Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[KGdaBom]

If we were to just sign somebody rather than trade for somebody are we maxed out at vet minimum and anything more will suffer significant salary cap implications? Or is it we're not even allowed to go over the vet minimum?

We have the taxpayer MLE available, but I believe it puts us dangerously close to the second apron (if not slightly over?).

So we can if we so desire, but are likely to go with discretion being the better part of valor.

[shrink]

If we were to just sign somebody rather than trade for somebody are we maxed out at vet minimum and anything more will suffer significant salary cap implications? Or is it we're not even allowed to go over the vet minimum?

We have the taxpayer MLE available, but I believe it puts us dangerously close to the second apron (if not slightly over?).

If it put us over, it would be illegal. Using any part of the MLE triggers the second apron.

[Klomp]

If we were to just sign somebody rather than trade for somebody are we maxed out at vet minimum and anything more will suffer significant salary cap implications? Or is it we're not even allowed to go over the vet minimum?

We have the taxpayer MLE available, but I believe it puts us dangerously close to the second apron (if not slightly over?).

If it put us over, it would be illegal. Using any part of the MLE triggers the second apron.

Thanks. I thought that was the case, but KGdabom doesn't like when journalists speak in absolutes.

Taxpayer MLE: $5,685,000
Room under apron: $5,858,261

[KGdaBom]

We have the taxpayer MLE available, but I believe it puts us dangerously close to the second apron (if not slightly over?).

If it put us over, it would be illegal. Using any part of the MLE triggers the second apron.

Thanks. I thought that was the case, but KGdabom doesn't like when journalists speak in absolutes.

Taxpayer MLE: $5,685,000
Room under apron: $5,858,261

I have no problem with journalists speaking in absolutes when the situation is absolute.
If your numbers are correct it looks absolute that we could do it.

[Klomp]

If it put us over, it would be illegal. Using any part of the MLE triggers the second apron.

Thanks. I thought that was the case, but KGdabom doesn't like when journalists speak in absolutes.

Taxpayer MLE: $5,685,000
Room under apron: $5,858,261

I have no problem with journalists speaking in absolutes when the situation is absolute.
If your numbers are correct it looks absolute that we could do it.

Sure, it's technically legal, but it gives zero room to add salary of any kind during the season. Basically, I think we'd have room for one 10-day contract. They'd have to be pretty convicted about a guy in order to give out the taxpayer MLE at this point.

[KGdaBom]

Thanks. I thought that was the case, but KGdabom doesn't like when journalists speak in absolutes.

Taxpayer MLE: $5,685,000
Room under apron: $5,858,261

I have no problem with journalists speaking in absolutes when the situation is absolute.
If your numbers are correct it looks absolute that we could do it.

Sure, it's technically legal, but it gives zero room to add salary of any kind during the season. Basically, I think we'd have room for one 10-day contract. They'd have to be pretty convicted about a guy in order to give out the taxpayer MLE at this point.

Absolutely.

[Wolveswin]

Randle/DDV/Clark

FOR

Tobias/Ivey/Duren/1st

Ok, let’s set this up…

Longterm Ivey pushes Dilly for starting PG - other comes off bench as 6th man. Edwards could be oldest player in longterm starting backcourt and 6th man roles.

Duren is depth at C (and some PF). Beringer is promising, but super raw. And dare I say in a year, Duren and Beringer combo could make Gobert expendable???

Gobert/Duren/Beringer
Reid/Tobias/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Ivey/Shannon
Conley/Ivey or Dilly

[frankenwolf]

Randle/DDV/Clark

FOR

Tobias/Ivey/Duren/1st

Ok, let’s set this up…

Longterm Ivey pushes Dilly for starting PG - other comes off bench as 6th man. Edwards could be oldest player in longterm starting backcourt and 6th man roles.

Duren is depth at C (and some PF). Beringer is promising, but super raw. And dare I say in a year, Duren and Beringer combo could make Gobert expendable???

Gobert/Duren/Beringer
Reid/Tobias/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Ivey/Shannon
Conley/Ivey or Dilly

IDK, I kind of like it, but I'm not really sure it enables us to take the step up to championship. I feel we are really close with the group we have, as long as Dilly & Beringer fulfill their potential.

OTOH, we may take a step back this year, but we could be better going forward than this current group.
Glad it's not my decision to make.

