. No. 10 matchup, with the victor grabbing the No. 8 seed in the postseason. The loser of Game 3 also enters the lottery.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33567713/nba-play-tournament-2022-schedule-projections-rules-explained

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How does the NBA play-in tournament work?

The teams that finish between the seventh and 10th seeds in each conference will be subject to a play-in tournament to decide the final playoff spots. The eight teams involved will play a total of six games, or three games per conference.

Game 1 will pit the seventh- and eighth-ranked teams, based on regular season win percentage, with the winner of the game advancing to the playoffs as the seventh seed in their respective conference. The loser would then have to play the winner of the lower-seeded game.

Game 2 will see the ninth-ranked teams host the 10th-ranked teams, in which the winner would advance to play the loser of the seventh versus eighth game.

Game 3 will determine the eighth and final playoff spot in each conference, between the loser of Game 1 and the winner of Game 2.

The losers of Game 2 and Game 3 enter the NBA Draft Lottery following their respective eliminations.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/nba-play-in-tournament-rules-schedule-matchups-145051674.html

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