Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Note30]

What deal? Above isn’t complete as you can see.

I mean, I think Pistons no brainer would like to upgrade from Tobias to Randle - at what cost is the question. If only we had a place to discuss that.

Bulls could see Giddey as their future but do they? I mean it took forever to negotiate his future on team. I think no brainer where Bulls sit wouldn’t mind turning Giddey into rookie contract Dilly.

Magic motivations are for offense at cost of Suggs. Is Giddey (DDV) the offense they are looking for? Not sure. Worthy discussion however.

The Wolves can't be giving up Randle, DDV, and Dilly and not get one premier player.

I'm sick of trading dollars for quarters.

So you think an all-in upgrade trade - trading all 3 for one ‘premier’ player. Please suggest some available. Good topic if you give some examples.

Wait till somebody does ask for out and put together that package. That's pretty much all we can do. It's why TC didn't do **** this off-season. We're capped.

[Wolveswin]

The Wolves can't be giving up Randle, DDV, and Dilly and not get one premier player.

I'm sick of trading dollars for quarters.

So you think an all-in upgrade trade - trading all 3 for one ‘premier’ player. Please suggest some available. Good topic if you give some examples.

Wait till somebody does ask for out and put together that package. That's pretty much all we can do. It's why TC didn't do **** this off-season. We're capped.

I think the problem with waiting for a premier player to ask out is what Wolves have to offer won’t be in top 3 offers. Wolves have no picks to supplement. And everything is based on current rostered players. So…

Unless the weird ‘my star is unhappy’ trade in which team with unhappy star calls Wolves asking for proven/talented players on Wolves roster in exchange - getting in a bidding war for a player who is asking out won’t end well for Wolves.

[KGdaBom]

For those that like big names all-in trades…

To Hawks: Gobert/Randle/DDV (via TPE)

To Jazz: Dilly/Porzingis/2026 NOP 1st (via Hawks)/28&32 Wolves 1st Swaps

To Wolves: Markkanen/Jalen Johnson/Dyson Daniels

Markkanen/Reid/Beringer
McDaniels/Reid/Jalen Johnson
Jalen Johnson/McDaniels/Edwards
Edwards/Daniels/TSJ
Daniels/Conley/Vet in Open Roster Spot

Maybe.

[KGdaBom]

Randle has unique combination of physicality AND scoring/passing. If I want to replace Randle I would look for a guy like Avdija: skilled passer, creative scorer AND tough.

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Avdija is younger and cheaper. Randle is older and better. If we want to win in the next two years Randle is probably the more likely to get it done. However that is a very nice contract and maybe we can do something with the savings.

[Klomp]

I think finding someone at the Avdija level is fine as the centerpiece of a Randle trade, IF we believe that there is another level up for the player to grow.

I think it's also important to look at possible scheme or player role shifts when looking at trade returns. Rather than solely looking at PFs (to help fill the Randle role), we should also consider the option of down-shifting McDaniels to play PF more. I don't think this should be the only option, but I think it's a consideration to go in tandem with an uptick in Reid's minutes. That would lead to an opening of some SF minutes, and create a lot more trade possibilities. One who I think would be a great fit in many areas in such a trade could be Trey Murphy III.

[Note30]

So you think an all-in upgrade trade - trading all 3 for one ‘premier’ player. Please suggest some available. Good topic if you give some examples.

Wait till somebody does ask for out and put together that package. That's pretty much all we can do. It's why TC didn't do **** this off-season. We're capped.

I think the problem with waiting for a premier player to ask out is what Wolves have to offer won’t be in top 3 offers. Wolves have no picks to supplement. And everything is based on current rostered players. So…

Unless the weird ‘my star is unhappy’ trade in which team with unhappy star calls Wolves asking for proven/talented players on Wolves roster in exchange - getting in a bidding war for a player who is asking out won’t end well for Wolves.

Yeah it's not great I agree. So either fire TC for **** us in the ass or hope to get lucky with the bets he's made, I just don't see a way out of this.

Fwiw, any young player who's ready or can get to that next level is a massive bet.

[KGdaBom]

I think finding someone at the Avdija level is fine as the centerpiece of a Randle trade, IF we believe that there is another level up for the player to grow.

I think it's also important to look at possible scheme or player role shifts when looking at trade returns. Rather than solely looking at PFs (to help fill the Randle role), we should also consider the option of down-shifting McDaniels to play PF more. I don't think this should be the only option, but I think it's a consideration to go in tandem with an uptick in Reid's minutes. That would lead to an opening of some SF minutes, and create a lot more trade possibilities. One who I think would be a great fit in many areas in such a trade could be Trey Murphy III.

Do you see Avdija as being as good as Randle right now? If you do I think you're underrating Randle. Looking to the future sure.

[Klomp]

I think finding someone at the Avdija level is fine as the centerpiece of a Randle trade, IF we believe that there is another level up for the player to grow.

I think it's also important to look at possible scheme or player role shifts when looking at trade returns. Rather than solely looking at PFs (to help fill the Randle role), we should also consider the option of down-shifting McDaniels to play PF more. I don't think this should be the only option, but I think it's a consideration to go in tandem with an uptick in Reid's minutes. That would lead to an opening of some SF minutes, and create a lot more trade possibilities. One who I think would be a great fit in many areas in such a trade could be Trey Murphy III.

