Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Norseman79]

I have been whining and complaining about the Wolves getting bigger and playing big for as long as I can remember. Nothing says that they can't play a similar style that Rosas wants while being big. Right now there are a few players, SF, PF, C that I would consider kickin the tires on and seeing what they would cost. Unless we are planning to blow it up, KAT, DLo, and Beasley are not going anywhere. I would say pretty much everyone else is moveable for players or assets draft picks (next year's 1rsts for one).

Knox, Doumbouya, Bagley.

Obviously, there are others as well, but Knox and Sekou are getting limited minutes and Bagley has the rumor label.

Culver to Knicks for Knox and a lotto protected pick (default to 2nd round) seems fair and reasonable.

Davis and Okoge to the Kings for Bagley sounds like an underpay, but it's banking on Bagley legitimately wanting to be traded. Throwing in a prospect like MacDaniels or Balmaro shouldn't be a deal breaker.

Layman for Sekou works as well, again, throwing in a prospect guy like Nowell here shouldn't be a deal breaker as well.

So, before people rip me by saying why trade for these guys who aren't even playing on bad teams, simple... sometimes people just need a change of scenery and this keeps our main core together while adding size. I would also be scanning the free agent wire/GLeague for big C's as in 7'+ and 250+ to bring in as a 3rd big for when we play larger teams in place of Naz as a backup.

Russell, Rubio, JMac
Beasley, Edwards
Doumbouya, Knox
Bagley, Juancho, Vanderbilt
Towns, Reid

[Slim Tubby]

Knox is pretty blah and Culver has way more upside, but I really like your thought process and the other two (2) targets. Doumboya could be a better version of Aminu and Bagley could be a nice fit next to KAT.

You managed to add size, front court depth, roster balance and still managed to maintain our overall youth. Nice job!


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[KG_And1]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

[Note30]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

Probably because Wiseman said he doesn't want to play here

[Merc_Porto]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

Probably because Wiseman said he doesn't want to play here

That's also true. But is not like he had a choice.

[KG_And1]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

Probably because Wiseman said he doesn't want to play here

If we drafted him, he would be playing center for us right now.

Either way, I didn’t buy any of those reports. I think it was more of him wanting to join the Warriors than not wanting to play here. I don’t blame him, I would have done the exact same thing.

[Norseman79]

Knox is pretty blah and Culver has way more upside, but I really like your thought process and the other two (2) targets. Doumboya could be a better version of Aminu and Bagley could be a nice fit next to KAT.

You managed to add size, front court depth, roster balance and still managed to maintain our overall youth. Nice job!


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Knox is a little blah, but he is bigger and more athletic than Culver, plus a better 3 ball. Not the defender or ball handler, but again, have to give something to get something.

And, in fairness, I like Culver. Feel like a fresh start with a better coach might be help him, even if it is Thibs.

[Jedzz]

I have been whining and complaining about the Wolves getting bigger and playing big for as long as I can remember. Nothing says that they can't play a similar style that Rosas wants while being big. Right now there are a few players, SF, PF, C that I would consider kickin the tires on and seeing what they would cost. Unless we are planning to blow it up, KAT, DLo, and Beasley are not going anywhere. I would say pretty much everyone else is moveable for players or assets draft picks (next year's 1rsts for one).

Knox, Doumbouya, Bagley.

Obviously, there are others as well, but Knox and Sekou are getting limited minutes and Bagley has the rumor label.

Culver to Knicks for Knox and a lotto protected pick (default to 2nd round) seems fair and reasonable.

Davis and Okoge to the Kings for Bagley sounds like an underpay, but it's banking on Bagley legitimately wanting to be traded. Throwing in a prospect like MacDaniels or Balmaro shouldn't be a deal breaker.

Layman for Sekou works as well, again, throwing in a prospect guy like Nowell here shouldn't be a deal breaker as well.

So, before people rip me by saying why trade for these guys who aren't even playing on bad teams, simple... sometimes people just need a change of scenery and this keeps our main core together while adding size. I would also be scanning the free agent wire/GLeague for big C's as in 7'+ and 250+ to bring in as a 3rd big for when we play larger teams in place of Naz as a backup.

Russell, Rubio, JMac
Beasley, Edwards
Doumbouya, Knox
Bagley, Juancho, Vanderbilt
Towns, Reid

I've made the suggestion for Patton. He's absolutely free in cost/asset price comparison. Yet he's very similar Bagley in size. Very similar. Not that their game or skills are identical, in fact I think Patton can do more. But I ask you to see the value in not overpaying for a former #2 overall to first attain, and then also to continue paying. Bagley costs 11-12 million, 14 next season and if you had any chance in hell of resigning him you are looking at yet another massive overpay deal for a former top pick.

