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Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET

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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#161 » by AirP. » Fri Mar 2, 2018 5:28 pm

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Murphs56 wrote:Anyone else worried about the Wolves making the playoffs? Like this stretch of games coming up is brutal.


It’s a pretty real possibility that we miss out. There’s not much separating us from 9th in the West and now Gibson might be injured too.

It would be devastating to miss the playoffs with the way we started the season and the huge playoff draught.

I get it being devastating to the fans with the huge playoff drought, but this is on the players for giving poor effort against a number of bad teams throughout the season. This team could easily be sitting at 40+ wins right now if that had taken a number of games more seriously.
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Post#162 » by urinesane » Fri Mar 2, 2018 6:10 pm

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Shem wrote:Did you think the refereeing was good December 18? Or are you going to continue to dodge that game and continue to turn a blind eye to the irony?

It may surprise you to know that we haven't all been watching Dec 18 memorial videos. I personally long ago forgot about the officiating of a random game 2+ months ago. Glad to hear you had this rematch circled on your calendar though.

That's what we call faulty logic. The poorly officiated game on Dec. 18 was the 1st game of the series. This was the 4th game. And the Blazers won the last match up as well. Meaning, it doesn't make sense that I had the 4th game of the series marked on my calendar after the first game of the series. Or did you forget how many times our teams have played this year. Sounds to me you didn't have a clue about that very fact. Or you wouldn't have said what you said. In a way, you sort burned yourself without realizing it.


Judging from your post to And1 ratio, I take it people on the Blazer's board don't like you either :lol:
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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#163 » by Killboard » Fri Mar 2, 2018 8:13 pm

Props to our great scoring PG for shooting 5/14, 13 points, 5 assists and 5 TO's. It will be great with more gelling.
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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#164 » by Killboard » Fri Mar 2, 2018 8:24 pm

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Yeah, people need to stop with Tyus stuff. Teague might not be ideal but from what I've seen of Tyus lately going in that direction isn't going to change anything. He is what he is, a back up pg

Sure, I get your point. I think a floor spacing PG would fit our roster best as currently constructed. I was really hoping Teague would mold into that based on his year in Indy


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I don’t think of either as floor spacers, but Teague is shooting better than Tyus.


Yes. He is shooting .024 better from the 3pt line in 0.5 more attempts per 100 possessions. He also has 2.2 more assists and 2.1 more TO's per100.
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Post#165 » by AirP. » Fri Mar 2, 2018 8:28 pm

Killboard wrote:Props to our great scoring PG for shooting 5/14, 13 points, 5 assists and 5 TO's. It will be great with more gelling.

Teague wasn't good... so what's your thoughts on Wiggins last night?

Teague 5-14 (38%), 13 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 ast, 5 TO, 2 St, 1 blk -8 in 36 minutes
Wiggins 7-20 (35%), 21 pts, 5 rebounds, 3 ast, 4 TO, 0 St, 1 blk -9 in 38 minutes
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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#166 » by Neeva » Fri Mar 2, 2018 8:43 pm

I don't mind missing the playoffs , this team as is would get murdered anyway. :nonono:
Just use the lotto pick with the okc pick and move up to get Doncic or get another star, trade teague regroup for 2019 real playoff run.
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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#167 » by Killboard » Fri Mar 2, 2018 8:49 pm

AirP. wrote:
Killboard wrote:Props to our great scoring PG for shooting 5/14, 13 points, 5 assists and 5 TO's. It will be great with more gelling.

Teague wasn't good... so what's your thoughts on Wiggins last night?

Teague 5-14 (38%), 13 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 ast, 5 TO, 2 St, 1 blk -8 in 36 minutes
Wiggins 7-20 (35%), 21 pts, 5 rebounds, 3 ast, 4 TO, 0 St, 1 blk -9 in 38 minutes


Im not a great Wiggins fan, but he actually surprised my for his activity in the defensive side. Nothing spectacular, but at least he has the best seasons in the future and wasnt bringed in for his maturity and ability to run an offense.
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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#168 » by AirP. » Fri Mar 2, 2018 9:40 pm

Killboard wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Killboard wrote:Props to our great scoring PG for shooting 5/14, 13 points, 5 assists and 5 TO's. It will be great with more gelling.

Teague wasn't good... so what's your thoughts on Wiggins last night?

Teague 5-14 (38%), 13 pts, 5 rebounds, 5 ast, 5 TO, 2 St, 1 blk -8 in 36 minutes
Wiggins 7-20 (35%), 21 pts, 5 rebounds, 3 ast, 4 TO, 0 St, 1 blk -9 in 38 minutes


Im not a great Wiggins fan, but he actually surprised my for his activity in the defensive side. Nothing spectacular, but at least he has the best seasons in the future and wasnt bringed in for his maturity and ability to run an offense.

