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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1501 » by Klomp » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:38 am

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Norseman79 wrote:Exactly, of course, how many legit bigs did we have to play next to him? The problem is what exactly is Wiseman? DeAndre Jordan 2.0? Dwight Howard with a jump shot?

I think if we were to draft him, he would have to show some solid on-ball ability, both offensively and defensively. But I personally would find that more likely than Okongwu to do the same, though again I could be wrong.

Are you saying that Wiseman would be a better perimeter defender than OK Express?

I don't think either is likely based on what I know today.

My reasoning behind the above statement is that I think one of them would have to completely blow the team away in workouts, to the point where the staff would see them as a unicorn.....similar to how McHale left the Garnett workout in 1995 and Saunders left the Towns workout in 2015. To me, based on my current knowledge, Wiseman is more likely to reach that status of the two.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1502 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:42 am

Coxy wrote:Do you think your GM would want to go twin towers with Wiseman?

Most of us don't think he would. I wouldn't mind.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1503 » by Neeva » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:43 am

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Neeva wrote:Time to fleece the knicks in a trade...maybe Okongwu will be there at 8?

I was thinking along those lines, not necessarily that prospect, though. Wolves move back and possibly pick up an unprotected first to replace our own going to Golden State next year.



I was thinking maybe #1 ball and Okogie for
barrett, 8 and 2021 top 5 protected pick.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1504 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:44 am

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Coxy wrote:Do you think your GM would want to go twin towers with Wiseman?

In a recent presser, he stated, if the team doesn't trade the pick, it will be for the best talent available. Due to his background with the Rockets, he said he's not afraid to double up on a position (Harden and Paul was the example).


Fair enough. I thnk Minny would regret not selecting Wiseman. He could end up taking so much pressure off KAT on both ends.

Most sources I have seen think the Warriors want Wiseman if they don't trade the pick.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1505 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:45 am

Neeva wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:
Neeva wrote:Time to fleece the knicks in a trade...maybe Okongwu will be there at 8?

I was thinking along those lines, not necessarily that prospect, though. Wolves move back and possibly pick up an unprotected first to replace our own going to Golden State next year.



I was thinking maybe #1 ball and Okogie for
barrett, 8 and 2021 top 5 protected pick.

Make it unprotected and I'm in.
Seriously I would be very happy if they'd accept your offer.
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Post#1506 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:48 am

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Coxy wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:In a recent presser, he stated, if the team doesn't trade the pick, it will be for the best talent available. Due to his background with the Rockets, he said he's not afraid to double up on a position (Harden and Paul was the example).


Fair enough. I thnk Minny would regret not selecting Wiseman. He could end up taking so much pressure off KAT on both ends.

Most sources I have seen think the Warriors want Wiseman if they don't trade the pick.

Wiseman it is then after they just had to have DLo last year
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1507 » by Coxy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:52 am

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Baseline81 wrote:In a recent presser, he stated, if the team doesn't trade the pick, it will be for the best talent available. Due to his background with the Rockets, he said he's not afraid to double up on a position (Harden and Paul was the example).


Fair enough. I thnk Minny would regret not selecting Wiseman. He could end up taking so much pressure off KAT on both ends.

Most sources I have seen think the Warriors want Wiseman if they don't trade the pick.


Really? I haven't seen them. I have read a few times the Warriors not wanting him, so who knows really.

If Wiseman is there after you guys pick, and Myers doesn't take him, I'll fly to San Fransisco and slap him, hard.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1508 » by MN7725 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:54 am

jpatrick wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Edwards can't shoot at all. He's 40% overall and under 30% from 3. What exactly do people like about him?


He’s got a beautiful stroke. Problem is he has no idea how to play and doesn’t play hard. Georgia had no structure to their offense last year and let Edwards do whatever he wanted. Led to probably the worst shot selection for any college player I’ve ever seen and resulted in low shooting percentages. If he had gone to a school with talent and structure, I’m sure those shooting percentages would be closer to 50/40 from 3 and 2.

It’s the not playing hard I struggle with. However, on the plus side side, he and Ball are two of the youngest players in the draft, each not turning 19 until this month.