I see this entirely, absolutely entirely just another thought about going after a former draft top pick name like this team and it's fans endlessly seem to feel is required. This guy was all hype to get that high in the draft and really doesn't being a single thing more than Patton would offer us. I do see value in adding a big like this. But I ask you to see the value instead in bringing back a more versitile skilled big that wasn't a top 5 choice. Won't a top 16 former choice work, especially when what stopped him early was foot problems like once happened to Embiid as a rookie? Because Patton was forgotten and also was never a top 5 pick it means the Wolves get him back for free and if he works out well it will never be at a crazed cost like a Bagley will undoubtedly be.

Davis and Okogie are going to make that trade happen for the former 2018 #2 pick? The same former hyped value that entices you still today is the same junk that will stop any idea of that trade happening.

I emplore some of you to look for cheaper options. The team is already loaded with overpaid top shelf picks. They are both 6'11 240. Only one of them actually has more upside than you've already seen from Bagley and it's not Bagley.

[Norseman79]

I have been whining and complaining about the Wolves getting bigger and playing big for as long as I can remember. Nothing says that they can't play a similar style that Rosas wants while being big. Right now there are a few players, SF, PF, C that I would consider kickin the tires on and seeing what they would cost. Unless we are planning to blow it up, KAT, DLo, and Beasley are not going anywhere. I would say pretty much everyone else is moveable for players or assets draft picks (next year's 1rsts for one).



Knox, Doumbouya, Bagley.

Obviously, there are others as well, but Knox and Sekou are getting limited minutes and Bagley has the rumor label.

Culver to Knicks for Knox and a lotto protected pick (default to 2nd round) seems fair and reasonable.

Davis and Okoge to the Kings for Bagley sounds like an underpay, but it's banking on Bagley legitimately wanting to be traded. Throwing in a prospect like MacDaniels or Balmaro shouldn't be a deal breaker.

Layman for Sekou works as well, again, throwing in a prospect guy like Nowell here shouldn't be a deal breaker as well.

So, before people rip me by saying why trade for these guys who aren't even playing on bad teams, simple... sometimes people just need a change of scenery and this keeps our main core together while adding size. I would also be scanning the free agent wire/GLeague for big C's as in 7'+ and 250+ to bring in as a 3rd big for when we play larger teams in place of Naz as a backup.

Russell, Rubio, JMac
Beasley, Edwards
Doumbouya, Knox
Bagley, Juancho, Vanderbilt
Towns, Reid

I've made the suggestion for Patton. He's absolutely free in cost/asset price comparison. Yet he's very similar Bagley in size. Very similar. Not that their game or skills are identical, in fact I think Patton can do more. But I ask you to see the value in not overpaying for a former #2 overall to first attain, and then also to continue paying. Bagley costs 11-12 million, 14 next season and if you had any chance in hell of resigning him you are looking at yet another massive overpay deal for a former top pick.

I see this entirely, absolutely entirely just another thought about going after a former draft top pick name like this team and it's fans endlessly seem to feel is required. This guy was all hype to get that high in the draft and really doesn't being a single thing more than Patton would offer us. I do see value in adding a big like this. But I ask you to see the value instead in bringing back a more versitile skilled big that wasn't a top 5 choice. Won't a top 16 former choice work, especially when what stopped him early was foot problems like once happened to Embiid as a rookie? Because Patton was forgotten and also was never a top 5 pick it means the Wolves get him back for free and if he works out well it will never be at a crazed cost like a Bagley will undoubtedly be.

Davis and Okogie are going to make that trade happen for the former 2018 #2 pick? The same former hyped value that entices you still today is the same junk that will stop any idea of that trade happening.

I emplore some of you to look for cheaper options. The team is already loaded with overpaid top shelf picks. They are both 6'11 240. Only one of them actually has more upside than you've already seen from Bagley and it's not Bagley.

Bringing Patton in is an absolute no brainer. I didn't mention him as I was looking at players to trade for. But I do agree with you that Patton has/had nice potential and does some things well. Also, Bagley does cost more and you are right, something to consider, and this is a trade you only do if you think Bagley will be more than an average starter.

As for Okoge, prospect, and Davis being enough? No idea, but I wouldn't pay much more. Maybe Culver instead of Okoge, and maybe Okoge to the Knicks for Knox instead to be reunited with Thibs...but those are the pieces that I would play with.

You made great points Jedzz

[Jedzz]

Bringing Patton in is an absolute no brainer. I didn't mention him as I was looking at players to trade for. But I do agree with you that Patton has/had nice potential and does some things well. Also, Bagley does cost more and you are right, something to consider, and this is a trade you only do if you think Bagley will be more than an average starter.

