**** New Orlean Pelicans (5-9) vs Minnesota Timberpups (3-11) - 7pm FSN ****

[Jedzz]

Even in your 3 cherry-picked games the team is still 9 points better with DLo off the court. Even when he's on fire he's giving the points right back on the other end. Dude sucks.

They aren't Cherry picked games. They are the only wins outside of yesterday. I'll thank you not to throw that term around loosely in the future.

What you saw yesterday is no more than a better roster aligning because one of the logjams is removed. Can't play Rubio and JMac together for 48 minutes. So we saw rotations where there was only one PG. Shwing

[Merc_Porto]

We could have lost yesterday that i would have said the same thing. Finally we saw a competitive team out there. Playing like a true team on both ends of the floor. Leading by example...

And Jim Pete said it all about Rubio running the team instead of Dlo. So obvious.

Dlo has been a net negative throught his all carrer, he's not a winning player. The numbers tell you everything you need to know.

Yes, Rubio was bad the first 10 games of the season and we all know why.
But we will see... Is just a matter of time until Dlo is back to the starting lineup again too see a drop of quality in the way we play... With Vando, with McDaniels, etc etc etc

Again, just listen what Jim Pete said
And the numbers are brutal.

[Jedzz]

Yes, Rubio was bad the first 10 games of the season and we all know why.

Wait what? What is your opinion on why it looked that way? And why was he better yesterday in your eyes?

And Jim Pete said it all about Rubio running the team instead of Dlo. So obvious.

Jim Pete doesn't always get everything right. He also let a constant hate for LaVine exit his mouth who he would suggest was holding Wiggins back and needed to get moved to 6th man or be traded.

He's also explaining a reality. That with a bunch of clueless young players that don't know what to do exactly, structured offense can help and Rubio can help lead that kind of offense. Which is why Rubio suggested they needed some predesigned structured play to fall back on in trying moments to regroup with. Ricky cried out for this during a post game loss weeks ago. But another reality is that the Timberwolves don't have to play clueless young players so many minutes that it matters so much.

The Timberwolves coaches also don't have to choose to play Two PGs together so much. They can look around the league and suggest a couple teams have or do, but that doesn't mean the Timberwolves have the same kind of PGs capable of doing this.

Dlo has been a net negative throught his all carrer, he's not a winning player.

Towns isn't a winning player either. Need to see the records?
Edwards, not a winning player either. Need to see the college team record he led?

How many more should we add to the list?

There was a plan in place to get both Towns/Dlo to work together to become something better together.
Then a strange aimless additional plan flew into the brain of Rosas and coaches this offseason to do who knows what with a compeltely different plan.

So choose one and stop messing around with the other. Just don't base your decision on one Pelicans game win.

[Merc_Porto]

Towns isn't a winning player either. Need to see the records?
Edwards, not a winning player either. Need to see the college team record he led?

How many more should we add to the list?

There was a plan in place to get both Towns/Dlo to work together to become something better together.
Then a strange aimless additional plan flew into the brain of Rosas and coaches this offseason to do who knows what with a compeltely different plan.

So choose one and stop messing around with the other. Just don't base your decision on one Pelicans game win.

Is not about the team records and you know it. Is not also about whos hes playing with...
Ricky Rubio had 6 seasons with the Timberwolves always missing the playoffs and he was never viewed as someone you can blame on it.

Dude was always a net-positive player out there. Always made his teamates look better.

Dlo is a disaster and the numbers show exaclty that.
And on top of that hes a player with one of the highest usage in the NBA.

The fact is that the team looked completely different out there yesterday with Rubio running the team instead of Dlo.
And you will see the difference when Dlo gets the chance to run the team on his own...

Lets talk in one week from now.

[Jedzz]

Towns isn't a winning player either. Need to see the records?
Edwards, not a winning player either. Need to see the college team record he led?

How many more should we add to the list?

There was a plan in place to get both Towns/Dlo to work together to become something better together.
Then a strange aimless additional plan flew into the brain of Rosas and coaches this offseason to do who knows what with a compeltely different plan.

So choose one and stop messing around with the other. Just don't base your decision on one Pelicans game win.

Is not about the team records and you know it. Is not also about whos hes playing with...
Ricky Rubio had 6 seasons with the Timberwolves always missing the playoffs and he was never viewed as someone you can blame on it.

Dude was always a net-positive player out there. Always made his teamates look better.

Actually Rubio was traded away and heavily cried about by many by then for not being able to shoot and causing a 4 on 5 matchup issue while here.