[minimus]

Randle/DDV/Clark

FOR

Tobias/Ivey/Duren/1st

Ok, let’s set this up…

Longterm Ivey pushes Dilly for starting PG - other comes off bench as 6th man. Edwards could be oldest player in longterm starting backcourt and 6th man roles.

Duren is depth at C (and some PF). Beringer is promising, but super raw. And dare I say in a year, Duren and Beringer combo could make Gobert expendable???

Gobert/Duren/Beringer
Reid/Tobias/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Ivey/Shannon
Conley/Ivey or Dilly

IDK, I kind of like it, but I'm not really sure it enables us to take the step up to championship. I feel we are really close with the group we have, as long as Dilly & Beringer fulfill their potential.

OTOH, we may take a step back this year, but we could be better going forward than this current group.
Glad it's not my decision to make.

Replace Randle with Gobert, let DET keep their 1st.

Gobert, DDV, Miller for Duren and Tobias, Ivey

Düren/Reid/Beringer + Rocco
Randle/Harris/McDaniels
McDaniels/TJ/Clark
Edwards/Ivey/Clark
Conley/Dillingham/Ivey

This is a lot of offensive and defensive versatility.

Next year Harris is expiring, if Düren plays well give him Jarrett Allen type of extension 91/3 30 AAV, so even 120/4 would be great. Let Harris go, let Conley enjoy his retirement.

Düren/Beringer/Rocco
Randle/Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/TJ/Clark
Edwards/Ivey/Clark
Ivey/Dillingham + ???

I like continuity of this roster a lot.

[Wolveswin]

Randle/DDV/Clark

FOR

Tobias/Ivey/Duren/1st

Ok, let’s set this up…

Longterm Ivey pushes Dilly for starting PG - other comes off bench as 6th man. Edwards could be oldest player in longterm starting backcourt and 6th man roles.

Duren is depth at C (and some PF). Beringer is promising, but super raw. And dare I say in a year, Duren and Beringer combo could make Gobert expendable???

Gobert/Duren/Beringer
Reid/Tobias/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Ivey/Shannon
Conley/Ivey or Dilly

IDK, I kind of like it, but I'm not really sure it enables us to take the step up to championship. I feel we are really close with the group we have, as long as Dilly & Beringer fulfill their potential.

OTOH, we may take a step back this year, but we could be better going forward than this current group.
Glad it's not my decision to make.

Replace Randle with Gobert, let DET keep their 1st.

Gobert, DDV, Miller for Duren and Tobias, Ivey

Düren/Reid/Beringer + Rocco
Randle/Harris/McDaniels
McDaniels/TJ/Clark
Edwards/Ivey/Clark
Conley/Dillingham/Ivey

This is a lot of offensive and defensive versatility.

Next year Harris is expiring, if Düren plays well give him Jarrett Allen type of extension 91/3 30 AAV, so even 120/4 would be great. Let Harris go, let Conley enjoy his retirement.

Düren/Beringer/Rocco
Randle/Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/TJ/Clark
Edwards/Ivey/Clark
Ivey/Dillingham + ???

I like continuity of this roster a lot.

Pistons would be left without a PF. Not sure they do your deal.

[Wolveswin]

Here we go, I think the perfect roster outcome trade…would Hawks say yes? I think Wolves needs to add value, would Hawks want Dilly (Dilly for Bufkin swap)???

To Hawks: Gobert/DDV

To Wolves: Daniels/KP

Hawks would look legit in weak East:
Gobert/Okongwu
JJ
Risacher
NAW/DDV/Kennard
Trae

Wolves would have a well rounded young core:
KP/Reid/Beringer
Randle/Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Daniels/TSJ
Daniels/Conley/Dilly

[winforlose]

Here we go, I think the perfect roster outcome trade…would Hawks say yes? I think Wolves needs to add value, would Hawks want Dilly (Dilly for Bufkin swap)???

To Hawks: Gobert/DDV

To Wolves: Daniels/KP

Hawks would look legit in weak East:
Gobert/Okongwu
JJ
Risacher
NAW/DDV/Kennard
Trae

Wolves would have a well rounded young core:
KP/Reid/Beringer
Randle/Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Daniels/TSJ
Daniels/Conley/Dilly

KP cannot stay healthy and is therefore a net negative. Daniels is better than DDV but not the difference between Rudy and KP. I wouldn’t touch this.

[Wolveswin]

Here we go, I think the perfect roster outcome trade…would Hawks say yes? I think Wolves needs to add value, would Hawks want Dilly (Dilly for Bufkin swap)???

