Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Jedzz]

Tiny one

MIN GETS: Dennis Smith Jr, 2021 DAL 1st (lottery protected, else nothing)

NYK GETS: Omari Spellman, Jacob Evans, #33

Why for MIN? Smith has been awful every year, and it’s a long shot he improves, but I swear there is talent in there somewhere. He’s been relegated to third stringer by the Knicks, getting DNP’s and Inactives behind also-rans like a Elfrid Payton and Frank Ntilinka. He’s also paid $5.7 mil next year - we’d add $1.7 mil in payroll. However, he’s an expiring. The DAL 1st is likely to be late, but the fact that it is in 2021 helps our roster crowding. The deal is 3-for-1, and players we waive to gate down to 15 roster spots can’t be used as matching salary.

Why for NYK? They get a couple kids who were late 1st round prospects in 2018 .. Spellman could show something. According to the Trade Checker, both players fit into their TPE from Markief Morris, so Smith’s salary would create a new $5.7 mil TPE. The DAL pick is likely late faith Luka, but they slap lottery protection on it to minimize that risk. They get off of Smith.

I see this as $4 mil of Spellman + Evans > $5.7 mil Smith, and #33 < 2021 DAL 1st.

I actually really like this idea, I'd even do it without the pick swap. As you said, kinda helps with the roster crunch too.

Another pointless move imo. Just buyout Spellman/Evans if they are in our roster way.
Oh well. 3 season DSJ at least has shot slightly better than rookie Culver. I think the only way it makes sense to do is if you do the pick swap. Tunring #33 from this year into a slightly better one next in a draft where Wolves may be missing a pick would be helpful.

[Mattya]

Tiny one

MIN GETS: Dennis Smith Jr, 2021 DAL 1st (lottery protected, else nothing)

NYK GETS: Omari Spellman, Jacob Evans, #33

Why for MIN? Smith has been awful every year, and it’s a long shot he improves, but I swear there is talent in there somewhere. He’s been relegated to third stringer by the Knicks, getting DNP’s and Inactives behind also-rans like a Elfrid Payton and Frank Ntilinka. He’s also paid $5.7 mil next year - we’d add $1.7 mil in payroll. However, he’s an expiring. The DAL 1st is likely to be late, but the fact that it is in 2021 helps our roster crowding. The deal is 3-for-1, and players we waive to gate down to 15 roster spots can’t be used as matching salary.

Why for NYK? They get a couple kids who were late 1st round prospects in 2018 .. Spellman could show something. According to the Trade Checker, both players fit into their TPE from Markief Morris, so Smith’s salary would create a new $5.7 mil TPE. The DAL pick is likely late faith Luka, but they slap lottery protection on it to minimize that risk. They get off of Smith.

I see this as $4 mil of Spellman + Evans > $5.7 mil Smith, and #33 < 2021 DAL 1st.

I actually really like this idea, I'd even do it without the pick swap. As you said, kinda helps with the roster crunch too.

Another pointless move imo. Just buyout Spellman/Evans if they are in our roster way.
Oh well. 3 season DSJ at least has shot slightly better than rookie Culver. I think the only way it makes sense to do is if you do the pick swap. Tunring #33 from this year into a slightly better one next in a draft where Wolves may be missing a pick would be helpful.

The good thing about Dennis Smith Jr in this trade is that it not only clears roster spots for us but makes future consolidation trades easier as well while not having dead salary on the roster.

[Jedzz]

I actually really like this idea, I'd even do it without the pick swap. As you said, kinda helps with the roster crunch too.

Another pointless move imo. Just buyout Spellman/Evans if they are in our roster way.
Oh well. 3 season DSJ at least has shot slightly better than rookie Culver. I think the only way it makes sense to do is if you do the pick swap. Tunring #33 from this year into a slightly better one next in a draft where Wolves may be missing a pick would be helpful.

The good thing about Dennis Smith Jr in this trade is that it not only clears roster spots for us but makes future consolidation trades easier as well while not having dead salary on the roster.

