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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1521 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:10 am

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Klomp wrote:Mono isn't a permanent condition


I thought his problem was small lungs relative to his size.

He does have that, and it was thought to be the problem during the season, but...

CHICAGO — In one simple test, Priority Sports answered a question that plagued Michigan State and its fans for much of the Big Ten season: What was wrong with Adreian Payne?

It emerged this week he would not participate in all drills at the NBA predraft combine because of mononucleosis. But it wasn’t a new case, it was one that was very old.

“The mono’s been in his system for about three months,” said Joel Cornette, director of basketball recruiting for Priority Sports, the Chicago-based agency representing Payne. “When we got him here, it was a matter of an observation. I watched Adreian play darn near every game this year, and to watch a guy who’s a college athlete check in at the 6-minute mark of the game and at the 4:30 mark be keeled over and unable to move, something was wrong. It wasn’t just conditioning coming back from the injury.”

As Priority does with every client, Payne got the full medical full workup and the mono was discovered, which answered a few questions for him.

“The mono affected me a lot, especially during the season,” he said Thursday at the NBA predraft combine, where he measured 6-feet-9 without shoes and weighed 238½ pounds. “In the middle of the night, I was waking up in cold sweats and didn’t know what it was. My throat was sore. I told the trainer; we did what we could do. During the season, once I got back from my foot injury, I missed seven games and was tired of sitting out. I wanted to play. ... I didn’t know why I was getting so tired. I just felt weak on the court. At times in the game, I felt exhausted and I didn’t know why.”

MSU spokesman Matt Larson said Payne was never tested for mono during the season. Considering the time he missed with a foot injury and a pre-existing lung condition, stamina issues were not a big surprise.


http://www.freep.com/article/20140516/S ... know-what-

That article was written on May 16, meaning he had mono since February, which was when he was coming back from his injury.

So, yes, he has a lung condition, but that wasn't the main concern behind his stamina issues this past season.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1522 » by Maefteda » Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:31 am

Chad Ford and Jeff Goodman over at ESPN had their twitter mock draft using only their own preferences. This is the results:

1. Wiggins (Cavs) Ford
2. Parker (Jazz - Traded up using #5 and Trey Burke) Goodman
3. Exum (76ers) Ford
4. Embiid (Magic) Goodman
5. Randle (Bucks) Ford
6. Smart (Celtics) Goodman
7. Vonleh (76ers - Traded MCW for the 7th pick from Lakers) Ford
8. Gordon (Kings) Goodman
9. Stauskas (Hornets) Ford
10. McDermott (Bulls - Traded up using #16 and #19) Goodman
11. LaVine (Nuggets) Ford
12. Payton (Magic) Goodman
13. Harris (Timberwolves) Ford
14. Hood (Suns) Goodman
15. Young (Hawks) Ford
16. Saric (76ers) Ford
17. Anderson (Celtics) Ford
18. Payne (Suns) Goodman
19. Warren (76ers) Ford
20. Napier (Raptors) Goodman
21. Hairston (OKC) Ford
22. Early (Grizzlies) Goodman
23. Ennis (Jazz) Ford
24. Nurkic (Hornets) Goodman
25. Inglis (76ers, traded Thaddeus Young for Asik and #25) Ford
26. Clarkson (Heat) Goodman
27. Capela (Suns) Ford
28. Robinson III (Clippers) Goodman
29. McDaniels (OKC) Ford
30. McGary (Spurs) Goodman

Nothing scientific to take from this of course :P
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1523 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:54 am

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Klomp wrote:Like Dieng last year, people are sleeping on him because he's "too old."


I don't think people are sleeping on him because he's "too old." I think people are sleeping on him because he's got a medical condition that effects his stamina and horrible basketball IQ for a Senior that will likely limit him to being a low minute backup at best. The upside is just not there.


I wonder if the low BBIQ rap could be from mistakes he made while physically exhausted due to the mono. I know when i play - the more exhausted i am the more mistakes i start to make. Just a thought.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1524 » by AQuintus » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:58 am

Krapinsky wrote:I wonder if the low BBIQ rap could be from mistakes he made while physically exhausted due to the mono. I know when i play - the more exhausted i am the more mistakes i start to make. Just a thought.


