Kevin Love Free Agency/Trade Thread

BleedGreen1989 · Post #1501 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:17 pm

It's funny to read teams pitching that their teams package is the "best", like Minnesota fans are going to all agree and call Flip up to make the deal..

verbal8 · Post #1502 » by **verbal8** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:52 pm

sisibilio wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Stop the rebuilding BS, get a direct Love replacement and move forward, we were growing as a team, and now Love wants to nix it? GTFO KL.
anyway, Houston is the most realistic option for Love to resign with: a good roster plus his butt buddy as a coach.
so
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ne3kbqy

Rubio/Lin
Brewer/Martin
Parsons/Bud
Horford/???
Pek/Dieng/Ronny

Plus our pick to play with

Move forward, I don't want to make 3 steps back and then hope to make up ground. Cheering for lotto balls again?

That's beyond horrible for Atlanta.

Yeah they would need to cut Houston out and get Love for themselves. Horford plus pick for Love would be an interesting deal.

cedric76 · Post #1503 » by **cedric76** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:04 pm

Streakers33 wrote:Orlando #3 & #12 and AA for love ? Would they seriously wanna speed up their rebuild in a bad east?

Wow, Orl would never do that

Merc_Porto · Post #1504 » by **Merc_Porto** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:37 pm

So many possible offers by a lot of Threads :

Boston : 5th pick + Sullinger + Bogans + ???
Lakers : 6th pick + ??? +
G.State : K.Thompson + H.Barnes + D.Lee (Love + Budinger or K.Martin)
Chicago : T.Gibson + Mirotic or J.Butler + 16th picl + 19th pick
Cleveland : T.Thompson + Waiters + Varejão or Benett + 9th pick
Knicks : They got nothing, but i dont know. They talk abou the interested by P.Jackson.
Phoenix : A bunch of late picks + Frye + ??? (that could interested if they included Bledsoe)
Rockets : Parsons + T.Jones + 1st round pick

IMO teams that do not have pieces right now for Love : Phoenix - Knicks - Lakers (right now)
IMO teams that i dont like the deal : Cleveland - Phoenix - Rockets -
IMO Deals that could be interested - Boston - Chicago - G.State

Sorry if i miss something.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1505 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:48 pm

sisibilio wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Stop the rebuilding BS, get a direct Love replacement and move forward, we were growing as a team, and now Love wants to nix it? GTFO KL.
anyway, Houston is the most realistic option for Love to resign with: a good roster plus his butt buddy as a coach.
so
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ne3kbqy

Rubio/Lin
Brewer/Martin
Parsons/Bud
Horford/???
Pek/Dieng/Ronny

Plus our pick to play with

Move forward, I don't want to make 3 steps back and then hope to make up ground. Cheering for lotto balls again?

That's beyond horrible for Atlanta.

How is it beyond horrible for them? That's a good package for good player, not a superstar, which Horford really is. Hawks may decline but don't tell me it's beyond horrible. Anyway, I really like Horford and would add pick#13 if Hawks want more.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #1506 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:52 pm

verbal8 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:
Turnover_21 wrote:Stop the rebuilding BS, get a direct Love replacement and move forward, we were growing as a team, and now Love wants to nix it? GTFO KL.
anyway, Houston is the most realistic option for Love to resign with: a good roster plus his butt buddy as a coach.
so
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ne3kbqy

Rubio/Lin
Brewer/Martin
Parsons/Bud
Horford/???
Pek/Dieng/Ronny

Plus our pick to play with

Move forward, I don't want to make 3 steps back and then hope to make up ground. Cheering for lotto balls again?

That's beyond horrible for Atlanta.

Yeah they would need to cut Houston out and get Love for themselves. Horford plus pick for Love would be an interesting deal.

And why would Love resign in Atlanta? Houston is one of the places where Love would be a near lock resigning. Atlanta is a joke destination for Love and they know it and would be crazy to lose Horford and a pick for rental of Love.

KG_And1 · Post #1507 » by **KG_And1** » Tue May 20, 2014 2:58 pm

mercgold3 wrote:So many possible offers by a lot of Threads :

Boston : 5th pick + Sullinger + Bogans + ???
Lakers : 6th pick + ??? +
G.State : K.Thompson + H.Barnes + D.Lee (Love + Budinger or K.Martin)
Chicago : T.Gibson + Mirotic or J.Butler + 16th picl + 19th pick
Cleveland : T.Thompson + Waiters + Varejão or Benett + 9th pick
Knicks : They got nothing, but i dont know. They talk abou the interested by P.Jackson.
Phoenix : A bunch of late picks + Frye + ??? (that could interested if they included Bledsoe)
Rockets : Parsons + T.Jones + 1st round pick

IMO teams that do not have pieces right now for Love : Phoenix - Knicks - Lakers (right now)
IMO teams that i dont like the deal : Cleveland - Phoenix - Rockets -
IMO Deals that could be interested - Boston - Chicago - G.State

Sorry if i miss something.

