2022 Free Agency

[jpatrick]

How much would you pay for this skill set during the first round series? (just avoid looking at the score)

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I just like this guy. I'd pay 5 mil and he'd be a bargain. I like him much more than Reid. He's not flashy but he does a lot of things well.

He'd be a great get on our 2nd unit.

I know very little about Hartenstein but Nate Duncan loves him. Apparently he put up some of the best rim protection numbers in the league last year. Looks like a good passer too. Wish he spaced the floor a bit better. Both Duncan and Hollinger thought he’d get about the full MLE.

So many centers out there in FA, do we really want to spend that kind of money on someone that “maybe” can play a few minutes with Towns. Hartenstein, Robinson, Nurkic, Jalen Smith, Bomba, etc., could all improve us defensively. Just not sure they’re worth the price or not.

Edit: I know it’s small sample size. Hartenstein’s g-league stats are interesting. In 2018-19, so when he was 20 or 21, he played five games, dominated, including shooting 47% from three on about 6.5 attempts per game. He also went 8-13 in his last few games with the clips. Maybe there is some stretch big in him.

Connelly is familiar with him. Signed him as a free agent a couple years ago, but traded him in less than a year for Javale McGee. I wonder if being signed and traded that quickly would sour him on signing with Connelly again.

[Dewey]

We need an interior defender similar to Beverly on the perimeter…. Pesky, grind, and somehow find ways to impact the game by just out working the opponent.

[shrink]

The Trade Board came up with this list of possible non-tax MLE guys this summer. That would be a deal starting at $10.5 mil, running up to 4 years. I think it’s very likely MIN looks to use their MLE to increase their team payroll.

Which three guys do you think they would be most interested in?

Tyus Jones
Otto Porter
Ricky Rubio
Mo Bamba
Gary Harris
Bruce Brown
Montrez Harrell
Kyle Anderson
TJ Warren
Malik Monk
Speedy Claxton
Mitchell Robinson
Chris Boucher
Isiah Hartenstein.

[jpatrick]

The Trade Board came up with this list of possible non-tax MLE guys this summer. That would be a deal starting at $10.5 mil, running up to 4 years. I think it’s very likely MIN looks to use their MLE to increase their team payroll.

Which three guys do you think they would be most interested in?

Tyus Jones
Otto Porter
Ricky Rubio
Mo Bamba
Gary Harris
Bruce Brown
Montrez Harrell
Kyle Anderson
TJ Warren
Malik Monk
Speedy Claxton
Mitchell Robinson
Chris Boucher
Isiah Hartenstein.

As I don’t see Tyus as a starting PG and there is really no starting (defensive) PF on there imo, I’d go after a big that can protect the rim. Probably in this order:

Hartenstein
Jalen Smith
Nurkic (probably resign with blazers)
Robinson
Bomba
Boucher (probably resign with raptors)

Are any worth 4yrs/50m though? It’d probably mean that Reid is on his way out, which I don’t think is a bad thing.

[Colbinii]

The Trade Board came up with this list of possible non-tax MLE guys this summer. That would be a deal starting at $10.5 mil, running up to 4 years. I think it’s very likely MIN looks to use their MLE to increase their team payroll.

Which three guys do you think they would be most interested in?

Tyus Jones
Otto Porter
Ricky Rubio
Mo Bamba
Gary Harris
Bruce Brown
Montrez Harrell
Kyle Anderson
TJ Warren
Malik Monk
Speedy Claxton
Mitchell Robinson
Chris Boucher
Isiah Hartenstein.

As I don’t see Tyus as a starting PG and there is really no starting (defensive) PF on there imo, I’d go after a big that can protect the rim. Probably in this order:

Hartenstein
Jalen Smith
Nurkic (probably resign with blazers)
Robinson
Bomba
Boucher (probably resign with raptors)

Are any worth 4yrs/50m though? It’d probably mean that Reid is on his way out, which I don’t think is a bad thing.

