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Re: 2020 NBA Draft prospects 

Post#1561 » by Effigy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:48 pm

I'd like to see you guys take Edwards. Go against the grain and go Twin Towers! (Also, I don't want the Warriors to get him) Really, always take the top talent and figure out the rest later.
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Post#1562 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:03 pm

Effigy wrote:I'd like to see you guys take Edwards. Go against the grain and go Twin Towers! (Also, I don't want the Warriors to get him) Really, always take the top talent and figure out the rest later.

I think you mean Wiseman. I like him and believe he is without a doubt the best talent in this draft. However, It's not cool to draft Centers.
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Post#1563 » by Worm Guts » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:19 pm

I think Wiseman is the DeAndre Ayton of this draft. I would be OK with that as long it doesn't mean we're passing up Luka Doncic or Trae Young.
I also don't think the Timberwolves will take Wiseman, so I don't want to get too invested in that possibility.
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Post#1564 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:25 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I think Wiseman is the DeAndre Ayton of this draft. I would be OK with that as long it doesn't mean we're passing up Luka Doncic or Trae Young.
I also don't think the Timberwolves will take Wiseman, so I don't want to get too invested in that possibility.

Probably a higher ceiling and lower floor than Ayton, but good comp. I don't see a Luka or a Trae in this draft and I don't think we will take Wiseman either.
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Post#1565 » by Neeva » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:26 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I think Wiseman is the DeAndre Ayton of this draft. I would be OK with that as long it doesn't mean we're passing up Luka Doncic or Trae Young.
I also don't think the Timberwolves will take Wiseman, so I don't want to get too invested in that possibility.


Agreed, his trade value will just keep sinking the way the league is now.I think ultimately he may even drop to 3rd or 4th.
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Post#1566 » by Norseman79 » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:39 pm

Wiseman will come down to shooting range and handle, if it pans out he should be 1. I just don't put stock in Rosas bumping Kat to the 4. Though Kat trimming up and playing 4 wouldn't be the worst thing, I just don't believe we would do it.
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Post#1567 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:44 pm

Norseman79 wrote:Wiseman will come down to shooting range and handle, if it pans out he should be 1. I just don't put stock in Rosas bumping Kat to the 4. Though Kat trimming up and playing 4 wouldn't be the worst thing, I just don't believe we would do it.

It has always made sense for KAT to be a PF, but it has never worked out on the court.
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Post#1568 » by jpatrick » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:53 pm

Just watched two full games of Edwards. His physical profile is unreal. Quick, long, big body but he does nothing to help a team win. Ball stopper, inconsistent shooter, poor BBIQ, poor defender, lackadaisical on the court. I just don’t see it.

Like Ball quite a bit, just don’t see it working gm with Russell. I hope we get a godfather offer for the pick at the moment.
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Post#1569 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:56 pm

jpatrick wrote:Just watched two full games of Edwards. His physical profile is unreal. Quick, long, big body but he does nothing to help a team win. Ball stopper, inconsistent shooter, poor BBIQ, poor defender, lackadaisical on the court. I just don’t see it.

Like Ball quite a bit, just don’t see it working gm with Russell. I hope we get a godfather offer for the pick at the moment.

Word is that Ball is an actual 6'7" and would play point small forward. If I understand correctly he is already a better assist man than Russell.
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Post#1570 » by jpatrick » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:01 pm

Givony and Schmitz from ESPN, the two best draft analysts in my mind, came out with an article today in which they both said they would take Ball if they were us although they said they think we’ll take Edwards.

Schmitz said that if Ball had 30 games at the college level, in his mind, there would be no debate who the #1 pick is. I’ve watch most of Ball’s Australian league games, I question the fit, but I do think he’s the best player in the draft.
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Post#1571 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:13 pm

jpatrick wrote:Givony and Schmitz from ESPN, the two best draft analysts in my mind, came out with an article today in which they both said they would take Ball if they were us although they said they think we’ll take Edwards.

