Lowe - Timberwolves Still Want D-Russell

[KGdaBom]

I'm getting pretty worried about what may have to give up to get Russell. I'm not comfortable moving Covington, Okogie, or maybe even Culver for him. I think we would have to give up some combination of big assets though.

You really think so highly of Okogie that you would pass on Russell? Okogie is a nice rotation player, but come on. I guess that just shows how much trouble the Wolves have had developing even passable rotation players. The better NBA development teams develop an Okogie out of more drafts than not. Russell is an entirely different level.

The only scenario the Wolves get Russell is if Kyrie signs in Brooklyn. If he does, the Nets will rescind the rights to D Lo or will do a sign and trade. If that's the case, it's not as much about assets as it is cap space on both sides.

I think Okogie and/or a protected 1st will be enough to get rid of an expiring Teague. The Russell scenario is not really about assets, it's about signing scenarios and intent that create a path of dominos falling in a certain way.

If Kyrie signs with Brooklyn and D Lo wants to sign with the Wolves...he won't be that expensive to get here at all.

I don't think it costs us anything to move Teague.

[TheZachAttack]

I'm getting pretty worried about what may have to give up to get Russell. I'm not comfortable moving Covington, Okogie, or maybe even Culver for him. I think we would have to give up some combination of big assets though.

You really think so highly of Okogie that you would pass on Russell? Okogie is a nice rotation player, but come on. I guess that just shows how much trouble the Wolves have had developing even passable rotation players. The better NBA development teams develop an Okogie out of more drafts than not. Russell is an entirely different level.

The only scenario the Wolves get Russell is if Kyrie signs in Brooklyn. If he does, the Nets will rescind the rights to D Lo or will do a sign and trade. If that's the case, it's not as much about assets as it is cap space on both sides.

I think Okogie and/or a protected 1st will be enough to get rid of an expiring Teague. The Russell scenario is not really about assets, it's about signing scenarios and intent that create a path of dominos falling in a certain way.

If Kyrie signs with Brooklyn and D Lo wants to sign with the Wolves...he won't be that expensive to get here at all.

I don't think it costs us anything to move Teague.

I think it costs us something to move Teague within the timeframe we want to move him with teams knowing that we want to move quickly to make other moves on a condensed timeline. We do not have the leverage.

I do not think that Teague is a negative asset, but I do not think he's a particular positive asset either.

[wesleyt95]

Lets not forget Okogie shoots mostly bricks, if he’s the cost of attaining a 23yo all star so be it

[GeekFreak]

I'm getting pretty worried about what may have to give up to get Russell. I'm not comfortable moving Covington, Okogie, or maybe even Culver for him. I think we would have to give up some combination of big assets though.

You really think so highly of Okogie that you would pass on Russell? Okogie is a nice rotation player, but come on. I guess that just shows how much trouble the Wolves have had developing even passable rotation players. The better NBA development teams develop an Okogie out of more drafts than not. Russell is an entirely different level.

The only scenario the Wolves get Russell is if Kyrie signs in Brooklyn. If he does, the Nets will rescind the rights to D Lo or will do a sign and trade. If that's the case, it's not as much about assets as it is cap space on both sides.

I think Okogie and/or a protected 1st will be enough to get rid of an expiring Teague. The Russell scenario is not really about assets, it's about signing scenarios and intent that create a path of dominos falling in a certain way.

If Kyrie signs with Brooklyn and D Lo wants to sign with the Wolves...he won't be that expensive to get here at all.

I hadn't seen a rookie come into the league like Josh Okogie since Russell Westbrook. I remember seeing Westbrook his first year and thinking he reminded me of a Dethawed Caveman, he was strong and athletic but very little finesse or nuance to his game, but he played SUPER HARD. All the same things I see with Josh. With Josh's strength athleticism and determination he could really be something. Westbrook's game was crude as heck at one time as well and no one thought he'd be the player he became. D-Lo's got skills and all, but I don't trust his character and makeup that much. Can't we just take steps forward and not have to take steps back as well?

[Calinks]

I'm just not sold on Russell. I like Okogie as a young asset who can grow. Love his energy. I could see Russell reverting back to old ways and we may have a really high inconsistent player. I don't want to be paying Russell Paul George money while he winds up being Ricky Davis.

