Ban Howard Mass: The new draft thread

[Klomp]

Right now my draft board is

Rose
Lopez
Beasley
Hibbert

[horaceworthy]

Durant was the only player on Texas taller than 6'7 getting significant minutes, thus he was the tallest player on his team on the court for the majority of the time. When you're the tallest player on your team that plays a significant amount of minutes, you SHOULD be getting the most rebounds.

Look at Durant now, he's grabbing 4.2 boards a game. Obviously its only his rookie season and his rebounding numbers will go up (sitting at 6-8 in his prime), but what I'm trying to say is you guys need to look past these gaudy rebounding numbers Beasley is putting up because it isn't likely to translate to the NBA.

Most rebounds on his team? Sure (although that didn't work out too well for Spencer Hawes last year). Most rebounds in the nation just because you're the tallest player on your team? No. How often does a freshman in one of the power conferences lead the nation in rebounding? I think it's a rare enough occurrence that I don't see how it's "nothing special" or a decent argument. He's averaging 4.3 offensive rebounds per game, so it isn't as if he's simply benefitting from being the tallest guy on his team on the defensive glass. If he were pulling down something like 9rpg, then I could see your point and might think you've got a solid argument on your hands, but at 12.6 and (once again, for emphasis) leading the nation in that category, I think it's sort of grasping at straws.

The defensive and positional concerns about him are legitimate. He can create from the perimeter on offense, so he could likely handle that facet of the 3, but whether or not he can defend the position won't be answered this season, as he's having too much success playing the 4/5 to switch things up now. The "fit" arguments are also legitimate, I just don't agree with them. I don't think we're good enough to worry about fit yet, and I prefer BPA over drafting for need most of the time anyway.

In regards to Durant, Durant was productive enough last year to make a case to knock Greg Oden off the #1 spot. Oden had held for years, often being viewed as the best prospect since LeBron. Beasley's been even more productive than Durant was. Durant's shouldered as big a load as just about any 19 year old has in the NBA, and he's done okay with it. Beasley's got a similarly well rounded offensive repertoire, and his body is much more ready for the NBA. Also, as WG pointed out, Durant's playing away from the basket much of the time in Seattle, as a shooting guard.

[Krapinsky]

Right now my draft board is

Rose
Lopez
Beasley
Hibbert

Hmm... that's the first time I've seen anyone put Lopez over Beasley. Seems kind of ridiculous to me. I would just take the best player (Beasley), and either trade him for a lower pick (Lopez) or another player that fills a need. I think the the disparity between Beasley and Lopez, even if drafted back to back, is worth at least a future first.

[TheFranchise21]

Hibbert has very limited potential. I can't see him getting significantly better than he already is right now. I honestly think he might've already reached his ceiling. His numbers are the same, if not slightly down from last year.

[collin_k41]

If we have a chance at beasley we have to take him. Then we NEED to get a pick in the upper teens to take a center.

PG:Telfair/foye
SG:Foye/Mccants
SF:Brewer/Beasley
PF:Beasley/Jefferson
C:Jefferson/(C via draft)

I really think there are a lot of possibilities for good rotations with this lineup. Foye can play the 1 or 2. Brewer can play the 2 or 3. Beasley can play the 3 or 4. Big Al can play the 4 or 5. There are a lot of ways to mix it up with this lineup.

[Klomp]

When was the last time the top overall pick was traded?

[deeney0]

Immediately? Chris Webber.

[Klomp]

No, I mean the team actually traded the pick.



Wash. St. - Stanford on FSN, just starting.

[collin_k41]

Beasley just dropped 39 and 11.

[Klomp]

Ryan Wittman is a member of first team to earn a bid into the final 65.

[wolves_fan_82au]

Beasley just dropped 39 and 11.

Tyrese Rice of boston college scored 46
Rose also had 23 points (7-8) 6 assists
A.J. Ogilvy 20 points 6 rebs 2 blocks

[slinky]

horace, i agree with you that BPA is usually the best way to go, but i disagree that we shouldnt pick on need this year.

First off, Beasley should not play 5, and neither should Jefferson. I also dont think Beasley can defend at the 3. Because of that I rule him out of any draft discussion, personally. He might be the BPA, but we have our PF of the future. IF he is the clear cut stud of the draft, than teams will want him and they might pay heavily for him, more importantly Miami will take him and leave Rose to us.

I also think a drafting Beasley would come at the expense of Ryan Gomes, which i am not down for. For me Rose+Gomes >> Beasley.

I agree with rev's comments regarding Rose being able to create. I believe that star PG's are harder to come by than PF's with beasley's skills. Beasley has been far more dominant than Rose this year, but I think beasley's physical dominance will be SOMEWHAT negated when he starts to play against bigger stronger players in the NBA.

I am not ready to give up on Foye at PG, and I still want to resign telfair, but I think a 4 guard rotation with Rose, Foye, Telfair, Mccants would be very effective because I think any combination of them could play together at one time without much drop off in production.

[prefuse73]

Beasley just dropped 39 and 11.

with no assists and a loss. I like Beasley, but he is simply not right for our team. Big Al has to be a PF / backup C if we are a legit playoff team in the future and there is no C in the draft that knocks my socks off. Each one has a major liability. The closest thing to a complete C is Lopez, but I would rather trade our 2 2nd rounders for a late first and grab Devon Hardin. He is athletic, plays strong defense and rebounds...thats all we need next to Big Al.

My ultimate draft would be Rose and Hardin. period.

Hardin - Jefferson - Richard
Jefferson - Gomes
Brewer - Jaric
Foye - McCants
Rose - Foye

[Worm Guts]

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with no assists and a loss.

He also didn't die and rise up 3 days later. What a chump, he's not even as good as Jesus.

[Devilzsidewalk]

top 5 - March 5, 2008

Beasley

[C.lupus]

^Devilz's back. Where've you been?

[B Calrissian]

I also think a drafting Beasley would come at the expense of Ryan Gomes, which i am not down for. For me Rose+Gomes >> Beasley.

To be fair wouldn't it be Rose+Gomes or Beasley+Telfair? Since drafting Rose would probably come at the expense of Telfair.

[dunkonu21]

For everyone who is not sure if they would draft Brook Lopez...for example me. Watch Lopez go up against Kevin Love tonight at 10 central on FSN...should be a real test for him, see if he chokes or not.

[revprodeji]

Both Lopez and Love looked good. If we get screwed into a 6-7 pick range those guys should be on our board. Or if we trade for another pick.

[PeeDee]

I didn't really like Lopez last night. Horrible shot selection, he just threw it up there at times.