Nice answer, I was happy with his activity level last night and I'm fine with him with man to man defense(just not his off the ball defense). I just wish he'd quit jacking up bad shots(mid range shots) which hurts the team and keep giving effort each night, not worth the max but would help thi steam greatly.

You have to understand Teague was basically the best PG they could get last summer. Rubio was moved for multiple reasons, lack of an outside shot while adding another starting playmaker in Butler, probably wouldn't be able to retain him after this contract is up and that 1st round pick to add cheap talent to a franchise moving forward.

Wiggins on his best seasons in the future, I'm not sure how much better he'll get, you'd expect him to get better with time in the NBA yet here we are in season 4 of his NBA career and he's not shown much growth at all(I'd expect everyone here wouldn't have been happy to draft him knowing he'd be like this in season 4). I really think he's gotta get out of his comfort zone before he changes and that might mean a trade and even then I'm not sure his mentality on getting better(putting in more work) will change.
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Post#169 » by Killboard » Fri Mar 2, 2018 10:04 pm

AirP. wrote:You have to understand Teague was basically the best PG they could get last summer. Rubio was moved for multiple reasons, lack of an outside shot while adding another starting playmaker in Butler, probably wouldn't be able to retain him after this contract is up and that 1st round pick to add cheap talent to a franchise moving forward.

Wiggins on his best seasons in the future, I'm not sure how much better he'll get, you'd expect him to get better with time in the NBA yet here we are in season 4 of his NBA career and he's not shown much growth at all(I'd expect everyone here wouldn't have been happy to draft him knowing he'd be like this in season 4). I really think he's gotta get out of his comfort zone before he changes and that might mean a trade and even then I'm not sure his mentality on getting better(putting in more work) will change.


Well, I dont think an upgrade at the PG position was a need. Actually the PG position was the only position where the wolves had a competent young veteran locked. Ricky wasnt a needle mover in the sense of make the playoffs by himself, but he wasnt the reason why we sucked all those years neither. He proved to be a plus player in both sides of the floor several seasons where he was surrounded by a lot of marginal NBA players. The first round pick dont make up the fact we wasnt able to get depth at the wings this offseason, which is a real killer IMO. And Im not agree with his extension, I think he will recieve similar offers to his current salary since he hasnt developed a shot to put him in the next level. If he wasnt happy here for the role Thibs gave him to start the season, thats on Thibs. Rubio was loyal and a high effort player all his time here.

Regarding Wiggins, I think he will only improve. If he will be worth a max contract is another whole topic and Im not really sure. He seems to be an outlier in some regards but you cant put money on that. Wished the wolves would have waited like the spurs did with Kawhi if he wasnt ready to sign for 20M per season, or traded him for high level role players. The general rule says if you arent sure about a player is worth a max contract, then you shouldnt offer it.
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Post#170 » by Shem » Fri Mar 2, 2018 11:01 pm

urinesane wrote:
Shem wrote:
LordBaldric wrote:It may surprise you to know that we haven't all been watching Dec 18 memorial videos. I personally long ago forgot about the officiating of a random game 2+ months ago. Glad to hear you had this rematch circled on your calendar though.

That's what we call faulty logic. The poorly officiated game on Dec. 18 was the 1st game of the series. This was the 4th game. And the Blazers won the last match up as well. Meaning, it doesn't make sense that I had the 4th game of the series marked on my calendar after the first game of the series. Or did you forget how many times our teams have played this year. Sounds to me you didn't have a clue about that very fact. Or you wouldn't have said what you said. In a way, you sort burned yourself without realizing it.


Judging from your post to And1 ratio, I take it people on the Blazer's board don't like you either :lol:

When you use ad hominem attacks like what you and others have done around here, it means you can't argue with the facts I have brought up. Which means I have won the argument I have presented. Only smart would understand what I'm saying. ;)

But since you brought up my And1 count. I should point out that I had over 9,000 posts before they put in the And1 feature in. And that should have been obvious by my sign up date. But then again, faulty logic along with ad hominem attack is the best I can get. Which again tells me you need to work on your debate skills.

And while you think about that, chew on this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-wronged-by-the-refs-the-most/

We Blazer fans have more to complain about than you Wolves fans this year. But you see, the difference is I know how to argue with facts. You guys don't.
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Post#171 » by AirP. » Fri Mar 2, 2018 11:27 pm

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Well, I dont think an upgrade at the PG position was a need. Actually the PG position was the only position where the wolves had a competent young veteran locked. Ricky wasnt a needle mover in the sense of make the playoffs by himself, but he wasnt the reason why we sucked all those years neither. He proved to be a plus player in both sides of the floor several seasons where he was surrounded by a lot of marginal NBA players. The first round pick dont make up the fact we wasnt able to get depth at the wings this offseason, which is a real killer IMO. And Im not agree with his extension, I think he will recieve similar offers to his current salary since he hasnt developed a shot to put him in the next level. If he wasnt happy here for the role Thibs gave him to start the season, thats on Thibs. Rubio was loyal and a high effort player all his time here.


