Dane Moore reporting indications are that Taylor lost arbitration

[guest81]

What are you even talking about? You shouldn't just make up things that can be looked up...

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/worst-nba-record-last-30-years

They got out of it once Glen stepped aside. Go look up the record when it was just Glen

https://www.axios.com/2021/03/03/minnesota-timberwolves-worst-franchise-sports

So you aren't counting the last three years?

Lore and arod have been making all the decisions...

[m2002brian]

They got out of it once Glen stepped aside. Go look up the record when it was just Glen

https://www.axios.com/2021/03/03/minnesota-timberwolves-worst-franchise-sports

So you aren't counting the last three years?

Lore and arod have been making all the decisions...

Had been until glen pulled the rug out from under them. At which point he locked them out of offices and took back full control of the team. Then came the second worst trade in Timberwolves history.

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Because connley isn't going to stick around if Glen is the majority owner therefore Glen would have to find a new gm

First, even if Tim Connelly leaves, Glen no longer chooses GMs, he has others do it.

Second, why do you think Connelly would leave? If you’re a GM, you want an owner that opens the wallet, and one who lets you make all the calls. This is rarer than you’d expect, but Glen does both of these. Taylor not only pays Connelly extremely well, one of the highest GM salaries in the NBA, but he’s agreed to every expensive move Connelly has asked for. Taylor even gave Connelly the OK on deals he didn’t like (the Gobert deal). Next, Connelly doesn’t want to move his family again. And finally, Connelly probably wants to be here to see how the team he put together does!

Do you know Connelly isn’t going to stick around? As a GM, I would be far more worried about ARod and Lore ponying up the cash for my moves, and I would certainly expect ARod to be one of the many owners that thinks he knows the business, and kibitzes.

There's zero reason for connley to delay his option for a year until the ownership situation got sorted out if he was good with both owners. Unless for whatever reason you think he doesn't want the two people that went and got him in the first place

I don’t think he was good with both owners, because the benefits of Taylor to a GM that I listed are certainly up in the air with ARod and Lore. We’ll see.

[guest81]

Glen also approved the Rudy Gobert trade, which he was not convinced of when it was happening. He generally goes along with whatever his front office wants, which would be a massive blessing if his hiring history wasn’t so poor.

In reality, the Rudy Gobert trade was made prior to the new CBA, and staying in the Second Apron longterm was not sustainable. Tim Connelly believed that it was the right decision for the team (which I think is understandable), and so the trade was made. Glen was not actively trying to trade KAT, he loved the guy.

Frankly, the idea that Glen was penny pinching is just really silly. The dude ate ten million dollars on waiving Keita Bates-Diop so Tim Connelly could keep P.J. Dozier instead. Minnesota absolutely should have either kept KBD or shipped him alongside a second to save the money, but Glen was willing toto take the financial hit to save the second.

Oh really? Do I need to bring up the 2011 draft where the Wolves kept trading back in order to get enough cash considerations from other teams to pay off Rambis? Mic drop.

To be fair glen was losing all sorts of money because of the **** product he put up for 15 years

[guest81]

First, even if Tim Connelly leaves, Glen no longer chooses GMs, he has others do it.

Second, why do you think Connelly would leave? If you’re a GM, you want an owner that opens the wallet, and one who lets you make all the calls. This is rarer than you’d expect, but Glen does both of these. Taylor not only pays Connelly extremely well, one of the highest GM salaries in the NBA, but he’s agreed to every expensive move Connelly has asked for. Taylor even gave Connelly the OK on deals he didn’t like (the Gobert deal). Next, Connelly doesn’t want to move his family again. And finally, Connelly probably wants to be here to see how the team he put together does!

Do you know Connelly isn’t going to stick around? As a GM, I would be far more worried about ARod and Lore ponying up the cash for my moves, and I would certainly expect ARod to be one of the many owners that thinks he knows the business, and kibitzes.