Kyle Anderson is and would be a nice fit with the defensive identity and adds an additional ball handler if DLo is moved.

[Colbinii]

We need an interior defender similar to Beverly on the perimeter…. Pesky, grind, and somehow find ways to impact the game by just out working the opponent.

Kyle Anderson

[Krapinsky]

We need an interior defender similar to Beverly on the perimeter…. Pesky, grind, and somehow find ways to impact the game by just out working the opponent.

His name is Jared Vanderbilt.

What we need is more size for different matchups where Vanderbilt can just be outmuscled.

[Slim Tubby]

The Trade Board came up with this list of possible non-tax MLE guys this summer. That would be a deal starting at $10.5 mil, running up to 4 years. I think it’s very likely MIN looks to use their MLE to increase their team payroll.

Which three guys do you think they would be most interested in?

Tyus Jones
Otto Porter
Ricky Rubio
Mo Bamba
Gary Harris
Bruce Brown
Montrez Harrell
Kyle Anderson
TJ Warren
Malik Monk
Speedy Claxton
Mitchell Robinson
Chris Boucher
Isiah Hartenstein.

I’d go with Bamba, Anderson and Claxton in no particular order.


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[moss_is_1]

Kyle Anderosn is the dream, assuming Portis just opts out to get a bigger deal with Milwaukee using his bird rights.

Otto Porter is interesting too, he's been very good for GSW. Great size, defense and shooting.

Bamba, Hartenstein, Smith, and Robinson are interesting though as well.

[Klomp]

If we are looking at possibly moving Beasley in trade, I wonder if we might consider Gary Harris at the MLE. Finch, Connelly and Lloyd all have history with him.

[wolves_89]

The Trade Board came up with this list of possible non-tax MLE guys this summer. That would be a deal starting at $10.5 mil, running up to 4 years. I think it’s very likely MIN looks to use their MLE to increase their team payroll.

Which three guys do you think they would be most interested in?

Tyus Jones
Otto Porter
Ricky Rubio
Mo Bamba
Gary Harris
Bruce Brown
Montrez Harrell
Kyle Anderson
TJ Warren
Malik Monk
Speedy Claxton
Mitchell Robinson
Chris Boucher
Isiah Hartenstein.

I'd make Hartenstein my top priority. If that doesn't work, out I'd probably go after Porter, Harris, Robinson, or Jones.

[Norseman79]

I started going down this rabbit hole on the trade thread, but realistically speaking if we trade guys like DLo, Beasley, and Naz obviously we would be getting players back, but those are unknown at this time. The positions I would look most strongly at in FA are SFs and C. Some guys who could check boxes while also providing depth and not break the bank are:
SF- Josh Jackson - solid back up to McDaniels at the three. Should be affordable.
PF - Jalen Smith - depends on price, but like the upside.
C - Thomas Bryant - big, strong, good rebounder, coming off injury should keep price dow.
Damian Jones - still think there is some untapped potential there.
Kevon Looney - nothing fancy, but knows how to win and is only 26.

As I said in the other thread, I still think the best way to maximize our current roster makeup including moving the players I mentioned looks like this:

PG - ???, Beverly, McClaughlin
SG - Ant, Nowell, ????
SF - McDaniels (aka Mantis), ????, Jackson (F.A.)
PF - Towns, Vanderbilt, ???
C - ????, Jones/Looney (F.A.), ????

The question marks are where players returning from trades would be or draft picks. I filled out up to 15 players on roster, and there are quite a few ?marks, but so much will hinge on trades and draft, it's hard to really hit a FA.

[shrink]

Great discussion yesterday on the smitty’s Front Office Show podcast whether Brunson or Tyus Jones was a better free agent PG. Lots of respect for Tyus, especially since they acknowledge he could get a deal for half of what Brunson gets.

