Trade Talk (Part Nine) (READ FIRST POST)

[Mattya]

Unrelated to any of the trade discussion today but it still blows my mind how well we did when we had the big Roco trade a couple deadlines ago.

[Klomp]

Beverley is important. That's why you would need to replace him with someone who can provide a similar on-court impact, specifically on defense. Smart does that. He's a slightly lesser shooter, but I like that he's a veteran (27) who is locked in on a cost-controlled value of a contract until the 2026 offseason.

Question for shrink: Did Smart's offseason extension enact any sort of poison pill, or does his contract count as normal in trade talks?

[Klomp]

FYI

The Celtics explored a possible deal that would’ve sent Josh Richardson and either Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith to the Timberwolves in exchange for Malik Beasley, according to Jared Weiss and Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic. Minnesota, right up against the tax and hoping to maintain roster flexibility for bigger deadline moves, wasn’t interested at the time, The Athletic’s duo says.

Marcus Smart‘s name has come up recently as a possible target for the Timberwolves, especially if they move Patrick Beverley in another deal, writes Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report. Weiss suggests the Celtics could probably move Smart for an expiring contract and a first-round pick right now if they wanted to, but adds that “there’s a lot more that goes into moving him beyond finding matching value.”

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How would Boston feel about Naz Reid? Thinking they might want center helps.

[IceManBK1]

https://clutchpoints.com/timberwolves-rumors-minnesota-eyeing-trade-for-celtics-marcus-smart/

Beverly and Beasley+1st for Marcus smart

Prince+Okogie+1st for Myles Turner

Dlo
Smart
McDaniels
Towns
Turner

[MN7725]

Beverley is important. That's why you would need to replace him with someone who can provide a similar on-court impact, specifically on defense. Smart does that. He's a slightly lesser shooter, but I like that he's a veteran (27) who is locked in on a cost-controlled value of a contract until the 2026 offseason.

Question for shrink: Did Smart's offseason extension enact any sort of poison pill, or does his contract count as normal in trade talks?

poison pills are from extensions from rookie scale contracts, Smart had extended from his 2nd contract

[IceManBK1]

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3 way b/w Philly, Min and Wash

Phil out: Simmons
In: Beal+two 1st from Min

Wash out: Beal, Thomas bryant
In: Beasley, Prince, Reid+one 1st from Min

Min out: Beasley, Prince, Reid and three 1sts
In: Simmons and Thomas Bryant

[winforlose]

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3 way b/w Philly, Min and Wash

Phil out: Simmons
In: Beal+two 1st from Min

Wash out: Beal, Thomas bryant
In: Beasley, Prince, Reid+one 1st from Min

Min out: Beasley, Prince, Reid and three 1sts
In: Simmons and Thomas Bryant

Wrong thread. Simmons has his own thread

[Celts17Pride]

FYI

The Celtics explored a possible deal that would’ve sent Josh Richardson and either Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith to the Timberwolves in exchange for Malik Beasley, according to Jared Weiss and Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic. Minnesota, right up against the tax and hoping to maintain roster flexibility for bigger deadline moves, wasn’t interested at the time, The Athletic’s duo says.

Marcus Smart‘s name has come up recently as a possible target for the Timberwolves, especially if they move Patrick Beverley in another deal, writes Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report. Weiss suggests the Celtics could probably move Smart for an expiring contract and a first-round pick right now if they wanted to, but adds that “there’s a lot more that goes into moving him beyond finding matching value.”

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How would Boston feel about Naz Reid? Thinking they might want center helps.

Don’t know. Maybe. At one point there were rumors that the Celtics were interested in getting another young center to go with R Williams III

[shangrila]

FYI

The Celtics explored a possible deal that would’ve sent Josh Richardson and either Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith to the Timberwolves in exchange for Malik Beasley, according to Jared Weiss and Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic. Minnesota, right up against the tax and hoping to maintain roster flexibility for bigger deadline moves, wasn’t interested at the time, The Athletic’s duo says.