There's zero reason for connley to delay his option for a year until the ownership situation got sorted out if he was good with both owners. Unless for whatever reason you think he doesn't want the two people that went and got him in the first place

I don’t think he was good with both owners, because the benefits of Taylor to a GM that I listed are certainly up in the air with ARod and Lore. We’ll see.

They are not. The only source for lore and arod being poor are from the glen taylor camp. Ant as it turns out as usual based on today, that Glen is usually full of crap

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Glen also approved the Rudy Gobert trade, which he was not convinced of when it was happening. He generally goes along with whatever his front office wants, which would be a massive blessing if his hiring history wasn’t so poor.

In reality, the Rudy Gobert trade was made prior to the new CBA, and staying in the Second Apron longterm was not sustainable. Tim Connelly believed that it was the right decision for the team (which I think is understandable), and so the trade was made. Glen was not actively trying to trade KAT, he loved the guy.

Frankly, the idea that Glen was penny pinching is just really silly. The dude ate ten million dollars on waiving Keita Bates-Diop so Tim Connelly could keep P.J. Dozier instead. Minnesota absolutely should have either kept KBD or shipped him alongside a second to save the money, but Glen was willing toto take the financial hit to save the second.

Oh really? Do I need to bring up the 2011 draft where the Wolves kept trading back in order to get enough cash considerations from other teams to pay off Rambis?

You remind me of those hacks that go through tweets from decades ago to disagree with 100 million reasons staring them in the face today.

“But, but .. don’t count the $100 million ..ignore that please .. I found something that proves he’s cheap!”

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There's zero reason for connley to delay his option for a year until the ownership situation got sorted out if he was good with both owners. Unless for whatever reason you think he doesn't want the two people that went and got him in the first place

I don’t think he was good with both owners, because the benefits of Taylor to a GM that I listed are certainly up in the air with ARod and Lore. We’ll see.

They are not. The only source for lore and arod being poor are from the glen taylor camp. Ant as it turns out as usual based on today, that Glen is usually full of crap

That is not true at all. Forbes and all the national, independent sources question Lore’s wealth, and all agree ARod doesn’t have the bucks. None of those are “in Taylor’s camp.” You can’t just ignore info you don’t like, and say, “it must all be lies from Taylor.”

And the NBA’s history of ex-athletes interfering with their GMs is not good. If you don’t remember Jordan, you must know about Matt Ischbia going out to get Bradley Beal.

[shrink]

They got out of it once Glen stepped aside. Go look up the record when it was just Glen

https://www.axios.com/2021/03/03/minnesota-timberwolves-worst-franchise-sports

So you aren't counting the last three years?

Lore and arod have been making all the decisions...

Got any proof of that?

And aren’t you on Team “Taylor-is-cheap-so-he-forced-Connelly-to-trade-KAT?”

[guest81]

So you aren't counting the last three years?

Lore and arod have been making all the decisions...

Got any proof of that?

And aren’t you on Team “Taylor-is-cheap-so-he-forced-Connelly-to-trade-KAT?”

They brought on tim Connelly. They also got rid of rosas. They were very involved in the day to day. I guess it was part of Glens " mentoring".

And no I'm not. Im on the connelly traded Towns for basketball team building purposes

[younggunsmn]

I don’t think he was good with both owners, because the benefits of Taylor to a GM that I listed are certainly up in the air with ARod and Lore. We’ll see.

They are not. The only source for lore and arod being poor are from the glen taylor camp. Ant as it turns out as usual based on today, that Glen is usually full of crap

That is not true at all. Forbes and all the national, independent sources question Lore’s wealth, and all agree ARod doesn’t have the bucks. None of those are “in Taylor’s camp.” You can’t just ignore info you don’t like, and say, “it must all be lies from Taylor.”

And the NBA’s history of ex-athletes interfering with their GMs is not good. If you don’t remember Jordan, you must know about Matt Ischbia going out to get Bradley Beal.