Do you see Avdija as being as good as Randle right now? If you do I think you're underrating Randle. Looking to the future sure.

Of course not. I think there is at least one tier break between them.

[KGdaBom]

I think finding someone at the Avdija level is fine as the centerpiece of a Randle trade, IF we believe that there is another level up for the player to grow.

I think it's also important to look at possible scheme or player role shifts when looking at trade returns. Rather than solely looking at PFs (to help fill the Randle role), we should also consider the option of down-shifting McDaniels to play PF more. I don't think this should be the only option, but I think it's a consideration to go in tandem with an uptick in Reid's minutes. That would lead to an opening of some SF minutes, and create a lot more trade possibilities. One who I think would be a great fit in many areas in such a trade could be Trey Murphy III.

Do you see Avdija as being as good as Randle right now? If you do I think you're underrating Randle. Looking to the future sure.

Of course not. I think there is at least one tier break between them.

Thank you. At least...

[minimus]

I think finding someone at the Avdija level is fine as the centerpiece of a Randle trade, IF we believe that there is another level up for the player to grow.

I wish we could keep Towns if we speak about maxed out in terms of skills and contract player. But now we should avoid guys like Markkanen and keep looking for guys like Avdija

I think it's also important to look at possible scheme or player role shifts when looking at trade returns. Rather than solely looking at PFs (to help fill the Randle role), we should also consider the option of down-shifting McDaniels to play PF more. I don't think this should be the only option, but I think it's a consideration to go in tandem with an uptick in Reid's minutes. That would lead to an opening of some SF minutes, and create a lot more trade possibilities. One who I think would be a great fit in many areas in such a trade could be Trey Murphy III.

Yep, a big movement shooter fit is a well known solution for similar roster construction. One of my favorite teams was ORL with Howard + combo forwards Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu. But. in this case MIN need to be sure that Gobert+Beringer duo will give 90% of prime Howard impact.

[Wolveswin]

I think finding someone at the Avdija level is fine as the centerpiece of a Randle trade, IF we believe that there is another level up for the player to grow.

I think it's also important to look at possible scheme or player role shifts when looking at trade returns. Rather than solely looking at PFs (to help fill the Randle role), we should also consider the option of down-shifting McDaniels to play PF more. I don't think this should be the only option, but I think it's a consideration to go in tandem with an uptick in Reid's minutes. That would lead to an opening of some SF minutes, and create a lot more trade possibilities. One who I think would be a great fit in many areas in such a trade could be Trey Murphy III.

Do you see Avdija as being as good as Randle right now? If you do I think you're underrating Randle. Looking to the future sure.

Of course not. I think there is at least one tier break between them.

What players from Blazers fill the gap? Anything that makes Wolves better?

To 3rd team: Randle

To Blaz: Filler/Assets from 3rd team

To Wolves: Avdija + what

[Norseman79]

Here's the issue I'm seeing, if we're trading Randall it's because Reid will become the starter and get more minutes. There is one position where we don't have a starter, that is point guard. So any trade, in my opinion, that has a centerpiece which will bump Reid or McDaniels out of starting is just a no. The key piece in any trade coming back needs to be a starting point guard. Otherwise, roll with what we have.

[cmoss84]

Randle can't get traded until December, which I would do. But for now:
1. Trade DDV for Duren. Extend Duren.
2. Sign Ben Simmons
3. Sign Brandon Boston Jr

Start: Mike/Ant/Jaden/Julius/Rudy
Next 5: RD/Ben/TSJ/Naz/Duren

[minimus]

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I like Kolek's game. I'd absolutely offer Leonard Miller and 2nd round pick for Kolek

[KGdaBom]

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I like Kolek's game. I'd absolutely offer Leonard Miller and 2nd round pick for Kolek

OK.

[Klomp]

Here's the issue I'm seeing, if we're trading Randall it's because Reid will become the starter and get more minutes. There is one position where we don't have a starter, that is point guard. So any trade, in my opinion, that has a centerpiece which will bump Reid or McDaniels out of starting is just a no. The key piece in any trade coming back needs to be a starting point guard. Otherwise, roll with what we have.

There is certainly some validity to that stance, but I'm not certain it's locked in stone that Reid automatically has to be bumped to the starting lineup.

[cmoss84]

Detroit IN: Jovic and DDV
MIA IN: Randle
MN IN: Rozier, Duren, JJJr, '27 FRP (MIA)

[Norseman79]

Detroit IN: Jovic and DDV
MIA IN: Randle
MN IN: Rozier, Duren, JJJr, '27 FRP (MIA)

I strongly dislike this trade, but I will give you credit, you just keep them coming. I appreciate the energy.

[BlacJacMac]

Detroit IN: Jovic and DDV
MIA IN: Randle
MN IN: Rozier, Duren, JJJr, '27 FRP (MIA)

I think this one might require a Rudy trade for a PG to be feasible.

You definitely can't play Rudy and Duren any minutes together. And while I think Beringer has potential to eventually play a bit of PF, I don't think he's close. So he can't play with either guy.

[KGdaBom]

Detroit IN: Jovic and DDV
MIA IN: Randle
MN IN: Rozier, Duren, JJJr, '27 FRP (MIA)

I'd do it if the JJJr was Jaren Jackson, but it's not so I don't.