2016 draft thread: Part 2

[Swish4]

Murray's the guy I like. Because he's mentally tough, much more than any player in this draft. Wants to be great and works to that end.

[Mundo]

Many have said Murray is not a PG...a whole thread debate for sure. Place him next to LaVine and they would have an amazing primary-secondary 2 guard set. And Wiggins in his attempt to be a superstar needs to handle the ball more...an area he needs big improvement but one he needs to make.

Then comes the Rubio debate. If Murray-LaVine is the future backcourt, what to do with Rubio. He could (or should) be traded for PF of fit next to Towns. Bigger question might be when. Give the trio a try (Rubio-Murray-LaVine) or make a trade prior to season to cement the roster?

I don't necessarily want to get into a whole thread debate here, but Rubio-Murray would make an excellent back court as well, even better than Murray-Lavine since the other guys on the court would probably never see the ball with those two shooting 15-20 times per game.

With that logic im sure gsw and Portland sucks too. Murray and Lavine won't take that many shots, they will just make everybody around them better by blowing the court wide open

i wouldn't put those him anywhere near the same class as steph and lilard. Tbh, Murray is Jonny Flynn 2.0 if the wolves draft him.

[alabamawolf]

I don't necessarily want to get into a whole thread debate here, but Rubio-Murray would make an excellent back court as well, even better than Murray-Lavine since the other guys on the court would probably never see the ball with those two shooting 15-20 times per game.

With that logic im sure gsw and Portland sucks too. Murray and Lavine won't take that many shots, they will just make everybody around them better by blowing the court wide open

i wouldn't put those him anywhere near the same class as steph and lilard. Tbh, Murray is Jonny Flynn 2.0 if the wolves draft him.

There's nothing remotely similar about Flynn and Murray

[alabamawolf]

Then you can dump the headcase Zach Lavine. .

Uh, what? Since when is a hardworking, good kid that donates a ton of time and money to local charities a headcase? The guy lives in the gym and has only said nice things. What the hell are you talking about?

Someone who steps out of bounds three times with the basketball in 2 games, can garner a free throw lane violation while guarding the backcourt, besides that stupid clueless look and loafing around when the ball isnt in his hands, stands watching as Klay Thompson chases down a free throw miss on the baseline ,,,- is a headcase.

You keep using the word headcase and I'm not sure you know what it means. Zach is a good kid but he's also learning how to be a professional basketball player. All of the things you mentioned sound like things he'll learn as he gets older.

[Note30]

I don't necessarily want to get into a whole thread debate here, but Rubio-Murray would make an excellent back court as well, even better than Murray-Lavine since the other guys on the court would probably never see the ball with those two shooting 15-20 times per game.

With that logic im sure gsw and Portland sucks too. Murray and Lavine won't take that many shots, they will just make everybody around them better by blowing the court wide open

i wouldn't put those him anywhere near the same class as steph and lilard. Tbh, Murray is Jonny Flynn 2.0 if the wolves draft him.

I feel like Murray is closer to being Monta Ellis than Flynn, not really a PG, much more a combo guard.

[Killboard]

Gotta think if Dunn goes 3, there's no possible way the Suns would draft a backcourt player unless they trade the pick.

Or trade Bledsoe.

Bledose knees are done. They shouldnt count him if they want make a solid rebuild process. If he keeps healthy great, but its far from sure.

[Klomp]

Good to see the bright future of the team is pulling together and unifying everyone on the board...yikes!

Let's all take a couple of deep breaths. After all, this is just a game we're talking about. Nothing to get all up in arms about. Usually team success eliminates these types of childish bickering. Let's try to do the same!

[Mattya]

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[urinesane]

I think Murray is the right pick.

His shooting will be much needed and he is much better at catching and shooting than creating for himself. Which means he would fit well next to Rubio since he wouldn't need to take the ball out of his hands to be effective (he's actually more effective off the ball).

Also, with how big of a crapshoot the draft is, Kentucky tends to have more quality NBA players than most other schools, so I'll take his pedigree over others.

[jpatrick]

For me, Bender if he's there. If not, it's Murray for me. I think he won't be a star, but if doesn't reach a Brandon Roy level, which is probably unlikely, he becomes a JJ Redick. His ability to curl and shoot off screens is very Redick/Korver like.

[guille_4]

Dragan Bender has fallen to the 7th pick in DraftExpress and NBADraft.net mock drafts and Chad Ford has him at 6th (for what that's worth).

Would you select him if he's available at 5? Not long ago he was a consensus 3rd/4th pick so I hadn't really thought about him in the Twolves.

What do you think?

[Mattya]

Dragan Bender has fallen to the 7th pick in DraftExpress and NBADraft.net mock drafts and Chad Ford has him at 6th (for what that's worth).

