Trade Talk (Part Four)

[KGdaBom]

In everyone’s opinion, who would be the best player or pick we could get for #17, Johnson’s $16M Expiring and Culver? (Let’s leave Gordon out of this since it’s already being discussed in its own thread.)


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I don't get why we are including Culver. I'd trade 17 and JJ for Nance.

I'm a big Nance proponent, but nope

Why the heck not? If all it costs is #17 and JJ? I swear we could hardly find a better fit at PF for our team than Nance.

[Neeva]

Too many good players will be available in the teens this draft this will be a lot like the 2017 draft when Thibs stupidly passed on players like John Collins and Anunoby for Patton (and wolves were just a few spots too late for Adebayo and Mitchell)

Maxey, Terrell, Anthony, Pokusevski, Bey, Hampton, Achiuwa,Lewis Jr so much potential..at 17 Rosas will have to choose between at least two of these players.

[Klomp]

I don't get why we are including Culver. I'd trade 17 and JJ for Nance.

I'm a big Nance proponent, but nope

Why the heck not? If all it costs is #17 and JJ? I swear we could hardly find a better fit at PF for our team than Nance.

It comes down to offense for me. I believe our PF needs to be a threat behind the 3-point line as a shooter and a driver/playmaker. I don't think Nance is really good enough with the dribble.

[KGdaBom]

I'm a big Nance proponent, but nope

Why the heck not? If all it costs is #17 and JJ? I swear we could hardly find a better fit at PF for our team than Nance.

It comes down to offense for me. I believe our PF needs to be a threat behind the 3-point line as a shooter and a driver/playmaker. I don't think Nance is really good enough with the dribble.

Nance is pretty good at all of that. Good three point shooter and good passer, plus plays good defense in and out. How good does he need to be at the dribble to satisfy you. There might be 5 PFs in the league that can live up to what I think you think we need. We are not going to find that player at pick 17 without divine intervention.

I know there is no particular reason to think the Cavs might trade Nance, but due to high paid players ahead of him on the roster they've never IMO given him the run he deserves.

[Jedzz]

Why the heck not? If all it costs is #17 and JJ? I swear we could hardly find a better fit at PF for our team than Nance.

It comes down to offense for me. I believe our PF needs to be a threat behind the 3-point line as a shooter and a driver/playmaker. I don't think Nance is really good enough with the dribble.

Nance is pretty good at all of that. Good three point shooter and good passer, plus plays good defense in and out. How good does he need to be at the dribble to satisfy you. There might be 5 PFs in the league that can live up to what I think you think we need. We are not going to find that player at pick 17 without divine intervention.

I know there is no particular reason to think the Cavs might trade Nance, but due to high paid players ahead of him on the roster they've never IMO given him the run he deserves.

What Klomp is describing is the actual reasoning for playing KAT at PF. Get a versitile Center that can rim protect and away we go. In a perfect world.

Or you could just get Wagner here like I said months ago, tell KAT that Wagner is the PF, and then just let it naturally correct itself.

[KGdaBom]

It comes down to offense for me. I believe our PF needs to be a threat behind the 3-point line as a shooter and a driver/playmaker. I don't think Nance is really good enough with the dribble.

Nance is pretty good at all of that. Good three point shooter and good passer, plus plays good defense in and out. How good does he need to be at the dribble to satisfy you. There might be 5 PFs in the league that can live up to what I think you think we need. We are not going to find that player at pick 17 without divine intervention.

I know there is no particular reason to think the Cavs might trade Nance, but due to high paid players ahead of him on the roster they've never IMO given him the run he deserves.

What Klomp is describing is the actual reasoning for playing KAT at PF. Get a versitile Center that can rim protect and away we go. In a perfect world.

Or you could just get Wagner here like I said months ago, tell KAT that Wagner is the PF, and then just let it naturally correct itself.

I really like your idea of Wagner. How attainable would he be?

[KGdaBom]

Klomp you will love this. I just found this on fansided.
https://kingjamesgospel.com/2020/09/28/cleveland-cavaliers-3-potential-experimental-lineups-next-season/

Here's an except.
Per a report from Cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor last week, it was stated that Bickerstaff wants to experiment with different lineups during the Cavaliers in-market bubble team workouts/scrimmaging. And according to Fedor, could range from anything like Larry Nance Jr. at the small forward position to three-guard lineups featuring Garland, Sexton and Porter Jr.