Well Both players will only be 2MM or less for 20/21 season and then be done. It's not like they would be carrying around a Cole Aldrich 7MM/yr for two additional years of dead salary. Still am not over that choice, for whatever nefarious reason that happened back in the day. With the draft pick swap I don't mind it. I'm not really a fan of the game/roster fit. I might make the deal for the picks, clear the roster spots and then buy out DSJ immediately with that space. Granted I don't know if they could or if that's a worse plan or not.

[Mattya]

Another pointless move imo. Just buyout Spellman/Evans if they are in our roster way.
Oh well. 3 season DSJ at least has shot slightly better than rookie Culver. I think the only way it makes sense to do is if you do the pick swap. Tunring #33 from this year into a slightly better one next in a draft where Wolves may be missing a pick would be helpful.

The good thing about Dennis Smith Jr in this trade is that it not only clears roster spots for us but makes future consolidation trades easier as well while not having dead salary on the roster.

Well Both players will only be 2MM or less for 20/21 season and then be done. It's not like they would be carrying around a Cole Aldrich 7MM/yr for two additional years of dead salary. Still am not over that choice, for whatever nefarious reason that happened back in the day. With the draft pick swap I don't mind it. I'm not really a fan of the game/roster fit. I might make the deal for the picks, clear the roster spots and then buy out DSJ immediately with that space. Granted I don't know if they could or if that's a worse plan or not.

I would rather play JMac but I would still do the trade then do another trade combining salary for better players who fill needs. Combine Johnson, Layman, Smith Jr you have roughly 26 million in salary for 2020 with 22 of that being expiring. With the 125% trade window the Wolves could position themselves nicely to take on some bad contracts for compensation,

[chaimer]

In the feeling among the Wolves fans is that they gonna trade no. 1 pick?

[minimus]

In the feeling among the Wolves fans is that they gonna trade no. 1 pick?

Based on the latest deadline all we can say that Wolves will have at least Plan A, B, С, E. We will use every opportunity to improve this team and but it also depends on other teams' interest. We can gamble because as a contingency plan we can wait till the trade deadline.

This FO is a very interesting innovative group:
Joe Branch (Assistant General Manager) - ex-player agent
Dr. Robby Sikka (Vice President of Basketball Performance & Technology) - load management, player physical development
Sachin Gupta (Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations) - trade scenarios genius
Josh Gershon - extensive scouting

I would expect to be very creative when they see an opportunity (trade up/down during draft, 1+3 deals, undrafted players, two-way contract, four-team trades, Bahamas trip etc).

One important note: I think we can be 100% prepared for draft night, scout every candidate. But once offseason starts, it will be a mad gallop, the only thing that makes me less stressed is the fact that with Rosas we have one of the best decision-makers.

[Worm Guts]

In the feeling among the Wolves fans is that they gonna trade no. 1 pick?

If we're trying to predict what the Wolves will do, I don't think there's much of a feel for that yet. I would expect the Wolves are willing to trade the pick, but I don't think we've gotten to the point where there has been any serious offer.

[Slim Tubby]

In the feeling among the Wolves fans is that they gonna trade no. 1 pick?

If we're trying to predict what the Wolves will do, I don't think there's much of a feel for that yet. I would expect the Wolves are willing to trade the pick, but I don't think we've gotten to the point where there has been any serious offer.

I would think after teams have had the chance to see players in personal workouts and fall in love with specific players that we will really start to see the trade rumors fly.


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[Macwolf527]

In the feeling among the Wolves fans is that they gonna trade no. 1 pick?

Based on the latest deadline all we can say that Wolves will have at least Plan A, B, С, E. We will use every opportunity to improve this team and but it also depends on other teams' interest. We can gamble because as a contingency plan we can wait till the trade deadline.

