Trade Talk (Part Four)

[minimus]

I love Jerami Grant’s fit next to KAT. The Trade Board estimates that Grant will get an offer starting between $13-15 mil, so that excedes anything we could offer with the non-tax payer MLE.

I spun a three-way trade a few days ago where we get Aaron Gordon, and deal him for Grant.

Another option that spares our #17 is:

MIN GIVES: Johnson
GSW GIVES: nothing (top 55 protected 2nd) Johnson absorbed in the Iguodala TPE)

GSW does this because the CBA limits who they can get with that TPE to $17 mil. Much better players are around at $18-23, so they can use Johnson’s salary to raise the limit, $16 mil x125% + $100,000 = $20.1 mil.

Then

MIN GIVES: Okogie
MIN GETS: Jerami Grant (sign and trade)

I like Okogie, but the #17 may be more useful, especially if we draft Ball or Edwards, and want to keep giving Culver minutes. Josh is in his third year, so #17 gives us more team control at a lower cost, with two max deals, and two over the MLE. Moreover, Okogie’s defense would be very useful next to Murray with DEN’s playoff ambitions next year.

1) DEN have Harris as primary PoA defender, hence they don't need Okogie

2) Grant does not provide much rebounding, he also is very limited in offense. Jokic and Murray playmaking allowed role players such as Grant to play within their roles, but I would be worried if Grant is our main PF and even more worried if he plays SF.

[shrink]

According to Forbes' Sean Deveney, one eastern conference executive sees Gordon on the move and soon:

They were really trying to deal him before the deadline, but they weren't getting the assets back they wanted. It will be easier to move that contract when it's only got two years left. He's probably the most likely big name to be traded. He's a good gamble—he is only 24.
Gordon is making roughly $34 million over the final two years of his contract, which is a reasonable deal considering his production.

However, some teams are slightly concerned with Gordon's drop in points per game as he's gone from 17.6 to 16 to last year averaging 14.4 ppg. Option 1, no, but Gordon suits up as a perfect compliment to round out a big 3.

So keep an eye on the T-Wolves as they try to put together a young-dominant big-3. KAT and D'Angelo Russell could soon have a new running mate...

Would Magic Fans accept a trade of Timberwolves send 1st round pick #17, expiring James Johnson 16 million, and former first round picks Omari Spellman and Jacob Evans for Aaron Gordon.

This gives the Magic two first round picks, 15 and 17 which they can use to get into the top 10 or stay and draft two rookies of their choice where many draft experts say in the strength of the draft class. James Johnson’s money comes off after 1 season for 2021 Big free agency class. Spellman and Evans, both first round pick draft players are on their rookie contracts and can be opted out of after one season if they don’t workout in 2020 season.

Jonathon Isaac is out for the entire 2020 season and Magic can tank one year, free up a bunch of cap and collect assets for 2021 draft and free agency.

For the Timberwolves, this gives you a rebounding, defending power forward next to KAT who can finish at the rim and in the dunkers spot. He doesn’t need plays called for him. He can cut to the hoop or fast break. He averaged 14ppg, 8 rebs, 3 ast. Shot 35% from 3 last season. He would play the Jerami Grant role for the Wolves.

That would be all i would offer for Gordon (#17 and Spellman), and we probably couldn’t foist Jacob Evans negative salary on them.

I can see the Magic declining that on value, but who knows? Also, with Isaac going down, this would only happen if they, finally, wanted to rebuild. There is no roster crowding at the PF position next year.

Gordon can’t play the Jerami Grant role, because he is a poor three point shooter, which is crucial to maximize Towns.

Finally, I thought that Sean Deveny thought that Gordon had more trade value on a shorter contract. Usually for positive value contracts, you want them longer. I understand Gordon has a declining deal, but I don’t see AG having more value now than at the deadline, especially after a full season of bad shooting percentages,

[UnFadeable21]

According to Forbes' Sean Deveney, one eastern conference executive sees Gordon on the move and soon:

They were really trying to deal him before the deadline, but they weren't getting the assets back they wanted. It will be easier to move that contract when it's only got two years left. He's probably the most likely big name to be traded. He's a good gamble—he is only 24.
Gordon is making roughly $34 million over the final two years of his contract, which is a reasonable deal considering his production.