To Hawks: Gobert/DDV

To Wolves: Daniels/KP

Hawks would look legit in weak East:
Gobert/Okongwu
JJ
Risacher
NAW/DDV/Kennard
Trae

Wolves would have a well rounded young core:
KP/Reid/Beringer
Randle/Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Daniels/TSJ
Daniels/Conley/Dilly

KP cannot stay healthy and is therefore a net negative. Daniels is better than DDV but not the difference between Rudy and KP. I wouldn’t touch this.

I love Daniels as future longterm core starting guard next to Edwards. I think he has way more impact and value than DDV. KP is a risk for sure - need to give to get.

[KGdaBom]

Here we go, I think the perfect roster outcome trade…would Hawks say yes? I think Wolves needs to add value, would Hawks want Dilly (Dilly for Bufkin swap)???

To Hawks: Gobert/DDV

To Wolves: Daniels/KP

Hawks would look legit in weak East:
Gobert/Okongwu
JJ
Risacher
NAW/DDV/Kennard
Trae

Wolves would have a well rounded young core:
KP/Reid/Beringer
Randle/Reid/McDaniels
McDaniels/Edwards/Miller
Edwards/Daniels/TSJ
Daniels/Conley/Dilly

KP cannot stay healthy and is therefore a net negative. Daniels is better than DDV but not the difference between Rudy and KP. I wouldn’t touch this.

I love Daniels as future longterm core starting guard next to Edwards. I think he has way more impact and value than DDV. KP is a risk for sure - need to give to get.

I love Zingers game, but asking for him to stay healthy is kind of like having a pet Unicorn.

[cmoss84]

This one is slightly off, but you get the idea of the framework:
Atl IN: Rudy and JJJr
Atl OUT: Okongwu and Daniels

Mia IN: Randle and Okongwu
Mia OUT: Rozier, JJJr, and Ware

MN IN: Rozier, Daniels, and Ware
MN OUT: Rudy and Randle

[Wolveswin]

This one is slightly off, but you get the idea of the framework:
Atl IN: Rudy and JJJr
Atl OUT: Okongwu and Daniels

Mia IN: Randle and Okongwu
Mia OUT: Rozier, JJJr, and Ware

MN IN: Rozier, Daniels, and Ware
MN OUT: Rudy and Randle

Who is starting center for Wolves?

[cmoss84]

This one is slightly off, but you get the idea of the framework:
Atl IN: Rudy and JJJr
Atl OUT: Okongwu and Daniels

Mia IN: Randle and Okongwu
Mia OUT: Rozier, JJJr, and Ware

MN IN: Rozier, Daniels, and Ware
MN OUT: Rudy and Randle

Who is starting center for Wolves?

Ant/Daniels/Jaden/Naz/Ware
Starting 5

[KGdaBom]

This one is slightly off, but you get the idea of the framework:
Atl IN: Rudy and JJJr
Atl OUT: Okongwu and Daniels

Mia IN: Randle and Okongwu
Mia OUT: Rozier, JJJr, and Ware

MN IN: Rozier, Daniels, and Ware
MN OUT: Rudy and Randle

No, No, a million times no. Rudy and Randle??? No.

[KGdaBom]

This one is slightly off, but you get the idea of the framework:
Atl IN: Rudy and JJJr
Atl OUT: Okongwu and Daniels

Mia IN: Randle and Okongwu
Mia OUT: Rozier, JJJr, and Ware

MN IN: Rozier, Daniels, and Ware
MN OUT: Rudy and Randle

Who is starting center for Wolves?

Le Berricade.

[winforlose]

This one is slightly off, but you get the idea of the framework:
Atl IN: Rudy and JJJr
Atl OUT: Okongwu and Daniels

Mia IN: Randle and Okongwu
Mia OUT: Rozier, JJJr, and Ware

MN IN: Rozier, Daniels, and Ware
MN OUT: Rudy and Randle

Terry is bad money. He is an expiring but we don’t want that money to expire and it won’t be productive (meaning he won’t have direct resale, only usable as taking back long term bad money.) Daniels is good but I am not sure he is a starting PG who can create for Ant. Ant does not want to run the point and he does not want to be bringing the ball up all the time. Ware is a very interesting player and I see Miami moving bam before they move him. All in all this is a step back deal as the two returns are younger. I don’t see Ant being cool going from WCFs twice in a row to 1st round exit.