This FO is a very interesting innovative group:
Joe Branch (Assistant General Manager) - ex-player agent
Dr. Robby Sikka (Vice President of Basketball Performance & Technology) - load management, player physical development
Sachin Gupta (Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations) - trade scenarios genius
Josh Gershon - extensive scouting

I would expect to be very creative when they see an opportunity (trade up/down during draft, 1+3 deals, undrafted players, two-way contract, four-team trades, Bahamas trip etc).

One important note: I think we can be 100% prepared for draft night, scout every candidate. But once offseason starts, it will be a mad gallop, the only thing that makes me less stressed is the fact that with Rosas we have one of the best decision-makers.

The “Status Quo” of the Timberwolves is probably the biggest thing working in our favor other than our draft assets. This is the first offseason in a while where you don’t have some “BS” brewing in the form of change or a disgruntled player. The focus is on basketball and basketball only. The culture is being established which is demonstrated in the “Bubble” attendance by most of the players, even the restricted free agents.

With that in mind, any player brought in via draft, trades or free agency needs to brought in under the right mindset. This is clearly Towns’ team with DLo as second in the leadership chart as the only other all-star and by nature of his position as point guard.
Any player coming in now is coming in as a roll-player, if they don’t have all-star credibility. That is my only fear of selecting with that 1st pick. Bringing in a young player who doesn’t grasp this concept and upsets the Status Quo. I’m starting to warm up to trading down for the right mix of veterans and future draft picks.

[Midw35t]

MIN GETS: Jerami Grant S&T (say, 3 for $45) + #24
MIN GIVES: James Johnson + #17 + #33

ORL GETS: James Johnson + #17 + 33
ORL GIVES: Aaron Gordom

DEN GETS: Aaron Gordon
DEN GIVES: Jerami Grant S&T, #24

Why for MIN? I’m violating my own rules here where I say that S&T’s have little value because the market sets the price, but I think Grant is such a good fit, I’m willing to downgrade the #17 to #24, and toss in the #33 as well. Keeping the #24 allows us to trade out of the draft with the #1 in case a deal shows up.

Why for ORL? Start the rebuild.

Why for DEN? They can’t get Gordon with just the #24, so they use MIN to pay for him. Gordon is a better all-around player than Grant, and he’s on a declining deal. They sign Paul Milsap for a year. He always started over Jerami, and Jokic respects Milsap so much, that he even started playing defense .. defense they don’t want to lose. DEN is always cost-conscious.

This is my favorite one.

I came here to inquire about a S&T for Grant, #24 for Johnson, #17, #33.

Denver is paying Jokic, Murray, Harris, Barton a combined 90 mil next season and MPJ in a couple years. Millsap and Plumlee are both FAs as well. I cant see them wanting to lock in Grant for the 3-4 years he will want. Johnson can backup at the 4, and adds some extra ballhandling/playmaking that Grant doesn't.

I'm hoping they choose to sign Millsap and/or Plumlee, rather than viewing Grant as a better fit with their young core.

I'd offer James Johnson, #17, #33 for Gordon as well.

[shrink]

MIN GETS: Jerami Grant S&T (say, 3 for $45) + #24
MIN GIVES: James Johnson + #17 + #33

ORL GETS: James Johnson + #17 + 33
ORL GIVES: Aaron Gordom

DEN GETS: Aaron Gordon
DEN GIVES: Jerami Grant S&T, #24

Why for MIN? I’m violating my own rules here where I say that S&T’s have little value because the market sets the price, but I think Grant is such a good fit, I’m willing to downgrade the #17 to #24, and toss in the #33 as well. Keeping the #24 allows us to trade out of the draft with the #1 in case a deal shows up.

Why for ORL? Start the rebuild.

Why for DEN? They can’t get Gordon with just the #24, so they use MIN to pay for him. Gordon is a better all-around player than Grant, and he’s on a declining deal. They sign Paul Milsap for a year. He always started over Jerami, and Jokic respects Milsap so much, that he even started playing defense .. defense they don’t want to lose. DEN is always cost-conscious.

This is my favorite one.

I came here to inquire about a S&T for Grant, #24 for Johnson, #17, #33.