Marcus Smart‘s name has come up recently as a possible target for the Timberwolves, especially if they move Patrick Beverley in another deal, writes Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report. Weiss suggests the Celtics could probably move Smart for an expiring contract and a first-round pick right now if they wanted to, but adds that “there’s a lot more that goes into moving him beyond finding matching value.”

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What are your thoughts on Nesmith and Langford? Worth it or nah?

[Celts17Pride]

FYI

The Celtics explored a possible deal that would’ve sent Josh Richardson and either Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith to the Timberwolves in exchange for Malik Beasley, according to Jared Weiss and Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic. Minnesota, right up against the tax and hoping to maintain roster flexibility for bigger deadline moves, wasn’t interested at the time, The Athletic’s duo says.

Marcus Smart‘s name has come up recently as a possible target for the Timberwolves, especially if they move Patrick Beverley in another deal, writes Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report. Weiss suggests the Celtics could probably move Smart for an expiring contract and a first-round pick right now if they wanted to, but adds that “there’s a lot more that goes into moving him beyond finding matching value.”

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What are your thoughts on Nesmith and Langford? Worth it or nah?

Those two have both shown flashes of being pretty good but they just don’t get playing time. Major heartache in the Celtics forum. They both are still unknowns.

Wouldn’t surprise me if both went to a new team and played 20-25 mpg and were really good players

[Neeva]

I’d prefer Nesmith and Pritchard over Langford.

[wolves_89]

I'd do Beasley for Richardson/Nesmith. I'd also look at expanding the deal with Sacramento:

MIN out: Beasley/Layman
MIN in: Bagley/Nesmith/Ramsey (waived)/2024 POR 2nd/2025 POR 2nd

BOS out: Richardson/Nesmith
BOS in: Beasley

SAC out: Bagley/Ramsey/2024 POR 2nd/2025 POR 2nd
SAC in: Richardson/Layman

Bagley helps with size and rebounding and I'd be interested to see if a change of scenery can get Nesmith's shooting on track. This would also free another $2M under the luxury tax.

[shangrila]

FYI

The Celtics explored a possible deal that would’ve sent Josh Richardson and either Romeo Langford or Aaron Nesmith to the Timberwolves in exchange for Malik Beasley, according to Jared Weiss and Jon Krawczynski of The Athletic. Minnesota, right up against the tax and hoping to maintain roster flexibility for bigger deadline moves, wasn’t interested at the time, The Athletic’s duo says.

Marcus Smart‘s name has come up recently as a possible target for the Timberwolves, especially if they move Patrick Beverley in another deal, writes Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report. Weiss suggests the Celtics could probably move Smart for an expiring contract and a first-round pick right now if they wanted to, but adds that “there’s a lot more that goes into moving him beyond finding matching value.”

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What are your thoughts on Nesmith and Langford? Worth it or nah?

Those two have both shown flashes of being pretty good but they just don’t get playing time. Major heartache in the Celtics forum. They both are still unknowns.

Wouldn’t surprise me if both went to a new team and played 20-25 mpg and were really good players

I'm curious about Langford? I remember Nesmith being a 3pt sniper coming out of college, which would be perfect for us to replace Beasley, but I can't remember anything about Romeo aside from I think he'd broken his hand.

What's his game like?

[Celts17Pride]

What are your thoughts on Nesmith and Langford? Worth it or nah?

Those two have both shown flashes of being pretty good but they just don’t get playing time. Major heartache in the Celtics forum. They both are still unknowns.

Wouldn’t surprise me if both went to a new team and played 20-25 mpg and were really good players

I'm curious about Langford? I remember Nesmith being a 3pt sniper coming out of college, which would be perfect for us to replace Beasley, but I can't remember anything about Romeo aside from I think he'd broken his hand.

What's his game like?

Langford is an excellent defender. That’s why he gets his minutes on the Celtics. Romeo was a big time scorer in college. Very good off the dribble and near the basket. His three point shot has improved. Both Langford and Nesmith are players they just need time on the floor.

Celtics fans are upset that Udoka gives them no time. This could very well be the case were they both turn out to be really quality players but not with the Celtics. The NBA is all about opportunity and they are not getting a chance with the Celtics

That’s the Celtics fault

[shangrila]

Those two have both shown flashes of being pretty good but they just don’t get playing time. Major heartache in the Celtics forum. They both are still unknowns.