As it stands now unless Wiggins is moved or Butler isn't extended, Minnesota isn't going to be able to pay a PG or even a PF what they are now. The summer of 2019 would have had Butler, Towns and Rubio all looking to get paid while Wiggins would have been making around 30 million a year himself. You're going to be handing another ~60 million to Towns and Butler and at that point you've spent ~90 million of the cap, there's not going to be really that much room to pay the rest of the 9-12 players on the active roster and that's where that #1 pick in 2018 comes into play, a rookie contract player being in the rotation instead of a near minimum contract player taking that spot. This is all taking place without even mentioning Dieng may not be able to be traded and his 15-16 million is still on the books(now 105 million for 4 players).

Killboard wrote:Regarding Wiggins, I think he will only improve. If he will be worth a max contract is another whole topic and Im not really sure. He seems to be an outlier in some regards but you cant put money on that. Wished the wolves would have waited like the spurs did with Kawhi if he wasnt ready to sign for 20M per season, or traded him for high level role players. The general rule says if you arent sure about a player is worth a max contract, then you shouldnt offer it.

If Minnesota is considering trading Wiggins then trading him after he's under contract is easier then trading him without the extension because he would have some say in where he goes because he could refuse to sign an extension with the team he's trying to be traded to. Even if Wiggins becomes a good/efficient scorer he'd make Butler at 30 million basically an overpaid defensive player and that would hurt the team also.

I just think this team will be vastly different the summer of 2019 and the OKC pick this summer will need to be a rotation player by that season(season 2 for that player). The player drafted this summer will be very important to the franchise.
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Post#172 » by K4P » Sat Mar 3, 2018 3:07 am

eh, can't get too bummed over this one. We still have all of the tiebreakers and I feel like this Wolves team can still beat the Blazers in a series even without Butler. Just need to get more out of the bench, whether that means to try new lineups, call up Gleaguers, or even signing someone. Whatever it takes.

As Calinks said, we struggle to hang with these 3pt shooting teams, but even with that flaw I feel like our offense is too good to succumb to those defensive lapses, just need every player to be all in. We got this!
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Post#173 » by minimus » Sat Mar 3, 2018 8:13 am

KAT4PREZ wrote:eh, can't get too bummed over this one. We still have all of the tiebreakers and I feel like this Wolves team can still beat the Blazers in a series even without Butler. Just need to get more out of the bench, whether that means to try new lineups, call up Gleaguers, or even signing someone. Whatever it takes.

As Calinks said, we struggle to hang with these 3pt shooting teams, but even with that flaw I feel like our offense is too good to succumb to those defensive lapses, just need every player to be all in. We got this!

We struggle against well coached teams, because they play their strength and keep exploring our weaknesses. That said 3pt game is part of game plan for any team against us, since we cant defend perimeter.
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Post#174 » by urinesane » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:36 pm

Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Shem wrote:That's what we call faulty logic. The poorly officiated game on Dec. 18 was the 1st game of the series. This was the 4th game. And the Blazers won the last match up as well. Meaning, it doesn't make sense that I had the 4th game of the series marked on my calendar after the first game of the series. Or did you forget how many times our teams have played this year. Sounds to me you didn't have a clue about that very fact. Or you wouldn't have said what you said. In a way, you sort burned yourself without realizing it.


Judging from your post to And1 ratio, I take it people on the Blazer's board don't like you either :lol:

When you use ad hominem attacks like what you and others have done around here, it means you can't argue with the facts I have brought up. Which means I have won the argument I have presented. Only smart would understand what I'm saying. ;)

But since you brought up my And1 count. I should point out that I had over 9,000 posts before they put in the And1 feature in. And that should have been obvious by my sign up date. But then again, faulty logic along with ad hominem attack is the best I can get. Which again tells me you need to work on your debate skills.

And while you think about that, chew on this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-wronged-by-the-refs-the-most/

We Blazer fans have more to complain about than you Wolves fans this year. But you see, the difference is I know how to argue with facts. You guys don't.


The fact is, you're annoying and you don't have to be here.