Denver is paying Jokic, Murray, Harris, Barton a combined 90 mil next season and MPJ in a couple years. Millsap and Plumlee are both FAs as well. I cant see them wanting to lock in Grant for the 3-4 years he will want. Johnson can backup at the 4, and adds some extra ballhandling/playmaking that Grant doesn't.

I'm hoping they choose to sign Millsap and/or Plumlee, rather than viewing Grant as a better fit with their young core.

I'd offer James Johnson, #17, #33 for Gordon as well.

I don’t think that is an unfair offer for Gordon (otherwise I wouldn’t offer it to ORL!) but I believe Grant is a far better fit, with room to improve.

I would not be shocked to see DEN bring back Millsap as well. DEN is always conscious about costs, but Millsap was not only their starting PF over Grant, but he also is so respected by Jokic that he got him to start playing some defense. This would obviously make Grant more expendable to the Nuggets. This could be a nice cost-cutting move for Denver without Gordon involved.

[KGdaBom]

In the feeling among the Wolves fans is that they gonna trade no. 1 pick?

Based on the latest deadline all we can say that Wolves will have at least Plan A, B, С, E. We will use every opportunity to improve this team and but it also depends on other teams' interest. We can gamble because as a contingency plan we can wait till the trade deadline.

This FO is a very interesting innovative group:
Joe Branch (Assistant General Manager) - ex-player agent
Dr. Robby Sikka (Vice President of Basketball Performance & Technology) - load management, player physical development
Sachin Gupta (Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations) - trade scenarios genius
Josh Gershon - extensive scouting

I would expect to be very creative when they see an opportunity (trade up/down during draft, 1+3 deals, undrafted players, two-way contract, four-team trades, Bahamas trip etc).

One important note: I think we can be 100% prepared for draft night, scout every candidate. But once offseason starts, it will be a mad gallop, the only thing that makes me less stressed is the fact that with Rosas we have one of the best decision-makers.

You always leave out plan D. That is D descrimination. There is nothing wrong with plan D.

[Midw35t]

MIN GETS: Jerami Grant S&T (say, 3 for $45) + #24
MIN GIVES: James Johnson + #17 + #33

ORL GETS: James Johnson + #17 + 33
ORL GIVES: Aaron Gordom

DEN GETS: Aaron Gordon
DEN GIVES: Jerami Grant S&T, #24

Why for MIN? I’m violating my own rules here where I say that S&T’s have little value because the market sets the price, but I think Grant is such a good fit, I’m willing to downgrade the #17 to #24, and toss in the #33 as well. Keeping the #24 allows us to trade out of the draft with the #1 in case a deal shows up.

Why for ORL? Start the rebuild.

Why for DEN? They can’t get Gordon with just the #24, so they use MIN to pay for him. Gordon is a better all-around player than Grant, and he’s on a declining deal. They sign Paul Milsap for a year. He always started over Jerami, and Jokic respects Milsap so much, that he even started playing defense .. defense they don’t want to lose. DEN is always cost-conscious.

This is my favorite one.

I came here to inquire about a S&T for Grant, #24 for Johnson, #17, #33.

Denver is paying Jokic, Murray, Harris, Barton a combined 90 mil next season and MPJ in a couple years. Millsap and Plumlee are both FAs as well. I cant see them wanting to lock in Grant for the 3-4 years he will want. Johnson can backup at the 4, and adds some extra ballhandling/playmaking that Grant doesn't.

I'm hoping they choose to sign Millsap and/or Plumlee, rather than viewing Grant as a better fit with their young core.

I'd offer James Johnson, #17, #33 for Gordon as well.

I don’t think that is an unfair offer for Gordon (otherwise I wouldn’t offer it to ORL!) but I believe Grant is a far better fit, with room to improve.

I would not be shocked to see DEN bring back Millsap as well. DEN is always conscious about costs, but Millsap was not only their starting PF over Grant, but he also is so respected by Jokic that he got him to start playing some defense. This would obviously make Grant more expendable to the Nuggets. This could be a nice cost-cutting move for Denver without Gordon involved.