The facts are probably more along the lines of trying so badly here to get crap players drafted too highly to produce more that Rubio had to try to spend all his energy feeding these guys into better situations so they could score anything that him shooting became a late afterthought in each game's plan and his own priorities. After going to teams with more consistent shooters around that could also find their own shots occasionally, Rubio had to learn to focus on shooting more to make sure he wasn't a weakspot at times.

Now he comes back here and the role was completely muttled. Until a game occurs without guys like Dlo/Towns and all the young guys are playing more and Rubio has a more defined PG role and now he's back feeding the kids to get the most they can out of them again. It just happened to be enough to beat the 5-11 Pelicans. That doesn't mean it's going to be enough against the next opponent, or even two of the next ten opponents. Because Rubios still going to be the weak straw on offense while he works so hard to make lemonade out of lemons. At the same time, some of those players that hit shots yesterday are going to hit zero shots the next game no matter how good of looks they get handed by Rubio. It's likely a crock of sht in reality. But that doesn't mean the team can't learn something from it and keep structured plans around for times during games when they really need to rely on it, and otherwise stop running Rubio along with other PGs at the same time.

Maybe you are taking this Net postive/negative thing a little too far. Ever think of that? Rubio could have 15 assists but suck in every other way in a game and still come out "positive" while never scoring once and turning the ball over 14 times. Does it really mean as much as you think? Likewise, Dlo has had to play with these crapdraft star youngsters without Towns most of the season now, ever think that might have something to do with one of the highest minute players having a net negative result in all these losses? What's he supposed to do when everyone around him is shooting 11%? He's got to start taking all the shots. I know of at least two games where I checked and outside Beasley/Dlo everyone else was between 10 and 14% that game from 3. Couple that with No McDaniels and No Vando playing and what did you expect better from Dlo for? It falls to him because he was one of the couple over 30 minutes in a nasty loss. That's how it goes.

[ChiefKeith91]

Towns isn't a winning player either. Need to see the records?
Edwards, not a winning player either. Need to see the college team record he led?

How many more should we add to the list?

There was a plan in place to get both Towns/Dlo to work together to become something better together.
Then a strange aimless additional plan flew into the brain of Rosas and coaches this offseason to do who knows what with a compeltely different plan.

So choose one and stop messing around with the other. Just don't base your decision on one Pelicans game win.

Is not about the team records and you know it. Is not also about whos hes playing with...
Ricky Rubio had 6 seasons with the Timberwolves always missing the playoffs and he was never viewed as someone you can blame on it.

Dude was always a net-positive player out there. Always made his teamates look better.

Actually Rubio was traded away and heavily cried about by many by then for not being able to shoot and causing a 4 on 5 matchup issue while here.

The facts are probably more along the lines of trying so badly here to get crap players drafted hight to produce more that Rubio had to try to spend all his energy feeding these guys into better situations so they could score anything that him shooting became a late afterthought in each game's plan and his own priorities. After going to teams with more consistent shooters around that could also find their own shots occasionally, Rubio had to learn to focus on shooting more to make sure he wasn't a weakspot at times.

Now he comes back here and the role was completely muttled. Until a game occurs without guys like Dlo/Towns and all the young guys are playing more and Rubio has a more defined PG role and now he's back feeding the kids to get the most they can out of them again. It just happened to be enough to beat the 5-11 Pelicans. That doesn't mean it's going to be enough against the next opponent, or even two of the next ten opponents. Because Rubios still going to be the weak straw on offense while he works so hard to make lemonade out of lemons. At the same time, some of those players that hit shots yesterday are going to hit zero shots the next game no matter how good of looks they get handed by Rubio. It's likely a crock of sht in reality. But that doesn't mean the team can't learn something from it and keep structured plans around for times during games when they really need to rely on it, and otherwise stop running Rubio along with other PGs at the same time.

Maybe you are taking this Net postive/negative thing a little too far. Ever think of that? Rubio could have 15 assists but suck in every other way in a game and still come out "positive" while never scoring once and turning the ball over 14 times. Does it really mean as much as you think? Likewise, Dlo has had to play with these crapdraft star youngsters without Towns most of the season now, ever think that might have something to do with one of the highest minute players having a net negative result in all these losses? What's he supposed to do when everyone around him is shooting 11%? He's got to start taking all the shots. I know of at least two games where I checked and outside Beasley/Dlo everyone else was between 10 and 14% that game from 3. Couple that with No McDaniels and No Vando playing and what did you expect better from Dlo for? It falls to him because he was one of the couple over 30 minutes in a nasty loss. That's how it goes.

This is one of the main reasons I hate the Net positive/negative rating cause people get too caught up in it. Fans are celebrating winning 1 game and suggesting we trade Dlo for Frank and Dennis Smith Jr . Players were hitting shots yesterday that they've been missing all year and we act like the Towns & Dlo are the problem.