Schmitz said that if Ball had 30 games at the college level, in his mind, there would be no debate who the #1 pick is. I’ve watch most of Ball’s Australian league games, I question the fit, but I do think he’s the best player in the draft.

I would take issue with best player. I think that's clearly Wiseman.
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Post#1572 » by Effigy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:15 pm

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Effigy wrote:I'd like to see you guys take Edwards. Go against the grain and go Twin Towers! (Also, I don't want the Warriors to get him) Really, always take the top talent and figure out the rest later.

I think you mean Wiseman. I like him and believe he is without a doubt the best talent in this draft. However, It's not cool to draft Centers.


Ooops. Yeah, I meant Wiseman. I'd be curious to see what the warriors do if you take him. He seems like the perfect piece for them, and you taking him seems like it would really screw things up for them. They're good enough, they don't need the perfect piece, lol. They can use some imperfection.
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Post#1573 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:18 pm

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Effigy wrote:I'd like to see you guys take Edwards. Go against the grain and go Twin Towers! (Also, I don't want the Warriors to get him) Really, always take the top talent and figure out the rest later.

I think you mean Wiseman. I like him and believe he is without a doubt the best talent in this draft. However, It's not cool to draft Centers.


Ooops. Yeah, I meant Wiseman. I'd be curious to see what the warriors do if you take him. He seems like the perfect piece for them, and you taking him seems like it would really screw things up for them. They're good enough, they don't need the perfect piece, lol. They can use some imperfection.

If Wiseman goes first I virtually guarantee that the Warriors trade #2.
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Post#1574 » by TheProdigy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:18 pm

jpatrick wrote:Givony and Schmitz from ESPN, the two best draft analysts in my mind, came out with an article today in which they both said they would take Ball if they were us although they said they think we’ll take Edwards.

Schmitz said that if Ball had 30 games at the college level, in his mind, there would be no debate who the #1 pick is. I’ve watch most of Ball’s Australian league games, I question the fit, but I do think he’s the best player in the draft.

I won't pretend to understand the talent level in the Australian Basketball League. Could someone with a better knowledge of international basketball explain how it stacks up compared to Euroleague, Spanish, French, Israeli, etc. When I watch LaMelo's highlights, I see him going against a bunch of unathletic stiffs so it's concerning how awful his scoring stats were. Is the Australian league even better than say SEC college games?
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Post#1575 » by D1SGRUNTL3D » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:24 pm

Just **** over Golden State and taking wiseman is worth it, while they draft Edwards for the bench.


Can Ayton run the floor like Wiseman? I picture Wiseman springy like KG or KAT while Aytons more traditional like Embiid.
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Post#1576 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:26 pm

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:Just **** over Golden State and taking wiseman is worth it, while they draft Edwards for the bench.


Can Ayton run the floor like Wiseman? I picture Wiseman springy like KG or KAT while Aytons more traditional like Embiid.

A well deserved plus one for you. :D
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Post#1577 » by jpatrick » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:47 pm

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jpatrick wrote:Givony and Schmitz from ESPN, the two best draft analysts in my mind, came out with an article today in which they both said they would take Ball if they were us although they said they think we’ll take Edwards.

Schmitz said that if Ball had 30 games at the college level, in his mind, there would be no debate who the #1 pick is. I’ve watch most of Ball’s Australian league games, I question the fit, but I do think he’s the best player in the draft.

I won't pretend to understand the talent level in the Australian Basketball League. Could someone with a better knowledge of international basketball explain how it stacks up compared to Euroleague, Spanish, French, Israeli, etc. When I watch LaMelo's highlights, I see him going against a bunch of unathletic stiffs so it's concerning how awful his scoring stats were. Is the Australian league even better than say SEC college games?


Out of the leagues you mentioned, it and the Israeli leagues would be by far the two worst. Euroleague would be the best, followed by Spanish league, with the French, German and a few other leagues in between the top two and the Aussie/Israeli leagues.

The NBL (Australian league) is very physical though. The game I watched lasted night, the opposing center was Andrew Bogut. I think the best NBL teams would do well against college basketballs best teams. I just took a look back at Lonzo’s UCLA team that toured Australia that had multiple future NBA players. They split their games against the NBL.