However, some teams are slightly concerned with Gordon's drop in points per game as he's gone from 17.6 to 16 to last year averaging 14.4 ppg. Option 1, no, but Gordon suits up as a perfect compliment to round out a big 3.

So keep an eye on the T-Wolves as they try to put together a young-dominant big-3. KAT and D'Angelo Russell could soon have a new running mate...

Would Magic Fans accept a trade of Timberwolves send 1st round pick #17, expiring James Johnson 16 million, and former first round picks Omari Spellman and Jacob Evans for Aaron Gordon.

This gives the Magic two first round picks, 15 and 17 which they can use to get into the top 10 or stay and draft two rookies of their choice where many draft experts say in the strength of the draft class. James Johnson’s money comes off after 1 season for 2021 Big free agency class. Spellman and Evans, both first round pick draft players are on their rookie contracts and can be opted out of after one season if they don’t workout in 2020 season.

Jonathon Isaac is out for the entire 2020 season and Magic can tank one year, free up a bunch of cap and collect assets for 2021 draft and free agency.

For the Timberwolves, this gives you a rebounding, defending power forward next to KAT who can finish at the rim and in the dunkers spot. He doesn’t need plays called for him. He can cut to the hoop or fast break. He averaged 14ppg, 8 rebs, 3 ast. Shot 35% from 3 last season. He would play the Jerami Grant role for the Wolves.

That would be all i would offer for Gordon (#17 and Spellman), and we probably couldn’t foist Jacob Evans negative salary on them.

I can see the Magic declining that on value, but who knows? Also, with Isaac going down, this would only happen if they, finally, wanted to rebuild. There is no roster crowding at the PF position next year.

Gordon can’t play the Jerami Grant role, because he is a poor three point shooter, which is crucial to maximize Towns.

Finally, I thought that Sean Deveny thought that Gordon had more trade value on a shorter contract. Usually for positive value contracts, you want them longer. I understand Gordon has a declining deal, but I don’t see AG having more value now than at the deadline, especially after a full season of bad shooting percentages,

You would have to trade James Johnson in the deal to make the money work bro. Gordon shot 35% from 3, a year ago.

[shrink]

I love Jerami Grant’s fit next to KAT. The Trade Board estimates that Grant will get an offer starting between $13-15 mil, so that excedes anything we could offer with the non-tax payer MLE.

I spun a three-way trade a few days ago where we get Aaron Gordon, and deal him for Grant.

Another option that spares our #17 is:

MIN GIVES: Johnson
GSW GIVES: nothing (top 55 protected 2nd) Johnson absorbed in the Iguodala TPE)

GSW does this because the CBA limits who they can get with that TPE to $17 mil. Much better players are around at $18-23, so they can use Johnson’s salary to raise the limit, $16 mil x125% + $100,000 = $20.1 mil.

Then

MIN GIVES: Okogie
MIN GETS: Jerami Grant (sign and trade)

I like Okogie, but the #17 may be more useful, especially if we draft Ball or Edwards, and want to keep giving Culver minutes. Josh is in his third year, so #17 gives us more team control at a lower cost, with two max deals, and two over the MLE. Moreover, Okogie’s defense would be very useful next to Murray with DEN’s playoff ambitions next year.

1) DEN have Harris as primary PoA defender, hence they don't need Okogie

2) Grant does not provide much rebounding, he also is very limited in offense. Jokic and Murray playmaking allowed role players such as Grant to play within their roles, but I would be worried if Grant is our main PF and even more worried if he plays SF.

1. I don’t see Okogie starting for them. I also question how long they can afford Harris at $20 mil a year.

2. I think Towns and Russell provide play-making from the same positions, so the learning curve would be low. Grant wouldn’t need to be a playmaker, His offense is limited, but like Covington, his ability to hit the 3 minimizes that. I agree he would need to focus more on his rebounding, but his defense is a far greater priority. Towns is already a very good rebounder, and his numbers will only increase when he learns to stay back on defense.

[minimus]

I love Jerami Grant’s fit next to KAT. The Trade Board estimates that Grant will get an offer starting between $13-15 mil, so that excedes anything we could offer with the non-tax payer MLE.