If he would sign here for the full MLE. I’d love to trade DLo and bring him back. The other players love him, so it would maintain team chemistry, and he showed when Ja was out that he’s perfectly capable of running a team. There aren’t a lot of teams looking for a PG, so maybe he would sign here for the opportunity for bigger minutes with Beverley getting older, and becoming the likely starter next year. We don’t need a scoring PG like Brunson - we need a facilitator who is a smart defender, gets steals, and never turns the ball over. I also like the idea of finding the handful of players that really want to be in Minnesota.

[old school 34]

Great discussion yesterday on the smitty’s Front Office Show podcast whether Brunson or Tyus Jones was a better free agent PG. Lots of respect for Tyus, especially since they acknowledge he could get a deal for half of what Brunson gets.

If he would sign here for the full MLE. I’d love to trade DLo and bring him back. The other players love him, so it would maintain team chemistry, and he showed when Ja was out that he’s perfectly capable of running a team. There aren’t a lot of teams looking for a PG, so maybe he would sign here for the opportunity for bigger minutes with Beverley getting older, and becoming the likely starter next year. We don’t need a scoring PG like Brunson - we need a facilitator who is a smart defender, gets steals, and never turns the ball over. I also like the idea of finding the handful of players that really want to be in Minnesota.

I'd take either guy & confident that we could make it work. Strong arguments can be made both ways....if you truly had the choice of either or (in this hypothetical world)---it would be interesting to hear what say Wolves FO then says are next realistic corresponding moves...because those two paths would be dramatically different? Which most likely starts to hedge the initial discussion of which PG would you prefer one way or the other? One would think because Tyus would cost less, you'd have more flexibility to add more...but you'd definitely need to add more cause...he's not what Brunson is? If DLo is gone in said hypothetical, we'd still definitely want a competent 3rd scorer....something that Brunson has definitely proven that he could be?

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[SO_MONEY]

Great discussion yesterday on the smitty’s Front Office Show podcast whether Brunson or Tyus Jones was a better free agent PG. Lots of respect for Tyus, especially since they acknowledge he could get a deal for half of what Brunson gets.

If he would sign here for the full MLE. I’d love to trade DLo and bring him back. The other players love him, so it would maintain team chemistry, and he showed when Ja was out that he’s perfectly capable of running a team. There aren’t a lot of teams looking for a PG, so maybe he would sign here for the opportunity for bigger minutes with Beverley getting older, and becoming the likely starter next year. We don’t need a scoring PG like Brunson - we need a facilitator who is a smart defender, gets steals, and never turns the ball over. I also like the idea of finding the handful of players that really want to be in Minnesota.

Tyus isn't a starter. He is barely a backup, to which he battled Melton all year. This is where he hovers and will hover I suspect. Sometimes he plays okay, sometimes he is unplayable and gets benched. If a team wants to give the MLE let them. If you can get him for less, maybe, but don't expect him to start or to always be the rotational backup as you will need another.

[karch34]

Tyus is a very good back up. I don’t think he’s a starter unless it’s in a role where a Jordan, LeBron, or similar wing is the one who’s iniating. We don’t have that player so I don’t think he’s an optimal fit.

[SO_MONEY]

Tyus is a very good back up. I don’t think he’s a starter unless it’s in a role where a Jordan, LeBron, or similar wing is the one who’s iniating. We don’t have that player so I don’t think he’s an optimal fit.

I think very good backups don't have the poor stretches he does. When he is playing well he can sure help, when he isn't you can't have him out there unfortunately.

[shrink]

Great discussion yesterday on the smitty’s Front Office Show podcast whether Brunson or Tyus Jones was a better free agent PG. Lots of respect for Tyus, especially since they acknowledge he could get a deal for half of what Brunson gets.

If he would sign here for the full MLE. I’d love to trade DLo and bring him back. The other players love him, so it would maintain team chemistry, and he showed when Ja was out that he’s perfectly capable of running a team. There aren’t a lot of teams looking for a PG, so maybe he would sign here for the opportunity for bigger minutes with Beverley getting older, and becoming the likely starter next year. We don’t need a scoring PG like Brunson - we need a facilitator who is a smart defender, gets steals, and never turns the ball over. I also like the idea of finding the handful of players that really want to be in Minnesota.