Nothing to debate.
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Post#175 » by Shem » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:38 pm

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Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Judging from your post to And1 ratio, I take it people on the Blazer's board don't like you either :lol:

When you use ad hominem attacks like what you and others have done around here, it means you can't argue with the facts I have brought up. Which means I have won the argument I have presented. Only smart would understand what I'm saying. ;)

But since you brought up my And1 count. I should point out that I had over 9,000 posts before they put in the And1 feature in. And that should have been obvious by my sign up date. But then again, faulty logic along with ad hominem attack is the best I can get. Which again tells me you need to work on your debate skills.

And while you think about that, chew on this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-wronged-by-the-refs-the-most/

We Blazer fans have more to complain about than you Wolves fans this year. But you see, the difference is I know how to argue with facts. You guys don't.


The fact is, you're annoying and you don't have to be here.

Nothing to debate.

No it's not a fact that I'm annoying. It's a subjected opinion. There is a difference. And once you figure there is a difference, life may go more smoother for you.
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HotrodBeaubois wrote:That's the Whole Point Portland is No better than Dallas
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Post#176 » by urinesane » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:39 pm

Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Shem wrote:When you use ad hominem attacks like what you and others have done around here, it means you can't argue with the facts I have brought up. Which means I have won the argument I have presented. Only smart would understand what I'm saying. ;)

But since you brought up my And1 count. I should point out that I had over 9,000 posts before they put in the And1 feature in. And that should have been obvious by my sign up date. But then again, faulty logic along with ad hominem attack is the best I can get. Which again tells me you need to work on your debate skills.

And while you think about that, chew on this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-wronged-by-the-refs-the-most/

We Blazer fans have more to complain about than you Wolves fans this year. But you see, the difference is I know how to argue with facts. You guys don't.


The fact is, you're annoying and you don't have to be here.

Nothing to debate.

No it's not a fact that I'm annoying. It's a subjected opinion. There is a difference. And once you figure there is a difference, life may go more smoother for you.


I think it's funny that you think people care what you think.
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Post#177 » by Shem » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:41 pm

urinesane wrote:
Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
The fact is, you're annoying and you don't have to be here.

Nothing to debate.

No it's not a fact that I'm annoying. It's a subjected opinion. There is a difference. And once you figure there is a difference, life may go more smoother for you.


I think it's funny that you think people care what you think.

I think it's funny that you can't resist me. I think it's funny that you claim people don't care what I think and yet can't stop replying to me. That's a contradiction by itself. I think it's funny that people like you can't debate about the topic at hand and have to resort to personal attacks because they can't argue the points I'm making because deep down people like you know I'm right.
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HotrodBeaubois wrote:That's the Whole Point Portland is No better than Dallas
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Post#178 » by urinesane » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:45 pm

Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Shem wrote:No it's not a fact that I'm annoying. It's a subjected opinion. There is a difference. And once you figure there is a difference, life may go more smoother for you.


I think it's funny that you think people care what you think.

I think it's funny that you can't resist me. I think it's funny that you claim people don't care what I think and yet can't stop replying to me. That's a contradiction by itself. I think it's funny that people like you can't debate about the topic at hand and have to resort to personal attacks because they can't argue the points I'm making because deep down people like you know I'm right.


I haven't even read your posts, I just think it's obvious you are annoying and nobody likes you.

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That's all I got for ya, enjoy typing posts breaking down debate tactics on a nerdy sports forum in a couple day old game thread on a Saturday morning.

I heard your Mom bought pizza rolls btw, so that's cool.
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Post#179 » by PharmD » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:46 pm

Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
Shem wrote:When you use ad hominem attacks like what you and others have done around here, it means you can't argue with the facts I have brought up. Which means I have won the argument I have presented. Only smart would understand what I'm saying. ;)

But since you brought up my And1 count. I should point out that I had over 9,000 posts before they put in the And1 feature in. And that should have been obvious by my sign up date. But then again, faulty logic along with ad hominem attack is the best I can get. Which again tells me you need to work on your debate skills.

And while you think about that, chew on this:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-wronged-by-the-refs-the-most/

We Blazer fans have more to complain about than you Wolves fans this year. But you see, the difference is I know how to argue with facts. You guys don't.


The fact is, you're annoying and you don't have to be here.

Nothing to debate.

No it's not a fact that I'm annoying. It's a subjected opinion. There is a difference. And once you figure there is a difference, life may go more smoother for you.

a subjected opinion?
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Re: Game 65: Minnesota Timberwolves (38-26) @ Portland Trailblazers (35-26) - 10:30 PM ET 

Post#180 » by Shem » Sat Mar 3, 2018 6:49 pm

PharmD wrote:
Shem wrote:
urinesane wrote:
The fact is, you're annoying and you don't have to be here.

Nothing to debate.

No it's not a fact that I'm annoying. It's a subjected opinion. There is a difference. And once you figure there is a difference, life may go more smoother for you.

a subjected opinion?

Damn auto correct. "Subjective" ;)
April 4, 2014:
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