Or you could you know look at the real world evidence of them having 2+ years to line up capital and still missing every important deadline and having multiple super wealthy individuals and hedge funds take a look at investing and then give a hard pass.

I hope all you "Never Taylors" enjoy what the next few years are going to be like with 2 guys who cosplay as billionaires owning the team.

[winforlose]

So much of the back and forth is based on emotion and unanswered questions. At the end of the day the contract was enforced, and in the very near future ALORE (What I am calling them until you guys give me a better nickname, and yes I consider L ROD or LROD,) will have full control. It is possible they improve the team, it is possible they destroy the team. It is possible they have the money to afford tax bills, it is possible they do not. We are at the beginning of a new administration. Some of them give us stuff like health insurance regardless of pre existing conditions (universally popular,) others give us things that are divisive. Either way we are every bit as clueless as we are powerless until they take action. Even then our only recourse against bad moves is to boycott the team and essentially punish them by punishing ourselves.

[younggunsmn]

In reality, the Rudy Gobert trade was made prior to the new CBA, and staying in the Second Apron longterm was not sustainable. Tim Connelly believed that it was the right decision for the team (which I think is understandable), and so the trade was made. Glen was not actively trying to trade KAT, he loved the guy.

Frankly, the idea that Glen was penny pinching is just really silly. The dude ate ten million dollars on waiving Keita Bates-Diop so Tim Connelly could keep P.J. Dozier instead. Minnesota absolutely should have either kept KBD or shipped him alongside a second to save the money, but Glen was willing toto take the financial hit to save the second.

In reality having 3 max contract players in this market was NEVER going to be sustainable, old CBA or new CBA.
It was a batfeces crazy trade from the moment it was made and a horrible misallocation of resources.
We drafted and then traded away a guy who was going to make like a total of 13 million dollars over 4 years and give you at the very least 80% of what Rudy Gobert would, who when his rookie contract is up is only 25 and getting better while Gobert is 35 and falling off a cliff.

The only reason to do something that stupid is if TC preferred Gobert and was looking to trade KAT from the very beginning, which might be the case or at least have a grain of truth to it.

But it's a good point about Glen always trusting his GM's, for better or for worse.
An owner like Mark Cuban, who has a little basketball sense, would have definitely vetoed both of those trades.

Tim Connelly is a horrible GM who has built a career off of drafting Jokic.
He's the type of GM who is completely cleaned out 15 minutes after walking into a Casino.
I imagine working for the cheap Kroenkes limited a lot of the dumb crap he wanted to do in Denver.

[Baseline81]

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[guest81]

They are not. The only source for lore and arod being poor are from the glen taylor camp. Ant as it turns out as usual based on today, that Glen is usually full of crap

That is not true at all. Forbes and all the national, independent sources question Lore’s wealth, and all agree ARod doesn’t have the bucks. None of those are “in Taylor’s camp.” You can’t just ignore info you don’t like, and say, “it must all be lies from Taylor.”

And the NBA’s history of ex-athletes interfering with their GMs is not good. If you don’t remember Jordan, you must know about Matt Ischbia going out to get Bradley Beal.

Or you could you know look at the real world evidence of them having 2+ years to line up capital and still missing every important deadline and having multiple super wealthy individuals and hedge funds take a look at investing and then give a hard pass.

I hope all you "Never Taylors" enjoy what the next few years are going to be like with 2 guys who cosplay as billionaires owning the team.

If this were true they wouldn't have won the case! Come on people

[thinktank]

The biggest thing not being talked about is Taylor was in the wrong here and caused this whole ownership mess.

If he would’ve followed the contract of sale, this would have been over a year ago.

That’s all on Taylor.

Not to mention, the leaked projection, which he called a “plan”, and then agreeing to get under the cap and trade KAT anyway. That’s hypocritical as all get out. Period.

He has a history of poor decision-making and losing and he added to that history with his decision not to sell when he was contractually obligated to do exactly that.

