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With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects

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Who would you draft

Enes Kanter
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23%
Derrick Williams
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32%
someone else
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6%
trade the pick
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37%
not sure
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3%
 
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#161 » by shangrila » Wed May 18, 2011 3:06 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:I'm excited about the prospect of a Beasley/Williams/Love frontcourt, but I think you have to have a special coach to make it work (we dont). I don't see any other lineup options if you want to keep those 3 guys and get your best players on the floor. Williams looks like a PF all the way. His entire game is based around having a slower guy on him and being able to burn him on the face up or drain a jumper if you try to protect yourself with space. He's a finisher and belongs around the rim. You put him 25 feet out as a SF and thats all gone.

But you wouldn't have to put him that far out, especially if he's next to Love. Put Williams in the post against the smaller guys and then, when he's with Beas, you can have him beating PFs off the dribble.

The problem I have with passing on Williams is that there doesn't look like there's anything better. Kanter will recreate the Love-Jefferson dilemna, Biyombo is too raw, don't need Knight or Walker, etc. Then, the kind of players you would want that would require that #2 pick, the Marc Gasols, Jordans, etc, all come from teams that have PF well, well covered.

I would rather pick Williams and go after someone like Kaman or Okafor than reach on a lesser prospect just for "fit". We're not at this point yet.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#162 » by jpatrick » Wed May 18, 2011 3:13 pm

Is Kanter a better fit next to Love than Jefferson? He's about the same height, doesn't have Al's length and therefore has a lower standing reach and is about the same level of athletiscm. Unless he absolutely wows during workouts, which I don't know if its possible since I don't think he'll workout against anybody, you have to go with Williams if you keep the pick.

I just don't see them keeping the pick though. I think it'll be moved for a true center (Bynum, Lopez, Bogut or Varajeao/4?) or a wing that can create (Turner, Gordon?).
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#163 » by Devilzsidewalk » Wed May 18, 2011 3:32 pm

what do we even know about Kanter though that justifies taking him #2? Even if everything projects out, you're still not getting the defense, length, and athleticism that we need. That was the whole point of the Biyombo fetish, his game and style fits like a glove. If we're going to force a BPA, it has to be Williams. His game has improved exponentially the past 3 years. Its crazy to think in high school he was looked at as a solid athlete but not that vertical, and a respectable shooter but nothing more. Now he's hitting 57% of his threes, does all his inside work above the rim, and potentially the #1 pick.

I like guys that have such drastic improvement in their games like that. It means basketball is a priority in his life. Not just for the status or the money, but for the competition.

The only real question is his size. How many elite offensive PFs are that size in recent times? Elite defensive ones isn't a problem, you have Josh Smith, Kenyon Martin etc, but on offense...Antawn Jamison? David West? Not really "elite" though. He's going to need to set a new standard.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#164 » by shangrila » Wed May 18, 2011 3:39 pm

Or maybe he doesn't have to be "elite"?

For a weak draft like this I would be more than happy to get a starter/6th man out of this pick. Aiming any higher would be unrealistic IMO
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#165 » by Devilzsidewalk » Wed May 18, 2011 3:42 pm

we can get a starter/6th man with an MLE. For the #2 pick in the draft the expectations should be at least borderline all star potential.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#166 » by Krapinsky » Wed May 18, 2011 3:44 pm

Klomp wrote:I'm still not completely sold on him, but I think you have to take Kanter over Williams if you keep the pick. I think if he would've played at Kentucky last season, he would be the one in Seacaucus last night, not Kyrie.


And what supporting evidence do you have to support this theory? Because all I have is one game.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#167 » by TexasGopher » Wed May 18, 2011 3:46 pm

Rubio comes in

Draft:
#2 = Derrick Williams
Trade #20, Michael Beasly, Flynn and filler to the Jazz for pick #12
#12 = Alec Burks

FA = Sign Samuel Dalembert and T.J. Ford

Wolves Roster:

Rubio/T.J. Ford
Wes Johnson/Alec Burks/Ellington
D. WIlliams/Martell Webster
K. Love/Anthony Tolliver
AR/Dalembert/Darko
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#168 » by Worm Guts » Wed May 18, 2011 4:06 pm

shangrila wrote:You're looking at it too narrowly.

If you keep Williams then you bring him off the bench and get:

-A high energy rebounder
-A scorer
-A shooter, so you can play the same sets offensively when Love leaves
-Someone who can score in the post, something this team doesn't have
-I could think of some more but I'll just say etc.