Only 2 deals I'd consider.

Houston would need to add something else though. Perhaps Asik to a third team and another first coming the Wolves' way.

Question:

Does anyone think the Wolves have a chance to KEEP Kevin Love? Be it by winning the Draft Lottery and getting a top 3 pick and trading for a star player, or making a trade to acquire another star player with current assets? The Wolves then vault into a top 4 team in the West and the future looks promising? No? :crazy:

JonFromVA · Post #1508 » by **JonFromVA** » Tue May 20, 2014 3:25 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:It's funny to read teams pitching that their teams package is the "best", like Minnesota fans are going to all agree and call Flip up to make the deal..

Yeah, I check other team's boards because I want an independent/outside view; not just to hear the same group thinking going on at my team's boards.

Note30 · Post #1509 » by **Note30** » Tue May 20, 2014 3:32 pm

KG_And1 wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:So many possible offers by a lot of Threads :

Boston : 5th pick + Sullinger + Bogans + ???
Lakers : 6th pick + ??? +
G.State : K.Thompson + H.Barnes + D.Lee (Love + Budinger or K.Martin)
Chicago : T.Gibson + Mirotic or J.Butler + 16th picl + 19th pick
Cleveland : T.Thompson + Waiters + Varejão or Benett + 9th pick
Knicks : They got nothing, but i dont know. They talk abou the interested by P.Jackson.
Phoenix : A bunch of late picks + Frye + ??? (that could interested if they included Bledsoe)
Rockets : Parsons + T.Jones + 1st round pick

IMO teams that do not have pieces right now for Love : Phoenix - Knicks - Lakers (right now)
IMO teams that i dont like the deal : Cleveland - Phoenix - Rockets -
IMO Deals that could be interested - Boston - Chicago - G.State

Sorry if i miss something.

Only 2 deals I'd consider.

Houston would need to add something else though. Perhaps Asik to a third team and another first coming the Wolves' way.

Question:

Does anyone think the Wolves have a chance to KEEP Kevin Love? Be it by winning the Draft Lottery and getting a top 3 pick and trading for a star player, or making a trade to acquire another star player with current assets? The Wolves then vault into a top 4 team in the West and the future looks promising? No?

Not so high on the GS trade. Its an aging double double guy and a young Kevin Martin who plays defense for a superstar double double guy and an old Kevin Martin. Harrison Barnes is negligible. Its essentially leaving the Wolves where they are now. Nowhere. between 11 and 8. Its just not worth it.

I think the Wolves would have a shot if a superstar was brought to the team (i.e. Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis etc.) which is NOT going to happen. As far as the Lottery goes. Its 96 percent chance the Wolves stay where they are. It would be amazing if they got the top 3 but its just not going to happen.

Takingbaconback · Post #1510 » by **Takingbaconback** » Tue May 20, 2014 3:53 pm

Wow klay thompson is seriously underrated on this board. if you consider klay to be a streaky shooter, so is everybody minus lebron and durant. Also he is one of the best defensive sg in the league. These comparisons to korver and waiters are terrible. I guess every SG/undersized shooting SF in the league is suddenly the same thing or some thing.

In2ition · Post #1511 » by **In2ition** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:04 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Mattya wrote:What's the difference between getting outed in the first or second round with the Warriors or the first or second round with the Celtics?

This. And just by virtue of being in the Eastern Conference, he has a higher chance of winning a title than he would with the Warriors, or Suns, or Rockets, etc..

Wait, what?!?

Wolves_Nation · Post #1512 » by **Wolves_Nation** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:06 pm

In2ition wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
Mattya wrote:What's the difference between getting outed in the first or second round with the Warriors or the first or second round with the Celtics?

This. And just by virtue of being in the Eastern Conference, he has a higher chance of winning a title than he would with the Warriors, or Suns, or Rockets, etc..

Wait, what?!?

Because the East is so much worse, it makes it easier for a run...

kmgarnett21 · Post #1513 » by **kmgarnett21** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:11 pm

I haven't been following this thread page by page. It exploded within the past 24 hours so I'm not going to catch up.

I think the best scenario is a Boston-Minnesota trade (again). And this is all probably a pipe dream anyways.

Love + Barea
for
#1 pick + Green
(and whatever fillers need to be thrown in from either side to make it work)

Then Minnesota drafts Aaron Gordon with the 5th pick (if it stays there) and Doug McDermott with their own pick. Address backup PG in free agency or maybe find a steal with one of our 3 second rounders.

Rubio/free agency-draft?/Shved
Martin/Brewer
Green/Budinger/Bazz
Gordon/Cunningham
Pekovic/Dieng

I don't know Green's contract status. But Gordon and Green provide the athleticism and defense that the Wolves have needed from their forward positions. I also think Green and Gordon are the perfect type of players that Rubio needs to really thrive.