[Klomp]

That is not true at all. Forbes and all the national, independent sources question Lore’s wealth, and all agree ARod doesn’t have the bucks. None of those are “in Taylor’s camp.” You can’t just ignore info you don’t like, and say, “it must all be lies from Taylor.”

And the NBA’s history of ex-athletes interfering with their GMs is not good. If you don’t remember Jordan, you must know about Matt Ischbia going out to get Bradley Beal.

Or you could you know look at the real world evidence of them having 2+ years to line up capital and still missing every important deadline and having multiple super wealthy individuals and hedge funds take a look at investing and then give a hard pass.

I hope all you "Never Taylors" enjoy what the next few years are going to be like with 2 guys who cosplay as billionaires owning the team.

If this were true they wouldn't have won the case! Come on people

THANK YOU!

The "deadline" argument really can't be used, because it was an option granted to them in the terms of the contract, which the arbiters ruled that they abided by.

[guest81]

Or you could you know look at the real world evidence of them having 2+ years to line up capital and still missing every important deadline and having multiple super wealthy individuals and hedge funds take a look at investing and then give a hard pass.

I hope all you "Never Taylors" enjoy what the next few years are going to be like with 2 guys who cosplay as billionaires owning the team.

If this were true they wouldn't have won the case! Come on people

THANK YOU!

The "deadline" argument really can't be used, because it was an option granted to them in the terms of the contract, which the arbiters ruled that they abided by.

Glens position was that lore and arod didn't have the money and missed deadlines, lore and arods position was that Glen had buyers remourse for selling so low. They brought it to arbitration and they ruled that lore and arod was correct. Glens claims are wrong there's no more reason to assert it as fact

[thinktank]

That is not true at all. Forbes and all the national, independent sources question Lore’s wealth...

Here's Forbes from three days ago:

"Marc Lore became a billionaire by refusing to stick to one thing for too long."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/phoebeliu/2025/02/08/how-serial-entrepreneur-marc-lore-billionaire-wonder-timberwolves/

Forbes says Lore is a billionaire. Forbes is not "questioning Lore's wealth". No, sir.

" As of this year, Forbes estimates Marc Lore's net worth to be at $3.3 billion." https://blog.earlychirp.com/marc-lore-billionaire-d86cace9d0e8

In fact, I'm finding sources that say he's worth 4 billion now.

This was all told to you last March but you didn't believe it.

So, do you believe it now, shrink?

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That is not true at all. Forbes and all the national, independent sources question Lore’s wealth, and all agree ARod doesn’t have the bucks. None of those are “in Taylor’s camp.” You can’t just ignore info you don’t like, and say, “it must all be lies from Taylor.”

And the NBA’s history of ex-athletes interfering with their GMs is not good. If you don’t remember Jordan, you must know about Matt Ischbia going out to get Bradley Beal.

Or you could you know look at the real world evidence of them having 2+ years to line up capital and still missing every important deadline and having multiple super wealthy individuals and hedge funds take a look at investing and then give a hard pass.

I hope all you "Never Taylors" enjoy what the next few years are going to be like with 2 guys who cosplay as billionaires owning the team.

If this were true they wouldn't have won the case! Come on people

The total wealth of ARod and Lore wasn’t what the case was about. It was about whether ARod and Lore were paying Taylor on time, according to the terms of the contract. The arbitrators decided that they were meeting the terms of the contract.

[thinktank]

Or you could you know look at the real world evidence of them having 2+ years to line up capital and still missing every important deadline and having multiple super wealthy individuals and hedge funds take a look at investing and then give a hard pass.

I hope all you "Never Taylors" enjoy what the next few years are going to be like with 2 guys who cosplay as billionaires owning the team.

If this were true they wouldn't have won the case! Come on people

The total wealth of ARod and Lore wasn’t what the case was about. It was about whether ARod and Lore were paying Taylor on time, according to the terms of the contract. The arbitrators decided that they were meeting the terms of the contract.

It’s good that Taylor leaked a projection as a “plan” if it wasn’t about that.