Wouldn’t surprise me if both went to a new team and played 20-25 mpg and were really good players

I'm curious about Langford? I remember Nesmith being a 3pt sniper coming out of college, which would be perfect for us to replace Beasley, but I can't remember anything about Romeo aside from I think he'd broken his hand.

What's his game like?

Langford is an excellent defender. That’s why he gets his minutes on the Celtics. Romeo was a big time scorer in college. Very good off the dribble and near the basket. His three point shot has improved. Both Langford and Nesmith are players they just need time on the floor.

Celtics fans are upset that Udoka gives them no time. This could very well be the case were they both turn out to be really quality players but not with the Celtics. The NBA is all about opportunity and they are not getting a chance with the Celtics

That’s the Celtics fault

Yeah, was just curious. Thanks for replying and for bringing this stuff here, it's been interesting.

[LibertyPrime]

DO NOT TRADE Pat Beverly.

Whether Smart comes or not (he would be welcome IMHO), keep Bev because no one player has been more instrumental in changing the culture here. Keep him, as an assistant coach if necessary.

I like the Richardson/Langford for Beasley swap. Josh R. fits the current team needs more anyway.

[Klomp]

Along with the postseason watch comes draft pick watch. We currently would hold the No. 15 pick, but are 2.5 games from No. 20 and 4.5 games from No. 23. That seems all within reach, and worth bringing up when looking at trade conversations that may involve a pick.

[Neeva]

I don’t want Simmons or Grant, two overpaid overated players. it reminds me of last season when everyone here wanted Aaron Gordon and would anyone really want him over Vanderbilt now??

[Mattya]

I don’t want Simmons or Grant, two overpaid overated players. it reminds me of last season when everyone here wanted Aaron Gordon and would anyone really want him over Vanderbilt now??

I think I was always clear that Gordon was both overvalued and wasn’t the fit we really wanted in the court. I remember some of the 2020 trade back ideas for Aaron Gordon on here as well being awful. I think the most I ever thought about was maybe the pick we got in the Roco trade. Thankfully that didn’t happen either. I am a big believer in Grant’s fit tho especially on defense. Barnes is probably a better fit considering his floor spacing tho.

[shrink]

I am still trying to get my head around the possibility that Beverley could be traded. Personally, I think it’s a horrible idea, and that he is intrinsic to this team’s success. But last night, I wrote this on the Trade Board.

It’s possible I’m going to be eating some crow at the deadline.

I have been adamant that the Wolves wouldn’t trade Patrick Beverley. I have shown the spectacular numbers that the starters have put up when all five are in the line up, the defense and accountability he has instilled in so many players, and the fact that he loves Minnesota. However, if someone two weeks from now said, “Patrick Beverley has been traded! We’re there any signs?” I’d have to say. ..yes?

1. Jake Fischer, a very reliable reporter, said MIN has offered Beasley and Beverley in trades.
2. Trade candidates are often benched to keep them from getting injured before trades are completed. Beverley has been sitting out with an ankle sprain, played limited minutes last night, and is questionable for tomorrows game
3. Sachin Gupta has said that he may be a buyer, but only if it helps the team down the line. Beverley will be too old then.
4. Beverley wants to stay in Minnesota, and has asked for an extension, yet MIN hasn’t given him one.[tweet][/tweet]

I would still say Beasley, and Prince are far more likely to be dealt than Beverley, but I am no longer putting him in the “untradeable” category.

The other factor I’d add here is that there are rumors of Gupta inquiring about starters like Simmons, Jerami Grant, and Myles Turner. I have long believed that you don’t disrupt this tremendous run by the starters, where they have a +30 Net Rtg .. one of the three highest in the last 10 years. However, if Beverley was traded, it does open up a spot with the starters. It’s a small spot that some of these guys wouldn’t like (Beverley is only averaging 7.5 FGA’s a game), but if Bev is gone, you could insert one of these guys and slide Vando to the three, rather than remove him from the starting line up entirely.