Jaylen Brown is the comparison for Edwards, who had similar issues in college at Cal. Had the shot mechanics/athleticism/size that you want, but not the efficiency/results you want (similar 43/29/65 shooting splits at Cal), partly because of team, mostly because of poor decision making

The bet would be to give a him a smaller role initially like Boston did with Brown, keep things simple so the efficiency skyrockets and little by little give him more and more responsibility. The question is whether Edwards has that mentality that Brown did and whether Wolves have the coach and leadership among players to get him to buy in

I'd bet no, but its the kind of bet/risk a team needs to make on itself to jump a level
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1509 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:00 am

Coxy wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Coxy wrote:
Fair enough. I thnk Minny would regret not selecting Wiseman. He could end up taking so much pressure off KAT on both ends.

Most sources I have seen think the Warriors want Wiseman if they don't trade the pick.


Really? I haven't seen them. I have read a few times the Warriors not wanting him, so who knows really.

If Wiseman is there after you guys pick, and Myers doesn't take him, I'll fly to San Fransisco and slap him, hard.

You should do that.
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Post#1510 » by Baseline81 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:06 am

I could potentially see the Wolves picking Ball similar to what they did with Dunn. Knowing a team is in love with him and just waiting for a deal to happen, even if it's a year later.

The problem is his value may never be as high as draft night.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1511 » by Neeva » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:08 am

MN7725 wrote:
jpatrick wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Edwards can't shoot at all. He's 40% overall and under 30% from 3. What exactly do people like about him?


He’s got a beautiful stroke. Problem is he has no idea how to play and doesn’t play hard. Georgia had no structure to their offense last year and let Edwards do whatever he wanted. Led to probably the worst shot selection for any college player I’ve ever seen and resulted in low shooting percentages. If he had gone to a school with talent and structure, I’m sure those shooting percentages would be closer to 50/40 from 3 and 2.

It’s the not playing hard I struggle with. However, on the plus side side, he and Ball are two of the youngest players in the draft, each not turning 19 until this month.


Jaylen Brown is the comparison for Edwards, who had similar issues in college at Cal. Had the shot mechanics/athleticism/size that you want, but not the efficiency/results you want (similar 43/29/65 shooting splits at Cal), partly because of team, mostly because of poor decision making

The bet would be to give a him a smaller role initially like Boston did with Brown, keep things simple so the efficiency skyrockets and little by little give him more and more responsibility. The question is whether Edwards has that mentality that Brown did and whether Wolves have the coach and leadership among players to get him to buy in

I'd bet no, but its the kind of bet/risk a team needs to make on itself to jump a level



Isn’t Jaylen Brown a few inches faller though. I remember Brown in the ncaa tournament against Hawaii and he laid an egg. if Edwards is legit 6’6 and shows improved shooting , I might wanna keep him.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1512 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:13 am

Baseline81 wrote:I could potentially see the Wolves picking Ball similar to what they did with Dunn. Knowing a team is in love with him and just waiting for a deal to happen, even if it's a year later.

Interesting. I'm thinking Atlanta or New York would be a good trade match.
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Post#1513 » by Klomp » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:13 am

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D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:You take Edwards and not look back

It's been said by others before, but he does give off similar vibes to Wiggins.

A lot have said that. Does this sound like Wiggins though?

“(Edwards) did have a lot to learn and a lot to be more responsible for as a basketball player,” Crean said. “He worked really hard at that and he is one of the greatest teammates I have ever been around. In 20 years as a head coach and an assistant coach before that, he is one of the absolutely-most infectious personalities with his teammates. He wanted his teammates to be successful.”

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/tom-crean-explains-why-anthony-edwards-can-be-an-nba-all-star-and-all-defensive-player/
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1514 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:19 am

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Baseline81 wrote:
D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:You take Edwards and not look back

It's been said by others before, but he does give off similar vibes to Wiggins.

A lot have said that. Does this sound like Wiggins though?

“(Edwards) did have a lot to learn and a lot to be more responsible for as a basketball player,” Crean said. “He worked really hard at that and he is one of the greatest teammates I have ever been around. In 20 years as a head coach and an assistant coach before that, he is one of the absolutely-most infectious personalities with his teammates. He wanted his teammates to be successful.”

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/tom-crean-explains-why-anthony-edwards-can-be-an-nba-all-star-and-all-defensive-player/

That's encouraging, but he can't shoot. He's another player we would be hoping his shot improves.

I just found out something encouraging about Ball. His shot sucked when he moved overseas to play against men, but I hear his shot was always a plus before this recent season.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1515 » by jpatrick » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:22 am

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D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:You take Edwards and not look back

It's been said by others before, but he does give off similar vibes to Wiggins.