Low BBIQ ("lacks feel for the game") is a problem that Draftexpress identified for him in their preseason scouting report, so I doubt it.
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Post#1525 » by Grits n Gravy » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:23 am

Am I crazy to believe there's a legit shot of Emblid being available at $6 and Saric being available at #17? I think Emblid is less likely as some team will gamble on him but I think there's a good chance Saric is still there at #17. He's not going to come over for at least two years and IMO it will almost certainly will be 3 years so he can avaoid the rookie scale. All the more reason Ainge is probably not going to offer the deal.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1526 » by shangrila » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:46 am

I don't think he's got low BBIQ, that seems harsh. Low BBIQ to me is Anthony Randolph or Michael Beasley, guys that are just flat out incapable of making good plays on purpose. Payne seems like a team oriented guy who can play well within an offence, something neither of the other two guys could claim.

Don't get me wrong, he's never going to be Chris Paul or have a long career as a coach but he won't hurt a team when he's out there either.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1527 » by Worm Guts » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:17 pm

It seems strange for me to hear that Payne has a low BBIQ, but I think that's because I expect all of Izzo's guys to have a high BBIQ. It would be sort of like hearing someone from the Spurs has a low BBIQ.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1528 » by karch34 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:14 pm

Worm Guts wrote:It seems strange for me to hear that Payne has a low BBIQ, but I think that's because I expect all of Izzo's guys to have a high BBIQ. It would be sort of like hearing someone from the Spurs has a low BBIQ.


Agreed. Especially a senior.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1529 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:41 pm

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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1530 » by AQuintus » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:13 pm

Draftexpress just updated their mock.

They've finally gotten with the program and put Gordon at 6. Smart is falling to 8.

Even more reason to trade for 6 and then combine assets to get either 7 or 8. :)
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1531 » by Klomp » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:20 pm

Saric drops all the way down to 17, wow.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1532 » by AQuintus » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:33 pm

Klomp wrote:Saric drops all the way down to 17, wow.


Not surprising at all after he just signed a 3 year deal in Europe.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1533 » by C.lupus » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:34 pm

Please don't take LaVine at 13. Pleeeeaaaasssseeee.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1534 » by Krapinsky » Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:46 pm

C.lupus wrote:Please don't take LaVine at 13. Pleeeeaaaasssseeee.


I would be shocked if that were the case. Doesn't seem like a Flip pick at all. He talks about two way players and players that will help our team now and help change the culture. Lavine sounds like the last guys we'd pick.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1535 » by wildvikeswolves » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:03 pm

Really feeling Gary Harris will be the pick.

With Flips wanting a 2 way guy and more emphasis on shooting he seems to really fit
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Post#1536 » by C.lupus » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:07 pm

wildvikeswolves wrote:Really feeling Gary Harris will be the pick.

With Flips wanting a 2 way guy and more emphasis on shooting he seems to really fit

Plus he's an Izzo guy. Seems like a no-brainer unless somebody unexpectedly falls. It would be nice if he was a bit taller but oh well.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1537 » by wildvikeswolves » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:13 pm

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wildvikeswolves wrote:Really feeling Gary Harris will be the pick.

With Flips wanting a 2 way guy and more emphasis on shooting he seems to really fit

Plus he's an Izzo guy. Seems like a no-brainer unless somebody unexpectedly falls. It would be nice if he was a bit taller but oh well.


Good point. If Flip thinks he almost had Izzo this offseason, it can't hurt to grab one of his players
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1538 » by AQuintus » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:16 pm

wildvikeswolves wrote:Really feeling Gary Harris will be the pick.

With Flips wanting a 2 way guy and more emphasis on shooting he seems to really fit


No. Flip's going to trade Love for Thompson and Lee and then take Adrian Payne at 13 to be "the PF of the future."

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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1539 » by wildvikeswolves » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:27 pm

AQuintus wrote:
wildvikeswolves wrote:Really feeling Gary Harris will be the pick.

With Flips wanting a 2 way guy and more emphasis on shooting he seems to really fit


No. Flip's going to trade Love for Thompson and Lee and then take Adrian Payne at 13 to be "the PF of the future."

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I hope not. Nothing against Payne but he still feels like a reach at 13. Even if we do the GSW trade with Martin going the other way Harris can still fill a need for us
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1540 » by Devilzsidewalk » Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:29 pm

I don't feel great about Harris - seems like his best traits are his shooting, but he's not that great from 3, and his defense, but he's a 6'3" SG.
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