I spun a three-way trade a few days ago where we get Aaron Gordon, and deal him for Grant.

Another option that spares our #17 is:

MIN GIVES: Johnson
GSW GIVES: nothing (top 55 protected 2nd) Johnson absorbed in the Iguodala TPE)

GSW does this because the CBA limits who they can get with that TPE to $17 mil. Much better players are around at $18-23, so they can use Johnson’s salary to raise the limit, $16 mil x125% + $100,000 = $20.1 mil.

Then

MIN GIVES: Okogie
MIN GETS: Jerami Grant (sign and trade)

I like Okogie, but the #17 may be more useful, especially if we draft Ball or Edwards, and want to keep giving Culver minutes. Josh is in his third year, so #17 gives us more team control at a lower cost, with two max deals, and two over the MLE. Moreover, Okogie’s defense would be very useful next to Murray with DEN’s playoff ambitions next year.

1) DEN have Harris as primary PoA defender, hence they don't need Okogie

2) Grant does not provide much rebounding, he also is very limited in offense. Jokic and Murray playmaking allowed role players such as Grant to play within their roles, but I would be worried if Grant is our main PF and even more worried if he plays SF.

1. I don’t see Okogie starting for them. I also question how long they can afford Harris at $20 mil a year.

2. I think Towns and Russell provide play-making from the same positions, so the learning curve would be low. Grant wouldn’t need to be a playmaker, His offense is limited, but like Covington, his ability to hit the 3 minimizes that. I agree he would need to focus more on his rebounding, but his defense is a far greater priority. Towns is already a very good rebounder, and his numbers will only increase when he learns to stay back on defense.

1) Harris has been a very important piece of their defense and offense in these playoffs. As long as MPJ plays on rookie contract they will keep Harris.

2) Grant averages 3.9 rebounds per game in his career. Right now he grabs 3.5 rebounds. That's a very concerning number for PF. That's Andrew Wiggins territory. We can rely on DLo and KAT as creators, but right now Jokic and Murray are head and shoulders above our stars as creators. Unless we add a dynamic player who can create his own shot next to KAT and DLo, I don't see role players with limited offense succeed. It also might help if we get and elite shooter who can move well off the ball, see Herro, Robinson example in MIA. For instance, KAT-Grant-Joe Harris-Beasley-DLo lineup.

[Slim Tubby]

If HOU looks to rebuild/reorganize this offseason, my #1 target would be Covington. How far off in value would be #17, Culver, Spellman and Evans be for RoCo?


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[Neeva]

If HOU looks to rebuild/reorganize this offseason, my #1 target would be Covington. How far off in value would be #17, Culver, Spellman and Evans be for RoCo?


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I thought Roco was traded because he didn’t fit the timeline.

[Slim Tubby]

If HOU looks to rebuild/reorganize this offseason, my #1 target would be Covington. How far off in value would be #17, Culver, Spellman and Evans be for RoCo?


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I thought Roco was traded because he didn’t fit the timeline.

Fair point, Neeva...I’m probably thinking about what would be best for the current roster.


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[NYG]

Is this deal warmer?

4, WCJ and Felicio for 1 and Johnson

11 and Murray for Felicio and 4

Essentially Johnson and 1 for WCJ, Murray and 11?

I just have trouble finding a deal that makes sense for #1 and am leaning towards Minnesota keeping the pick

[_AIJ_]

Would you trade the first pick for Klay Thompson or Paul George ?


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[KGdaBom]

Would you trade the first pick for Klay Thompson or Paul George ?


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Paul George yes. In a Heartbeat. He is that perfect SF or sometime PF for our team.
I don't trust Klay to be the player he was before.

[TheDominator273]

I know he's our only salary blast right now but I wouldn't trade James Johnson. He brings a toughness that we need along with playmaking and shooting. I know he's old but having a vet like him is valuable.

[_AIJ_]

I know he's our only salary blast right now but I wouldn't trade James Johnson. He brings a toughness that we need along with playmaking and shooting. I know he's old but having a vet like him is valuable.

I agree. We havent got a "dog" here in a long time.

