Martim_2008 wrote:I can't believe we are going to draft Okafor.
Not another stupid decision by our front office.
Back to mediocrity if we pick Okafor.
Soft big man incoming...
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Martim_2008 wrote:I can't believe we are going to draft Okafor.
Not another stupid decision by our front office.
Back to mediocrity if we pick Okafor.
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Im good with any of the projected top 3 guys.

TRKO wrote:Still don't understand why people will be that upset if Okafor is the pick. It's not like Towns is that much better or that Okafor is some sort of a bum.
Flip is a smart man who made good moves for us (the Young and Payne trades not withstanding). He was patient with the Love trade and really maximized the value for Love by getting Wiggins. He drafted Muhammed, Dieng, and LaVine. He has done well adding good young pieces to this team. I have faith Flip is going to take his time, get all the information needed, and make a sound decision. If he feels that he can get Okafor to play sound defense then I don't see how it's a horrible choice.
Martim_2008 wrote:I can't believe we are going to draft Okafor.
Not another stupid decision by our front office.
Back to mediocrity if we pick Okafor.
Killboard wrote:TRKO wrote:Still don't understand why people will be that upset if Okafor is the pick. It's not like Towns is that much better or that Okafor is some sort of a bum.
Flip is a smart man who made good moves for us (the Young and Payne trades not withstanding). He was patient with the Love trade and really maximized the value for Love by getting Wiggins. He drafted Muhammed, Dieng, and LaVine. He has done well adding good young pieces to this team. I have faith Flip is going to take his time, get all the information needed, and make a sound decision. If he feels that he can get Okafor to play sound defense then I don't see how it's a horrible choice.
1) roster Fit.
Your best player is a PG who is a above average offensive player but he cant spread the floor.
Your 2 best young players excels playing iso post offense.
Your second best player is a C who is a beast down low when healthy.
2) Consensus
Even when they can be wrong, the consensus pick should be the default option. Even more with the 1st.
No need to be the smartest guy in the room, think you are the choosen one and overplay. If you have others plans better you show it right away or people will get mad.
3) league fit and flexibility
3&D centers are more valuable in nba game today than post scorers, specially if the post scorer has Ft and D flags, cause there are few of the first ones. Have one of them gives you the option to go a 5 under the post or a smaller stretch floor.
4) recent years
We had two of the best big offensive players of thr last 10 years. They didnt play D.
Our defense was horrendous.
5) coherence
If.you say you want fill with athletic guys who be two way players, then you take that guy.
TRKO wrote:Killboard wrote:TRKO wrote:Still don't understand why people will be that upset if Okafor is the pick. It's not like Towns is that much better or that Okafor is some sort of a bum.
Flip is a smart man who made good moves for us (the Young and Payne trades not withstanding). He was patient with the Love trade and really maximized the value for Love by getting Wiggins. He drafted Muhammed, Dieng, and LaVine. He has done well adding good young pieces to this team. I have faith Flip is going to take his time, get all the information needed, and make a sound decision. If he feels that he can get Okafor to play sound defense then I don't see how it's a horrible choice.
1) roster Fit.
Your best player is a PG who is a above average offensive player but he cant spread the floor.
Your 2 best young players excels playing iso post offense.
Your second best player is a C who is a beast down low when healthy.
2) Consensus
Even when they can be wrong, the consensus pick should be the default option. Even more with the 1st.
No need to be the smartest guy in the room, think you are the choosen one and overplay. If you have others plans better you show it right away or people will get mad.
3) league fit and flexibility
3&D centers are more valuable in nba game today than post scorers, specially if the post scorer has Ft and D flags, cause there are few of the first ones. Have one of them gives you the option to go a 5 under the post or a smaller stretch floor.
4) recent years
We had two of the best big offensive players of thr last 10 years. They didnt play D.
Our defense was horrendous.
5) coherence
If.you say you want fill with athletic guys who be two way players, then you take that guy.
I understand the reasoning behind picking Towns. I understand the case for him to be the pick. I don't understand how Okafor would be a horrible pick. Same with Russell. Maybe I'm not as sold on Towns as others are. I really like him, I just don't see him leaps and bounds being the best player. To be honest I see Russell as the best player and the best fit for the "modern era" of basketball. I also see the value of being unique. Flip may feel with every team going small ball, getting a guy that can dominate the post, draw double teams, and facilitate out of the C position can be a huge advantage. The top 10 scoring teams all made the playoffs. The team with the best FG% was Golden State, the best team in the league. While Towns has good offensive skills, he wasn't a consistent scorer. Okafor was a great scorer and super efficient doing so.
As far as defense, if Charlotte can be a top defensive team with Big Al, a team with Okafor can surely play good defense. With a 7'6 wingspan, very good strength, very good feet, there is no reason he can't develop into a solid defender. He won't be a prolific shot blocker, but he can transition into a solid defender. Remember he is only 19. He isn't a finished product.
I'm not saying Towns shouldn't be the choice at 1. I'm just saying Okafor wouldn't be an unreasonable choice that people should bash their heads in, or look to burn down Flip's house. Okafor has a high ceiling too.
Killboard wrote:TRKO wrote:Still don't understand why people will be that upset if Okafor is the pick. It's not like Towns is that much better or that Okafor is some sort of a bum.
Flip is a smart man who made good moves for us (the Young and Payne trades not withstanding). He was patient with the Love trade and really maximized the value for Love by getting Wiggins. He drafted Muhammed, Dieng, and LaVine. He has done well adding good young pieces to this team. I have faith Flip is going to take his time, get all the information needed, and make a sound decision. If he feels that he can get Okafor to play sound defense then I don't see how it's a horrible choice.
1) roster Fit.
Your best player is a PG who is a above average offensive player but he cant spread the floor.
Your 2 best young players excels playing iso post offense.
Your second best player is a C who is a beast down low when healthy.
2) Consensus
Even when they can be wrong, the consensus pick should be the default option. Even more with the 1st.
No need to be the smartest guy in the room, think you are the choosen one and overplay. If you have others plans better you show it right away or people will get mad.
3) league fit and flexibility
3&D centers are more valuable in nba game today than post scorers, specially if the post scorer has Ft and D flags, cause there are few of the first ones. Have one of them gives you the option to go a 5 under the post or a smaller stretch floor.
4) recent years
We had two of the best big offensive players of thr last 10 years. They didnt play D.
Our defense was horrendous.
5) coherence
If.you say you want fill with athletic guys who be two way players, then you take that guy.
AQuintus wrote:Towns' interview + workout footage:
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Karl-Anthony-Towns-Workout-Video-and-Interview-5043