I really don't understand why getting Williams means trading Beasley or vice versa. Williams pretty much compliments both Love and Beasley, as well as Rubio. Is he a need? No, but this is a 2 person draft. I would rather have an awesome 6th man than a lesser player at centre.


I think somebody has to be traded. Drafting Williams means that him, Beasley and Love take up all the forward minutes and that Randolph and Johnson will be playing exclusively out of position.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#169 » by Klomp » Wed May 18, 2011 4:08 pm

TexasGopher wrote:Trade #20, Michael Beasly, Flynn and filler to the Jazz for pick #12
#12 = Alec Burks

I like Burks a lot, but YUCK!
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#170 » by C.lupus » Wed May 18, 2011 4:11 pm

Yep that's seriously overpaying for the #12 pick.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#171 » by TexasGopher » Wed May 18, 2011 4:13 pm

C.lupus wrote:Yep that's seriously overpaying for the #12 pick.


It is true, I suck at trade value. So, what could they give up? Does a lineup like that even interest anyone?
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#172 » by Ming Kong! » Wed May 18, 2011 4:18 pm

Hey guys, what are some trade scenarios that the Wolves would be interested in with Utah come the day of the draft?

Here are the assets Utah has

2011 #3
2011 #12
2012 GS first round pick (top 6 protected)

Al Jefferson $14,000,000
Mehmet Okur $10,890,000
Devin Harris $9,319,000
Paul Millsap $6,700,000
Derrick Favors $4,443,360
CJ Miles $3,700,000
Raja Bell $3,240,000
Gordon Hayward $2,532,960
Jeremy Evans $788,872
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#173 » by Ming Kong! » Wed May 18, 2011 4:21 pm

Also can you guys add a poll on the thread. I'd like to see what the Wolves fans think will happen with the pick (poll is easier to break down).
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#174 » by funkatron101 » Wed May 18, 2011 4:34 pm

Ming Kong! wrote:Also can you guys add a poll on the thread. I'd like to see what the Wolves fans think will happen with the pick (poll is easier to break down).

Uh, whut?
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#175 » by C.lupus » Wed May 18, 2011 4:35 pm

I'm confused. Did you want a different poll than the one already in this thread?

Are any of Utah's assets untouchable or is everything you listed available? I would be interested in Favors, the #12, and/or the GSW 2012 pick. Are you looking to do a complete rebuild?
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#176 » by jpatrick » Wed May 18, 2011 4:46 pm

I think the Wolves first option is trading the #2 for a mid-twenties fringe all-star center or wing. If that fails, I could see a 2/20 for 3/12 or a 2/20 for 3 and the Warriors pick trade happening. It depends on how high Utah is on Williams and how high Kahn is on Kanter and Biyombo.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#177 » by shangrila » Wed May 18, 2011 4:51 pm

Worm Guts wrote:I think somebody has to be traded. Drafting Williams means that him, Beasley and Love take up all the forward minutes and that Randolph and Johnson will be playing exclusively out of position.

I'm still not seeing a problem. Johnson will be fine at SG and Randolph...well, the only chance he has of being long term is at centre anyway.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#178 » by Esohny » Wed May 18, 2011 4:55 pm

jpatrick wrote:I think the Wolves first option is trading the #2 for a mid-twenties fringe all-star center or wing. If that fails, I could see a 2/20 for 3/12 or a 2/20 for 3 and the Warriors pick trade happening. It depends on how high Utah is on Williams and how high Kahn is on Kanter and Biyombo.


Or Favors.
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#179 » by Ming Kong! » Wed May 18, 2011 5:00 pm

funkatron101 wrote:
Ming Kong! wrote:Also can you guys add a poll on the thread. I'd like to see what the Wolves fans think will happen with the pick (poll is easier to break down).

Uh, whut?


My bad didn't see it. :lol:
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Re: With the 2nd pick in 2011 NBA Draft, Minnesota selects 

Post#180 » by Ming Kong! » Wed May 18, 2011 5:05 pm

C.lupus wrote:I'm confused. Did you want a different poll than the one already in this thread?

Are any of Utah's assets untouchable or is everything you listed available? I would be interested in Favors, the #12, and/or the GSW 2012 pick. Are you looking to do a complete rebuild?


Favors and the #12 for the #2? I'd probably pass on that. I think Favors is worth more than the #2. I'm not being biased either, he was the #3 pick in a good draft. He was showing a ton of promise on both ends of the court in April.

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