Larry Nance is seen as skilled enough at all that stuff you want to be used at the SF position.

[Neeva]

It comes down to offense for me. I believe our PF needs to be a threat behind the 3-point line as a shooter and a driver/playmaker. I don't think Nance is really good enough with the dribble.

Nance is pretty good at all of that. Good three point shooter and good passer, plus plays good defense in and out. How good does he need to be at the dribble to satisfy you. There might be 5 PFs in the league that can live up to what I think you think we need. We are not going to find that player at pick 17 without divine intervention.

I know there is no particular reason to think the Cavs might trade Nance, but due to high paid players ahead of him on the roster they've never IMO given him the run he deserves.

What Klomp is describing is the actual reasoning for playing KAT at PF. Get a versitile Center that can rim protect and away we go. In a perfect world.

Or you could just get Wagner here like I said months ago, tell KAT that Wagner is the PF, and then just let it naturally correct itself.

I wanted wolves to get wagner a year ago, the wizards basically got him for free.

[KGdaBom]

Nance is pretty good at all of that. Good three point shooter and good passer, plus plays good defense in and out. How good does he need to be at the dribble to satisfy you. There might be 5 PFs in the league that can live up to what I think you think we need. We are not going to find that player at pick 17 without divine intervention.

I know there is no particular reason to think the Cavs might trade Nance, but due to high paid players ahead of him on the roster they've never IMO given him the run he deserves.

What Klomp is describing is the actual reasoning for playing KAT at PF. Get a versitile Center that can rim protect and away we go. In a perfect world.

Or you could just get Wagner here like I said months ago, tell KAT that Wagner is the PF, and then just let it naturally correct itself.

I wanted wolves to get Wagner a year ago, the wizards basically got him for free.

Kudo's to you. The one that will always drive me crazy is Christian Woods. The first 5 minutes I saw him in SL I was screaming for us to sign him. He was a man amongst boys and there for the taking.

[Jedzz]

What Klomp is describing is the actual reasoning for playing KAT at PF. Get a versitile Center that can rim protect and away we go. In a perfect world.

Or you could just get Wagner here like I said months ago, tell KAT that Wagner is the PF, and then just let it naturally correct itself.

I wanted wolves to get Wagner a year ago, the wizards basically got him for free.

Kudo's to you. The one that will always drive me crazy is Christian Woods. The first 5 minutes I saw him in SL I was screaming for us to sign him. He was a man amongst boys and there for the taking.

I don't believe you now. You claim a need for 3 years of proof today in another thread. Now a summer league sighting was enough? Go figure.

[KGdaBom]

I wanted wolves to get Wagner a year ago, the wizards basically got him for free.

Kudo's to you. The one that will always drive me crazy is Christian Woods. The first 5 minutes I saw him in SL I was screaming for us to sign him. He was a man amongst boys and there for the taking.

I don't believe you now. You claim a need for 3 years of proof today in another thread. Now a summer league sighting was enough? Go figure.

There's a difference between saying someone is proven and seeing that someone is so much better than the competition that he stands out like a giant in a dwarfs convention.
If you want to see proof that I was yelling and screaming to anyone who would listen about Woods I'm trying to think if we had an SL thread that year. If we did that's where you would find my posts. If we can't find them I'm pretty sure somebody probably Klomp or Calinks will remember.

[Jedzz]

Kudo's to you. The one that will always drive me crazy is Christian Woods. The first 5 minutes I saw him in SL I was screaming for us to sign him. He was a man amongst boys and there for the taking.

I don't believe you now. You claim a need for 3 years of proof today in another thread. Now a summer league sighting was enough? Go figure.

There's a difference between saying someone is proven and seeing that someone is so much better than the competition that he stands out like a giant in a dwarfs convention.
If you want to see proof that I was yelling and screaming to anyone who would listen about Woods I'm trying to think if we had an SL thread that year. If we did that's where you would find my posts. If we can't find them I'm pretty sure somebody probably Klomp or Calinks will remember.

Can't believe you. Trying to exist on both sides of all these arguments with statements that conflict. No reason to continue. You are just here to instigate 75% of the time and 25% of the time you want someone to take you seriously that you actually believe what your are typing.