A lot have said that. Does this sound like Wiggins though?

“(Edwards) did have a lot to learn and a lot to be more responsible for as a basketball player,” Crean said. “He worked really hard at that and he is one of the greatest teammates I have ever been around. In 20 years as a head coach and an assistant coach before that, he is one of the absolutely-most infectious personalities with his teammates. He wanted his teammates to be successful.”

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/tom-crean-explains-why-anthony-edwards-can-be-an-nba-all-star-and-all-defensive-player/


I don’t think anyone is saying Edwards is a bad teammate or bad guy. I also don’t think anyone said that about Wiggins.

The similarity is the neither appeared to play hard in college, almost playing lackadaisical. Neither appear to have high BBIQ either. The fact that Wiggins is a bad NBA defender with his tools is unacceptable. Same for Edwards, he should be able to lock guys down with his length and strength, but did not last year.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1516 » by Baseline81 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:25 am

jpatrick wrote:I don’t think anyone is saying Edwards is a bad teammate or bad guy. I also don’t think anyone said that about Wiggins.

The similarity is the neither appeared to play hard in college, almost playing lackadaisical. Neither appear to have high BBIQ either. The fact that Wiggins is a bad NBA defender with his tools is unacceptable. Same for Edwards, he should be able to lock guys down with his length and strength, but did not last year.

Bingo.

If Edwards busts or isn't the impact player Minny needs, we've likely gone through Russell and Town's prime with nothing to show for it.

I am reaching a point where I offer a package like the Clippers did for George just to get a Booker or Simmons. Having those three locked in for for a several years would be quite the foundation.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1517 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:25 am

jpatrick wrote:
Klomp wrote:
Baseline81 wrote:It's been said by others before, but he does give off similar vibes to Wiggins.

A lot have said that. Does this sound like Wiggins though?

“(Edwards) did have a lot to learn and a lot to be more responsible for as a basketball player,” Crean said. “He worked really hard at that and he is one of the greatest teammates I have ever been around. In 20 years as a head coach and an assistant coach before that, he is one of the absolutely-most infectious personalities with his teammates. He wanted his teammates to be successful.”

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/tom-crean-explains-why-anthony-edwards-can-be-an-nba-all-star-and-all-defensive-player/


I don’t think anyone is saying Edwards is a bad teammate or bad guy. I also don’t think anyone said that about Wiggins.

The similarity is the neither appeared to play hard in college, almost playing lackadaisical. Neither appear to have high BBIQ either. The fact that Wiggins is a bad NBA defender with his tools is unacceptable. Same for Edwards, he should be able to lock guys down with his length and strength, but did not last year.

Yep. Not encouraging.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1518 » by shangrila » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:55 am

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Baseline81 wrote:
D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:You take Edwards and not look back

It's been said by others before, but he does give off similar vibes to Wiggins.

A lot have said that. Does this sound like Wiggins though?

“(Edwards) did have a lot to learn and a lot to be more responsible for as a basketball player,” Crean said. “He worked really hard at that and he is one of the greatest teammates I have ever been around. In 20 years as a head coach and an assistant coach before that, he is one of the absolutely-most infectious personalities with his teammates. He wanted his teammates to be successful.”

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/georgia-football/tom-crean-explains-why-anthony-edwards-can-be-an-nba-all-star-and-all-defensive-player/

When will people realise that this kind of flowery bull is just that?

His pre-game ritual could be feeding starving children and it still doesn't mean a thing when he's as dumb as a brick on the court and showed no real growth as the season progressed.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1519 » by shangrila » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:58 am

Baseline81 wrote:I could potentially see the Wolves picking Ball similar to what they did with Dunn. Knowing a team is in love with him and just waiting for a deal to happen, even if it's a year later.

The problem is his value may never be as high as draft night.

I doubt it.

Assuming you're right about the intentions behind picking Dunn (and I could argue it had more to do with Thibs not really liking Rubio) it would still have more to do with Thibs' hard on for Butler than taking a guy and just waiting for a deal to materialise.

Draft picks are, unfortunately, a lot like cars; as soon as you use them their value decreases. If you want to deal Ball your best chance is on draft night.
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Post#1520 » by thinktank » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:06 am

I also think we should package what we have and go hard after Booker.

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