As for Okoge, prospect, and Davis being enough? No idea, but I wouldn't pay much more. Maybe Culver instead of Okoge, and maybe Okoge to the Knicks for Knox instead to be reunited with Thibs...but those are the pieces that I would play with.

You made great points Jedzz

I agree with your decision to only be willing to offer up the couple players you did. I agree with the type of player your are targeting. However because of how people hold so much fictional value in former pick results I just don't see it being what they would be willing to take for him. I don't see the Wolves in position to make more moves for more overly costly players in the here and now. If that's something they choose to do, they will need to start sending their own costly players back out in return and choose to go different directions than they have so far. But I don't think their current situation is unworkable. They just have to find the good talents with fit still available to them cheaply that make this thing work.

[Norseman79]

Here is the other thing, based off what Houston got for an older James Harden, if KAT is as highly thought of around the league as he is by a majority of this fan base, I would be interested in simply seeing what type of package we could get for him. Obviously I wouldn't consider moving him until the draft lottery is set

[Jedzz]

Here is the other thing, based off what Houston got for an older James Harden, if KAT is as highly thought of around the league as he is by a majority of this fan base, I would be interested in simply seeing what type of package we could get for him. Obviously I wouldn't consider moving him until the draft lottery is set

I was willing to trade Wiggins and Towns both years ago. Obviously Wiggins more. I don't mind building around him if they can do it wisely. As soon as you start putting it out there though it seems like it will be a snowball that builds until it happens and lowers value slowly until it does. For someone like him it's probably best to never discuss it unless an offer comes in that blows your hair back. Then maybe it's worth talking about at that point and beginning the bidding. Not until then though.

[Norseman79]

Here is the other thing, based off what Houston got for an older James Harden, if KAT is as highly thought of around the league as he is by a majority of this fan base, I would be interested in simply seeing what type of package we could get for him. Obviously I wouldn't consider moving him until the draft lottery is set

I was willing to trade Wiggins and Towns both years ago. Obviously Wiggins more. I don't mind building around him if they can do it wisely. As soon as you start putting it out there though it seems like it will be a snowball that builds until it happens and lowers value slowly until it does. For someone like him it's probably best to never discuss it unless an offer comes in that blows your hair back. Then maybe it's worth talking about at that point and beginning the bidding. Not until then though.

Totally agree. I meant like I am curious personally, not that I think they should explore.

[Merc_Porto]

How about Christian Wood if the Rockets go for a tanking route?

They are with a top-4 protected pick.

[Neeva]

Here is the other thing, based off what Houston got for an older James Harden, if KAT is as highly thought of around the league as he is by a majority of this fan base, I would be interested in simply seeing what type of package we could get for him. Obviously I wouldn't consider moving him until the draft lottery is set

We have to dangle him to a desperate Golden state first and foremost, no towns means a bad team so need that 2022 pick back (assuming the wolves keep 2021 pick) trading for dlo simply to appease Towns has bit the wolves in the ass.

[Sulla]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

Since when?

[Neeva]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

Stop this wiseman madness, he does not rebound well (he is last in rebounds amongst all starting centers) and he does not play good defense, he is very overated!
The Wolves should get the superior big man Evan Mobley!

[Klomp]

Simple trade:

Ed Davis to BRK for 2nd (absorbed into Nets' Dinwiddie DPE)

Davis is maybe the most likely to be dealt at the deadline. A trade like this is very realistic to me. Sends him to a contender, where they need interior help behind Jordan. We get a 2nd round pick (they own ATL, PHX, IND picks).

[Jedzz]

This roster is ridiculous.

Drafting Wiseman would have covered everything. We’re looking for a big right now and could have covered it with Wiseman. He’s a defensive big that can also stretch the floor...still not sure why Rosas went with Edwards.

I give up with this organization. Absolutely ridiculous.

Stop this wiseman madness, he does not rebound well (he is last in rebounds amongst all starting centers) and he does not play good defense, he is very overated!
The Wolves should get the superior big man Evan Mobley!

Madness? Neeva you were the one that wanted to trade Towns to Warriors just so you can get your beloved 2021 MN frp back. Madness.

[Jedzz]

Simple trade:

Ed Davis to BRK for 2nd (absorbed into Nets' Dinwiddie DPE)

Davis is maybe the most likely to be dealt at the deadline. A trade like this is very realistic to me. Sends him to a contender, where they need interior help behind Jordan. We get a 2nd round pick (they own ATL, PHX, IND picks).

uh sure. Just as long as the Timberwolves are bringing in some other big. They don't need less, they need more or better.
That would get them back a 2nd to cover the one the Wolves lost trading for Davis and moving Spellman/Evans. But again, they need another big.