[shrink]

Klomp you will love this. I just found this on fansided.
https://kingjamesgospel.com/2020/09/28/cleveland-cavaliers-3-potential-experimental-lineups-next-season/

Here's an except.
Per a report from Cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor last week, it was stated that Bickerstaff wants to experiment with different lineups during the Cavaliers in-market bubble team workouts/scrimmaging. And according to Fedor, could range from anything like Larry Nance Jr. at the small forward position to three-guard lineups featuring Garland, Sexton and Porter Jr.

Larry Nance is seen as skilled enough at all that stuff you want to be used at the SF position.

A CLE fan said They experimented with Nance at SF a bit at the end of last season, and he did well. He said he’s still a hard player to gauge, but there is a good chance he could play in our syste. He also said because of his history, he’s probably more valuable to CLE than other teams for his off court value, so he didn’t expect any team to come up with enough assets to make it worthwhile for the Cavs to trade him.

[shrink]

I saw this deal on the trade board

Wiggins, #2, MIN 1st for Oladipo and Myles Turner

And thought ..

“You know, if MIN hadn’t made the trade for DLo, this would have made MIN an interesting team. Myles Turner is an interesting fit next to Towns, and Oladipo would have free reign.

#1, 2021 MIN 1st, Wiggins, Johnson

KAT / Myles Turner / Culver / Malik Beasley / Oladipo“

[KGdaBom]

Klomp you will love this. I just found this on fansided.
https://kingjamesgospel.com/2020/09/28/cleveland-cavaliers-3-potential-experimental-lineups-next-season/

Here's an except.
Per a report from Cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor last week, it was stated that Bickerstaff wants to experiment with different lineups during the Cavaliers in-market bubble team workouts/scrimmaging. And according to Fedor, could range from anything like Larry Nance Jr. at the small forward position to three-guard lineups featuring Garland, Sexton and Porter Jr.

Larry Nance is seen as skilled enough at all that stuff you want to be used at the SF position.

A CLE fan said They experimented with Nance at SF a bit at the end of last season, and he did well. He said he’s still a hard player to gauge, but there is a good chance he could play in our syste. He also said because of his history, he’s probably more valuable to CLE than other teams for his off court value, so he didn’t expect any team to come up with enough assets to make it worthwhile for the Cavs to trade him.

I'm trying to point out that Minnesota should jump on the opportunity to acquire Nance if possible and I'm getting push back against it. Klomp didn't even think he would be worth pick 17. Anybody who goes to basketball reference and looks at his stats should be able to tell that Nance is a very good player.

[Klomp]

Klomp you will love this. I just found this on fansided.
https://kingjamesgospel.com/2020/09/28/cleveland-cavaliers-3-potential-experimental-lineups-next-season/

Here's an except.
Per a report from Cleveland.com’s Chris Fedor last week, it was stated that Bickerstaff wants to experiment with different lineups during the Cavaliers in-market bubble team workouts/scrimmaging. And according to Fedor, could range from anything like Larry Nance Jr. at the small forward position to three-guard lineups featuring Garland, Sexton and Porter Jr.

Larry Nance is seen as skilled enough at all that stuff you want to be used at the SF position.

A CLE fan said They experimented with Nance at SF a bit at the end of last season, and he did well. He said he’s still a hard player to gauge, but there is a good chance he could play in our syste. He also said because of his history, he’s probably more valuable to CLE than other teams for his off court value, so he didn’t expect any team to come up with enough assets to make it worthwhile for the Cavs to trade him.

I'm trying to point out that Minnesota should jump on the opportunity to acquire Nance if possible and I'm getting push back against it. Klomp didn't even think he would be worth pick 17. Anybody who goes to basketball reference and looks at his stats should be able to tell that Nance is a very good player.

Of course he's a good player, I'm just not sure he's the correct fit. The bolded explains why....

But, when J.B. Bickerstaff took over after John Beilein’s resignation, he also unlocked a new paradigm for Nance’s game. Against the Miami Heat, Bickerstaff rolled with a lineup that featured Nance, Love, and Tristan Thompson, all players with a bit more girth. In this scenario, Nance slid from power forward to small forward, and it worked with Cleveland extinguishing the Heat to the tune of 125-119. It’s a little weird and unconventional of Bickerstaff to do, but Nance is a welcome and enjoys the change.