And you have to remember, Ball’s team wasn’t great with him but absolutely nosedived without him. Plus, his numbers improved throughout the season; he almost averaged a triple double the last five; and he was the first NBL player to ever have back-to-back triple doubles. That’s pretty impressive at age 18.
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Post#1578 » by KGdaBom » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:52 pm

jpatrick wrote:
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jpatrick wrote:Givony and Schmitz from ESPN, the two best draft analysts in my mind, came out with an article today in which they both said they would take Ball if they were us although they said they think we’ll take Edwards.

Schmitz said that if Ball had 30 games at the college level, in his mind, there would be no debate who the #1 pick is. I’ve watch most of Ball’s Australian league games, I question the fit, but I do think he’s the best player in the draft.

I won't pretend to understand the talent level in the Australian Basketball League. Could someone with a better knowledge of international basketball explain how it stacks up compared to Euroleague, Spanish, French, Israeli, etc. When I watch LaMelo's highlights, I see him going against a bunch of unathletic stiffs so it's concerning how awful his scoring stats were. Is the Australian league even better than say SEC college games?


Out of the leagues you mentioned, it and the Israeli leagues would be by far the two worst. Euroleague would be the best, followed by Spanish league, with the French, German and a few other leagues in between the top two and the Aussie/Israeli leagues.

The NBL (Australian league) is very physical though. The game I watched lasted night, the opposing center was Andrew Bogut. I think the best NBL teams would do well against college basketballs best teams. I just took a look back at Lonzo’s UCLA team that toured Australia that had multiple future NBA players. They split their games against the NBL.

And you have to remember, Ball’s team wasn’t great with him but absolutely nosedived without him. Plus, his numbers improved throughout the season; he almost averaged a triple double the last five; and he was the first NBL player to ever have back-to-back triple doubles. That’s pretty impressive at age 18.

Ball definitely finished strong and that gives me some hope for him. I can't go with your assessment that he is a better pick than Wiseman.
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Post#1579 » by younggunsmn » Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:58 pm

Well IMHO Wiseman is the only unicorn in this draft.
The efficiency stats on Edwards and Ball are gross.
Unless there is a giant screaming red flag on Wiseman, we shouldn't pass on him.

Drafting lamelo is my nightmare scenario, not a fan at all. terrible awful shooting numbers in a weak league.
He may have gotten taller, but he's still a string bean.

I stand by my Dion Waiters comp for Anthony Edwards.
He's a little bit more explosive, he just doesn't look like even a net positive player to me when it comes to helping his team win.
Looks like a guy who will disappear if he isn't getting 20 shots (remind you of another former #1 pick we just traded away?).

It's really too bad we can't have workouts this year, and only 3 games of film on Wiseman.
The length is legit with him at least on film, he made precious achiuwa look pretty small in comparison.
I liked the mechanics on his shot, he looks like a guy who can shoot 75%+ from the line and be consistent in the midrange.
He looks more athletic than ayton on tape.

Rather than copy the rest of the league, I would like to see us go twin towers.
It would be interesting to see if having another rim runner threat will help keep opponents from loading up on KAT,
and how he would be defensively with a weakside shotblocker (similiar to the brook lopez/giannis dynamic).
The League clearly doesnt care about defense anymore, we should be trying to force other teams to match up with us instead.

I used to like Givony and Schmitz when they ran DX, they do solid work, but I don't trust anything from them since they sold out to Disney-spn.
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Post#1580 » by urinesane » Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:05 pm

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Norseman79 wrote:Wiseman will come down to shooting range and handle, if it pans out he should be 1. I just don't put stock in Rosas bumping Kat to the 4. Though Kat trimming up and playing 4 wouldn't be the worst thing, I just don't believe we would do it.

It has always made sense for KAT to be a PF, but it has never worked out on the court.


I think they'd probably have Wiseman be the 4 to start since KAT is more physically developed. A year or two in I think they would switch, but ultimately it would come down to match ups.

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