They are both great targets considering that they're up against the payroll, have players to resign (Fournier for magic), and magic are a mess in the frontcourt.

Another two teams up against the payroll with 2 players who could leave for nothing are Wash with Bertans and Nets with Harris.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/76ers-open-trades-hire-mike-dantoni

Probly mentioned before. But a 3 team trade b/w Philly, Wiz, and t-wolves would benefit all parties. #1 overall pick to Wiz, Beal to Philly(would thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system) We get Ben Simmons.

[KGdaBom]

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/76ers-open-trades-hire-mike-dantoni

Probly mentioned before. But a 3 team trade b/w Philly, Wiz, and t-wolves would benefit all parties. #1 overall pick to Wiz, Beal to Philly(would thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system) We get Ben Simmons.

I'd take it, but does Simmons fit our 1-3-1 5 out system? I really don't care.

[IceManBK1]

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/76ers-open-trades-hire-mike-dantoni

Probly mentioned before. But a 3 team trade b/w Philly, Wiz, and t-wolves would benefit all parties. #1 overall pick to Wiz, Beal to Philly(would thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system) We get Ben Simmons.

I'd take it, but does Simmons fit our 1-3-1 5 out system? I really don't care.

We need Ben to defend and do all the intangibles. Being able to defend all 5 position is a valuable asset. If we retain Beasley there's no pressure for Ben to score for us. The offense needs to run through dlo and towns. We need more good 2 way players around them.

[KGdaBom]

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/76ers-open-trades-hire-mike-dantoni

Probly mentioned before. But a 3 team trade b/w Philly, Wiz, and t-wolves would benefit all parties. #1 overall pick to Wiz, Beal to Philly(would thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system) We get Ben Simmons.

I'd take it, but does Simmons fit our 1-3-1 5 out system? I really don't care.

We need Ben to defend and do all the intangibles. Being able to defend all 5 position is a valuable asset. If we retain Beasley there's no pressure for Ben to score for us. The offense needs to run through dlo and towns. We need more good 2 way players around them.

I was being sarcastic. Ben is a very good player without a jumper.
I don't know if there is anything else he doesn't do well. Free throws .
The more I think about it if he had even an OK jump shot and could make FTs above the embarrassment level he would be LeBron 2.0 with slightly better defense.

[Wolveswin]

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/76ers-open-trades-hire-mike-dantoni

Probly mentioned before. But a 3 team trade b/w Philly, Wiz, and t-wolves would benefit all parties. #1 overall pick to Wiz, Beal to Philly(would thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system) We get Ben Simmons.

That is a very discussed trade here. But it may be hard to peel Beal away from Washington. He seems to want to stay and they seem eager to try Beal and healthy Wall.

Culver + #17 + Wolves Filler to Bulls, LaVine + Filler + #1 to 76ers

Same idea to Pelicans for Holiday.

If 76ers value money, Horford can be sent out in either deal (move around assets as needed).

[IceManBK1]

https://www.si.com/nba/76ers/news/76ers-open-trades-hire-mike-dantoni

Probly mentioned before. But a 3 team trade b/w Philly, Wiz, and t-wolves would benefit all parties. #1 overall pick to Wiz, Beal to Philly(would thrive in Mike D'Antoni's system) We get Ben Simmons.

That is a very discussed trade here. But it may be hard to peel Beal away from Washington. He seems to want to stay and they seem eager to try Beal and healthy Wall.

Culver + #17 + Wolves Filler to Bulls, LaVine + Filler + #1 to 76ers

Same idea to Pelicans for Holiday.

If 76ers value money, Horford can be sent out in either deal (move around assets as needed).

that would work..D' Antoni loves guards who can shoot the 3. Lavine is good 3 pt shooter.

[shangrila]

Beal is their Towns. Would you trade KAT for the 1st this year? I wouldn't.