“If it’s traditionally me, Kevin, and Tristan I’m on the perimeter defensively almost permanently,” said Nance in an interview with Locked on Cavs. “We don’t want Kevin necessarily out there guarding guards and we’d prefer Tristan at the rim protecting the basket. So, for me, I’m chasing around Duncan Robinson, I guard DeRozan in the pick and roll, and defensively it works really, really well.

“Offensively is where it gets a little bit creative,” Nance continued. “Obviously I’m not a traditional floor spacer so we have Kevin play that role. Then I’m kind of the post up, inside out four man and obviously Tristan is the center. If me, Kevin, and Tristan are in together in a game there is going to be a smaller player on one of us. From there, we try to take the game back old school and beat them with two’s instead of chucking three’s.”

https://www.fearthesword.com/2020/5/22/21267045/cavs-season-player-hiatus-review-larry-nance-jr

[zimpy27]

JJ + 2023 FRP
for
Norman Powell + Raptor 2021 FRP

Powell would be a nice SF for this team

[KGdaBom]

A CLE fan said They experimented with Nance at SF a bit at the end of last season, and he did well. He said he’s still a hard player to gauge, but there is a good chance he could play in our syste. He also said because of his history, he’s probably more valuable to CLE than other teams for his off court value, so he didn’t expect any team to come up with enough assets to make it worthwhile for the Cavs to trade him.

I'm trying to point out that Minnesota should jump on the opportunity to acquire Nance if possible and I'm getting push back against it. Klomp didn't even think he would be worth pick 17. Anybody who goes to basketball reference and looks at his stats should be able to tell that Nance is a very good player.

Of course he's a good player, I'm just not sure he's the correct fit. The bolded explains why....

But, when J.B. Bickerstaff took over after John Beilein’s resignation, he also unlocked a new paradigm for Nance’s game. Against the Miami Heat, Bickerstaff rolled with a lineup that featured Nance, Love, and Tristan Thompson, all players with a bit more girth. In this scenario, Nance slid from power forward to small forward, and it worked with Cleveland extinguishing the Heat to the tune of 125-119. It’s a little weird and unconventional of Bickerstaff to do, but Nance is a welcome and enjoys the change.

“If it’s traditionally me, Kevin, and Tristan I’m on the perimeter defensively almost permanently,” said Nance in an interview with Locked on Cavs. “We don’t want Kevin necessarily out there guarding guards and we’d prefer Tristan at the rim protecting the basket. So, for me, I’m chasing around Duncan Robinson, I guard DeRozan in the pick and roll, and defensively it works really, really well.

“Offensively is where it gets a little bit creative,” Nance continued. “Obviously I’m not a traditional floor spacer so we have Kevin play that role. Then I’m kind of the post up, inside out four man and obviously Tristan is the center. If me, Kevin, and Tristan are in together in a game there is going to be a smaller player on one of us. From there, we try to take the game back old school and beat them with two’s instead of chucking three’s.”

https://www.fearthesword.com/2020/5/22/21267045/cavs-season-player-hiatus-review-larry-nance-jr

Considering everything Larry Chuck's threes pretty well 34 and 35% the last two years respectively. He gets 2 assists per TO. He guards the perimeter well and does a pretty good job defending the rim when called on to do that. He rebounds well. He's versatile able to play the 3-4-5. I just think you're holding him to some ridiculously high standard that only the absolutely elite can live up to. He does everything well. That said the chances of him being on the Wolves this season I would put at no better than 1%. As a trade target he is somebody I would really want us to go after. Very much worth sliding down from 1-5 and a complete no brainer if we can get him for pick 17. Better than Gordon IMO and considering contract much better than Gordon.

[KGdaBom]

JJ + 2023 FRP
for
Norman Powell + Raptor 2021 FRP

Powell would be a nice SF for this team

Interesting. I like Powell. Is he a legit SF though?

[SO_MONEY]

JJ + 2023 FRP
for
Norman Powell + Raptor 2021 FRP

Powell would be a nice SF for this team

Not a massive needle mover, the FRPs kill the deal.