Tyus isn't a starter. He is barely a backup, to which he battled Melton all year. This is where he hovers and will hover I suspect. Sometimes he plays okay, sometimes he is unplayable and gets benched. If a team wants to give the MLE let them. If you can get him for less, maybe, but don't expect him to start or to always be the rotational backup as you will need another.

I think this is an opinion that many people have, and they have not looked into the stats.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html

Jones reminds me a little of Rubio. He was never the best shooter, but his team shoots better when he is on the floor setting them up. Even the shooting has come around, as he shot 39% from three last year. This may have been expected since FT% is one of the best predictors, and Tyus has always been good at that. Jones played great as a starter when Morant was out. For those that like videos ..

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He has led the entire NBA in AST/TO ratio for four straight years! His good advanced stats at MIN have only gotten better in his three years in MEM, and as the pod alluded to, his WS and VORP were as good as Brunson, in less minutes. They put him in their free agent “starter” tier, tied with Brunson and ahead of Westbrook. I agree - he would be a good starter, particularly on a good offensive team .. like the Wolves.

I invite you to take a deeper look at the guy, and put your opinion to the test.

[SO_MONEY]

Great discussion yesterday on the smitty’s Front Office Show podcast whether Brunson or Tyus Jones was a better free agent PG. Lots of respect for Tyus, especially since they acknowledge he could get a deal for half of what Brunson gets.

If he would sign here for the full MLE. I’d love to trade DLo and bring him back. The other players love him, so it would maintain team chemistry, and he showed when Ja was out that he’s perfectly capable of running a team. There aren’t a lot of teams looking for a PG, so maybe he would sign here for the opportunity for bigger minutes with Beverley getting older, and becoming the likely starter next year. We don’t need a scoring PG like Brunson - we need a facilitator who is a smart defender, gets steals, and never turns the ball over. I also like the idea of finding the handful of players that really want to be in Minnesota.

Tyus isn't a starter. He is barely a backup, to which he battled Melton all year. This is where he hovers and will hover I suspect. Sometimes he plays okay, sometimes he is unplayable and gets benched. If a team wants to give the MLE let them. If you can get him for less, maybe, but don't expect him to start or to always be the rotational backup as you will need another.

I think this is an opinion that many people have, and they have not looked into the stats.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesty01.html

Jones reminds me a little of Rubio. He was never the best shooter, but his team shoots better when he is on the floor setting them up. Even the shooting has come around, as he shot 39% from three last year. This may have been expected since FT% is one of the best predictors, and Tyus has always been good at that. Jones played great as a starter when Morant was out

Watch on YouTube

He has led the entire NBA in AST/TO ratio for four straight years! His good advanced stats at MIN have only gotten better in his three years in MEM, and as the pod alluded to, his WS and VORP were as good as Brunson, in less minutes. They put him in their free agent “starter” tier, tied with Brunson and ahead of Westbrook. I agree - he would be a good starter, particularly on a good offensive team .. like the Wolves.

I invite you to take a deeper look at the guy, and put your opinion to the test.

He is basically a non factor about half the time, sure he takes care of the ball, still loses you games because he isn't consistently going to pick up the slack for anyone. This is why he is a 2/3 string. But if you feel I am ignoring stats... Memphis is right there with me.

[shrink]

I invite you to take a deeper look at the guy, and put your opinion to the test.

He is basically a non factor about half the time, sure he takes care of the ball, still loses you games because he isn't consistently going to pick up the slack for anyone. This is why he is a 2/3 string. But if you feel I am ignoring stats... Memphis is right there with me.

Way to make that deep dive in .. two minutes?

People that are unwilling to challenge their own preconceived ideas are always going to be stuck.