NBAexec · Post #1514 » by **NBAexec** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:25 pm

minimus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Wow dion waiters is almost as good as klay thompson? Waiters has a higher ceiling? Sorry but you just ruined your credibility when it comes to evaluating players. Or you are the biggest homer in the world lol

Best deal for Minny is Thompson and Lee. In fact trading Pek away and starting Dieng and drafting at 13 would make a better team than this year. Martin could be moved or relegated to 6th man off the bench but I doubt he would embrace that role.

I like Klay Thompson shooting effiency. However he has been developing in good environment, can't say this about Waiters. So Klay Thompson is more developed at the moment, and he fits perfectly with Rubio. Waiters is different type of player, he is more shot creator, he is more aggresive, creative. So just need to understand what we need more: good shooter or creative scorer.

Sure. And Klay is one heck of a player and shooter don't get me wrong. But don't act like Waiters value is far off from Klay. It is pretty close, because Dion is also a good player. Waiters can shoot too, not as well as Klay obviously, but he can attack the basket and run in transition better. It is up to what a team wants. However, not sure it matters much since I just saw that the Warriors don't plan on offering Klay in a trade.

Esohny · Post #1515 » by **Esohny** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:27 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:Wow klay thompson is seriously underrated on this board. if you consider klay to be a streaky shooter, so is everybody minus lebron and durant. Also he is one of the best defensive sg in the league. These comparisons to korver and waiters are terrible. I guess every SG/undersized shooting SF in the league is suddenly the same thing or some thing.

Where is that coming from? I'd love to read the argument for why/how that is true.

Takingbaconback · Post #1516 » by **Takingbaconback** » Tue May 20, 2014 4:41 pm

NBAexec wrote:
minimus wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Wow dion waiters is almost as good as klay thompson? Waiters has a higher ceiling? Sorry but you just ruined your credibility when it comes to evaluating players. Or you are the biggest homer in the world lol

Best deal for Minny is Thompson and Lee. In fact trading Pek away and starting Dieng and drafting at 13 would make a better team than this year. Martin could be moved or relegated to 6th man off the bench but I doubt he would embrace that role.

I like Klay Thompson shooting effiency. However he has been developing in good environment, can't say this about Waiters. So Klay Thompson is more developed at the moment, and he fits perfectly with Rubio. Waiters is different type of player, he is more shot creator, he is more aggresive, creative. So just need to understand what we need more: good shooter or creative scorer.

Sure. And Klay is one heck of a player and shooter don't get me wrong. But don't act like Waiters value is far off from Klay. It is pretty close, because Dion is also a good player. Waiters can shoot too, not as well as Klay obviously, but he can attack the basket and run in transition better. It is up to what a team wants. However, not sure it matters much since I just saw that the Warriors don't plan on offering Klay in a trade.

What do you mean Waiter's trade value is close to Klay Thompsons. Post that on the trade board and see what you get. Waiters for Thompson... wow

Takingbaconback · Post #1517 » by **Takingbaconback** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:01 pm

Esohny wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Wow klay thompson is seriously underrated on this board. if you consider klay to be a streaky shooter, so is everybody minus lebron and durant. Also he is one of the best defensive sg in the league. These comparisons to korver and waiters are terrible. I guess every SG/undersized shooting SF in the league is suddenly the same thing or some thing.

Where is that coming from? I'd love to read the argument for why/how that is true.

Klay Thompson and Beal are in a league of their own when you talk about young SGs who can defend while making shots in the other end. Butler, Tony Allen, and Avery are better defenders but they aren't comfortable dribbling the ball and are limited offensive players. When you are looking for players to pair up with Ricky Rubio, Klay Thompson who is an offensive dynamo and a good defender is the best player Wolves can hope to get in this Kevin Love trade. When I watch Thompson play, he is long, strong, and he stays in front of his man consistently unlike most of the SGs in the NBA today. He also is a great rebounder for SG and is a smart player who contests shots well but that's just what I have seen from him. I was trying to find those defensive rating sites but I couldn't, could anyone check where Klay is at in terms of SG?

NBAexec · Post #1518 » by **NBAexec** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:04 pm

Well you also take into consideration that the 9th pick in the lottery would be on the table with Dion. But like I said, doesn't matter because Warriors aren't giving up Klay.

In2ition · Post #1519 » by **In2ition** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:07 pm

Wolves_Nation wrote:
In2ition wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
This. And just by virtue of being in the Eastern Conference, he has a higher chance of winning a title than he would with the Warriors, or Suns, or Rockets, etc..

Wait, what?!?

Because the East is so much worse, it makes it easier for a run...

It's easier to make the playoffs, but it's not easier to win a title in the East. That only works if all the teams in the East suck and your team happens to be the best team in the East and the league. Just because the Bobcats/Hornets made the playoffs in the East, because it's easier to make the playoffs, doesn't make it easier for them to win the title.

In2ition · Post #1520 » by **In2ition** » Tue May 20, 2014 5:12 pm

I personally think that Wolves fans should be really familiar with Dion Waiters. He used to play for them back in the day, but went by the name Isaiah Rider.