All in all I just wish we could have nabbed Garland. Hear some people see him as the second best player in the draft, he just dropped because of his injury. Now we got to give something up to bring in a guy who may not be able to maintain his one great season.

[Grubie024]

Wolves have a lack of assets and I'm not high enough on D Lo to give any up for the right to pay him(likely max).

[Neeva]

Not like russell was all that great as a rookie either. okogie shows great potential and you can’t teach that hustle.

[theGreatRC]

Okogie has something you can't teach; heart, motor & work ethic..he's always in the gym or doing something basketball related from what I see on social media...I full expect him to become a known name in the NBA next year.

I'd rather move Teague/Culver/future 1st are the only 3 things i'd move for DLO.

[wesleyt95]

Good chance Culver is better than Okogie now and always will be, just saying

[GeekFreak]

Good chance Culver is better than Okogie now and always will be, just saying

Culver has much more skill and nuance, but Josh has that animalistic Westbrook quality to him. How bout we just keep them both. Build around high character guys and stay away from mentally unbalanced tated up freaks.

[Neeva]

Okogie and culver need to be here as long as kat is around, anyone else can go IMO.

[Tukkerwolf]

Why the sudden rush to move now. I think almost everyone here loves our wings in Okogie, RoCo and initial views of Culver, so why hurry in an attempt to get a PG? We have a (albeit not ideal) starting PG in Teague, we have the possibility to match one of the best backup PG's in Tyus, so I would say, just wait... Who knows what happens at the trade dead line; maybe Sexton becomes available, Teagues value as expiring has increased, etc. I don't feel like trading away promising players for a slightly above average player at a max contract.

[KGdaBom]

Lets not forget Okogie shoots mostly bricks, if he’s the cost of attaining a 23yo all star so be it

You need some imagination. Okogie has great potential. He could develop into a Butler type. So could Culver. I'd be just fine with two non headcase Butler types.

[KGdaBom]

Good chance Culver is better than Okogie now and always will be, just saying

This I think is almost certainly true.

[minimus]

Why the sudden rush to move now. I think almost everyone here loves our wings in Okogie, RoCo and initial views of Culver, so why hurry in an attempt to get a PG? We have a (albeit not ideal) starting PG in Teague, we have the possibility to match one of the best backup PG's in Tyus, so I would say, just wait... Who knows what happens at the trade dead line; maybe Sexton becomes available, Teagues value as expiring has increased, etc. I don't feel like trading away promising players for a slightly above average player at a max contract.

I agree, but I think keeping Tyus and developing our wings based roster is just one way to make this team competitve. But it will only work if Culver has meteoric rise in his 1st year like Donovan Mitchell, otherwise he are lacking ballhandling and 3s shooting by wide margin. Wiggins/Okogie/KBD/RoCo are not advanced shooters/ballhandlers.

But as I said before, it is only one way. The most appealing characteristic of our new FO is that they are hard to predict, but they kind of always prepared. I believe that Rosas, Pascucci and Gupta can execute any realistic trade, they also weight smartly all possibilities. Culver, Nowell, Reid. I have saw these goup of players signing with us.

[Tukkerwolf]

Why the sudden rush to move now. I think almost everyone here loves our wings in Okogie, RoCo and initial views of Culver, so why hurry in an attempt to get a PG? We have a (albeit not ideal) starting PG in Teague, we have the possibility to match one of the best backup PG's in Tyus, so I would say, just wait... Who knows what happens at the trade dead line; maybe Sexton becomes available, Teagues value as expiring has increased, etc. I don't feel like trading away promising players for a slightly above average player at a max contract.

I agree, but I think keeping Tyus and developing our wings based roster is just one way to make this team competitve. But it will only work if Culver has meteoric rise in his 1st year like Donovan Mitchell, otherwise he are lacking ballhandling and 3s shooting by wide margin. Wiggins/Okogie/KBD/RoCo are not advanced shooters/ballhandlers.

But as I said before, it is only one way. The most appealing characteristic of our new FO is that they are hard to predict, but they kind of always prepared. I believe that Rosas, Pascucci and Gupta can execute any realistic trade, they also weight smartly all possibilities. Culver, Nowell, Reid. I have saw these goup of players signing with us.