[shrink]

I agree, trading Johnson would be tough. He has certainly done much better than I expected, and he is probably more valuable to us than other teams. Unfortunately, if we keep him, we close the door to a lot of potential trades for some very good players. We simply don’t have the piece to match salaries right now without him. And as always, an expiring contract can be used as a mechanism to get extra talent by trading away a commitment to future salary next year.

[shrink]

With the quest for matching salary in mind, my DSJ trade got trashed on the Trade Board by (in my opinion,”biased”) NYK fans, but Texas chuck and loserX came up with a trade along those same lines, that I think is even better:

MIN GIVES: Omari Spellman + Jacob Evans
MIN GETS: Mike Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd

PHI GIVES: Mike Scott, 2021 NYK 2nd, $2 mil cash
PHI GETS: Mike Muscala

OKC GIVES: Mike Muscala, #53
OKC GETS: Omari Spellman

SAC GIVES: nothing (top 55 protected pick) - TPE
SAC GETS: #53, Jacob Evans (waived), $2 mil cash

Why for MIN? They add $1 mil in salary, but get the Knicks 2nd for it. This consolidates a roster spot, and maintains salary with a $5 mil expiring for matching a future trade. And Mike Scott Is old, but he isn’t awful. If we were forced to play him, he’s a PF who shot 37% from three.

Why for PHI? They use a 2nd and $2 mil cash to chop $2.7 off their payroll, to save even more in lux taxes. Muscala’s a little younger, and has some familiarity playing next to the Sixer players in 2019. #53 is cheap, and can be stashed or sold.

Why for OKC? Spellman is a better prospect than anyone they’d find at #53. They save $300,000 too.

Why for SAC? They get a free $1 mil for waiving Evans, using a TPE before it expires.

[Wolveswin]

Would you trade the first pick for Klay Thompson or Paul George ?


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Paul George yes. In a Heartbeat. He is that perfect SF or sometime PF for our team.
I don't trust Klay to be the player he was before.

Neither for me.

George is a flight risk on potential 1 year contract and would never stay in MN.

Klay coming off injury and being blessed with a supporting cast his whole career, not sure by time Wolves are ready he would be viable core player. Plus fact Warriors would never trade him for #1.

[Domejandro]

If HOU looks to rebuild/reorganize this offseason, my #1 target would be Covington. How far off in value would be #17, Culver, Spellman and Evans be for RoCo?


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I thought Roco was traded because he didn’t fit the timeline.

Him being traded helped facilitate the Golden State trade, given that it made next year's first look considerably more attractive.

[KGdaBom]

Would you trade the first pick for Klay Thompson or Paul George ?


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Paul George yes. In a Heartbeat. He is that perfect SF or sometime PF for our team.
I don't trust Klay to be the player he was before.

Neither for me.

George is a flight risk on potential 1 year contract and would never stay in MN.

Klay coming off injury and being blessed with a supporting cast his whole career, not sure by time Wolves are ready he would be viable core player. Plus fact Warriors would never trade him for #1.

One year contract? OK maybe not. Why would he NEVER stay in Minnesota out of curiosity?

[Wolveswin]

Paul George yes. In a Heartbeat. He is that perfect SF or sometime PF for our team.
I don't trust Klay to be the player he was before.

Neither for me.

George is a flight risk on potential 1 year contract and would never stay in MN.

Klay coming off injury and being blessed with a supporting cast his whole career, not sure by time Wolves are ready he would be viable core player. Plus fact Warriors would never trade him for #1.

One year contract? OK maybe not. Why would he NEVER stay in Minnesota out of curiosity?

Nothing against MN. He has always desired to be back in Los Angeles. He is a west coast guy. Not sure why he would stay in MN when his wants and desires about where he wants to work and live are openly made known.

[KGdaBom]

Neither for me.

George is a flight risk on potential 1 year contract and would never stay in MN.

Klay coming off injury and being blessed with a supporting cast his whole career, not sure by time Wolves are ready he would be viable core player. Plus fact Warriors would never trade him for #1.

One year contract? OK maybe not. Why would he NEVER stay in Minnesota out of curiosity?

Nothing against MN. He has always desired to be back in Los Angeles. He is a west coast guy. Not sure why he would stay in MN when his wants and desires about where he wants to work and live are openly made known.

What if the Lakers aren't interested?