Would you select him if he's available at 5? Not long ago he was a consensus 3rd/4th pick so I hadn't really thought about him in the Twolves.

What do you think?

Absolutely, personally think it is a lot of misdirection. He is the one guy you are hearing nothing about.

[GopherIt!]

Wasn't Klomp the #1 Stauskas fan?

You're confusing Klomp with Vivek Ranadive.

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Maybe Klomp and Ranadive are the same person........{mind blown}

[Klomp]

[Krapinsky]

Many have said Murray is not a PG...a whole thread debate for sure. Place him next to LaVine and they would have an amazing primary-secondary 2 guard set. And Wiggins in his attempt to be a superstar needs to handle the ball more...an area he needs big improvement but one he needs to make.

Then comes the Rubio debate. If Murray-LaVine is the future backcourt, what to do with Rubio. He could (or should) be traded for PF of fit next to Towns. Bigger question might be when. Give the trio a try (Rubio-Murray-LaVine) or make a trade prior to season to cement the roster?

I don't necessarily want to get into a whole thread debate here, but Rubio-Murray would make an excellent back court as well, even better than Murray-Lavine since the other guys on the court would probably never see the ball with those two shooting 15-20 times per game.

With that logic im sure gsw and Portland sucks too. Murray and Lavine won't take that many shots, they will just make everybody around them better by blowing the court wide open

I think you're ignoring some context here. Lillard and Curry were pretty well established play making point guards when they came into the league. Lavine has shown he has no point guard skills. Murray hasn't shown such skills outside of high school - he had a 1:1 A/T ratio last year.

[Dewey]

Teams continue to leak meaningless info, GM's themselves are going dark over the next 24 hours. All in all a weird draft to me ... not much for prospects with that IT factor, yet, not a lot of risk IMO. Just seems like one of those drafts where its truly a need/fit wether your drafting or trading.

I do trust Layden and Thibs to help us take a big step forward. I am torn on the draft because I don't have a good feel for what the off-season plan is in terms of FA targets. The focus still seems simple for what Thibs seems to be after - a gritty SG/SF, defensive PF/C to rotate with KAT/Dieng, and some added toughness off the bench.

With that ... PF/C = Bender/Chriss vs. Noah? Wing = Brown/Heild vs. Butler? Combo-Guard = Dunn/Murry vs. Russell?

[urinesane]

If the above is true....

CC to Klomp:

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[Takingbaconback]

I don't necessarily want to get into a whole thread debate here, but Rubio-Murray would make an excellent back court as well, even better than Murray-Lavine since the other guys on the court would probably never see the ball with those two shooting 15-20 times per game.

With that logic im sure gsw and Portland sucks too. Murray and Lavine won't take that many shots, they will just make everybody around them better by blowing the court wide open

I think you're ignoring some context here. Lillard and Curry were pretty well established play making point guards when they came into the league. Lavine has shown he has no point guard skills. Murray hasn't shown such skills outside of high school - he had a 1:1 A/T ratio last year.

That's fair cuz for me LaVine is a SG, he is not a PG whatsoever. He is a fantastic ball handler for a 2 and makes some amazing passes but he isn't the guy to control the flow of the game and everything else a PG does.

I disagree about Murray though .Murray has shown ability to play PG for Canada. Murray and Calipari both have said he can play the point.

"But he can play multiple positions, he can physically step in and play right away. He can play the point. He can score in bunches. You watch Golden State. Who really is their point guard? Whoever has it.''

Looking at Murray's skillset, his very cerebral approach, awareness, control of tempo, it makes sense he can play PG. But you are right, he didn't play it in college so it's not clear

[Takingbaconback]

I don't necessarily want to get into a whole thread debate here, but Rubio-Murray would make an excellent back court as well, even better than Murray-Lavine since the other guys on the court would probably never see the ball with those two shooting 15-20 times per game.

With that logic im sure gsw and Portland sucks too. Murray and Lavine won't take that many shots, they will just make everybody around them better by blowing the court wide open

i wouldn't put those him anywhere near the same class as steph and lilard. Tbh, Murray is Jonny Flynn 2.0 if the wolves draft him.

I wasn't comparing the players. I was saying how you don't need your PG to be a prototypical PG like Rubio who has to facilitate everything. Just saying you can have two lights out shooters and still move the ball well, if not better than before.

[thinktank]

Good to see the bright future of the team is pulling together and unifying everyone on the board...yikes!

Let's all take a couple of deep breaths. After all, this is just a game we're talking about. Nothing to get all up in arms about. Usually team success eliminates these types of childish bickering. Let's try to do the same!

You're the worst example of eliminating childish bickering.

And you're a mod!