Worm Guts wrote:I don't think people realize just how good 66% from the floor is from someone who creates offense. There's not many that compare. I'm not sure to what level that translates to the NBA, but if he shoots 60%, he really doesn't need to shoot jump shots.

Calinks wrote:Erase all frowns by drafting Towns. Shut the door on Okafor.

jpatrick wrote:What if Okafor's offense doesn't translate at an elite level? It doesn't always. Bogut shot 64% from 2 point range, scoring 21 per game, before being the #1 pick. The other thing to remember, given Okafor's struggles to hit from more than 10 feet, is that the illegal defense no longer exists, which did during the age of the post scorer, and the paint gets crowded quickly.
If he's shooting 52%, his defensive deficiencies and free throw problems will look a lot more glaring.
I think Okafor will score, but given his lack of elite athleticism or any kind of consistent range, I don't think it's a given he'll be a 25 ppg scorer shooting 60%.
jpatrick wrote:What if Okafor's offense doesn't translate at an elite level? It doesn't always. Bogut shot 64% from 2 point range, scoring 21 per game, before being the #1 pick. The other thing to remember, given Okafor's struggles to hit from more than 10 feet, is that the illegal defense no longer exists, which did during the age of the post scorer, and the paint gets crowded quickly.
If he's shooting 52%, his defensive deficiencies and free throw problems will look a lot more glaring.
I think Okafor will score, but given his lack of elite athleticism or any kind of consistent range, I don't think it's a given he'll be a 25 ppg scorer shooting 60%.
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