It is also that I don't think there is a need to rush. We’ve tried that with the Butler-experiment, lets not rush it again. If there is a cheap way to get DLo, sure, if there isnt, just hold on to Teague (and Tyus or perhaps a McConnell/Ish Smith temp backup) and see how things unfold. We won't be making the Conference Finals next year with, or without DLo...

[minimus]

Why the sudden rush to move now. I think almost everyone here loves our wings in Okogie, RoCo and initial views of Culver, so why hurry in an attempt to get a PG? We have a (albeit not ideal) starting PG in Teague, we have the possibility to match one of the best backup PG's in Tyus, so I would say, just wait... Who knows what happens at the trade dead line; maybe Sexton becomes available, Teagues value as expiring has increased, etc. I don't feel like trading away promising players for a slightly above average player at a max contract.

I agree, but I think keeping Tyus and developing our wings based roster is just one way to make this team competitve. But it will only work if Culver has meteoric rise in his 1st year like Donovan Mitchell, otherwise he are lacking ballhandling and 3s shooting by wide margin. Wiggins/Okogie/KBD/RoCo are not advanced shooters/ballhandlers.

But as I said before, it is only one way. The most appealing characteristic of our new FO is that they are hard to predict, but they kind of always prepared. I believe that Rosas, Pascucci and Gupta can execute any realistic trade, they also weight smartly all possibilities. Culver, Nowell, Reid. I have saw these goup of players signing with us.

It is also that I don't think there is a need to rush. We’ve tried that with the Butler-experiment, lets not rush it again. If there is a cheap way to get DLo, sure, if there isnt, just hold on to Teague (and Tyus or perhaps a McConnell/Ish Smith temp backup) and see how things unfold. We won't be making the Conference Finals next year with, or without DLo...

I agree with you that we should not rush, and if we look Rosas did not trade RoCo for #4 pick, he acquired #6 for Saric and drafted top3 talent. This decision making suggest that

1) Rosas think out of the box
2) they can adjust because they are well prepared
3) they are smart enought not ot force things

However, "maximising KATs window" also suggest that MUST keep KAT happy, and DLo might be the best option available on the market to give us two superstars in lineup.

[shrink]

Why the sudden rush to move now. I think almost everyone here loves our wings in Okogie, RoCo and initial views of Culver, so why hurry in an attempt to get a PG? We have a (albeit not ideal) starting PG in Teague, we have the possibility to match one of the best backup PG's in Tyus, so I would say, just wait... Who knows what happens at the trade dead line; maybe Sexton becomes available, Teagues value as expiring has increased, etc. I don't feel like trading away promising players for a slightly above average player at a max contract.

Well said, Tukkerwolf.

Simply waiting until the trade deadline increases the trade value of Teague (and Dieng, and Wiggins), which means we don’t have to give up all these assets. The Wolves need a chance for upside, so we shouldn’t throw away Okogie, Culver, and future 1sts because we don’t have a little patience.

[Domejandro]

Why the sudden rush to move now. I think almost everyone here loves our wings in Okogie, RoCo and initial views of Culver, so why hurry in an attempt to get a PG? We have a (albeit not ideal) starting PG in Teague, we have the possibility to match one of the best backup PG's in Tyus, so I would say, just wait... Who knows what happens at the trade dead line; maybe Sexton becomes available, Teagues value as expiring has increased, etc. I don't feel like trading away promising players for a slightly above average player at a max contract.

Well said, Tukkerwolf.

Simply waiting until the trade deadline increases the trade value of Teague (and Dieng, and Wiggins), which means we don’t have to give up all these assets. The Wolves need a chance for upside, so we shouldn’t throw away Okogie, Culver, and future 1sts because we don’t have a little patience.

By that time, the opportunity to get D'Angelo Russell will be gone. This isn't "throw[ing] away" assets, this is an investment in a 23 year-old All-Star who fits our timeline perfectly and is an ideal fit for our offense.

I am fine with people not wanting to trade Josh Okogie or Jarrett Culver, but the opportunity to just sign young All-Stars isn't something Minnesota often has. If you can get him for the price of dumping Jeff Teague and Gorgui Dieng (a couple firsts), you have to go for it.

[Neeva]

He’s all star with asterisk though. Not close to an all star in the west, yet. Some lottery protected firsts and I do it though.