2020 NBA Draft Prospects: Thread II

[minimus]

How does Wiseman fit with Towns?

No one really knows. It might work against certain lineups, but top NBA pace and space offenses will destroy our defense built around Wiseman-KAT duo.

This is assuming that Wiseman isn't agile enough to move on perimeter. Seems like the Lakers went big quite often and beat those smaller teams. Not disagreeing that it wouldn't present challenges, but let's also not make it sound like it cannot work at all

Well, AD and DH have multiple NBA All-Defensive Team appearances. LeBron is not slouch either. It is easy to see why they succeeded.

[DaMplsKid]

Naz Reid was an undrafted free agent. oturu will most likely be there at 33.

At Least he accepts that he is top 3, not the best?

If he was there at 33. I wouldn't complain, just like you. At 17, no.

Love him at 33. Too many potential 3 and D types at 17 on the cheap to go backup big, IMO.

I just don't see Oturu's fit in the NBA. Not the largest or quickest player. Doesn't stretch the floor just not a modern NBA player. I would person draft Idoka Azubuike over him. I don't think Oturu will be a first round pick and I am a Gopher Fan

[Domejandro]

How does Wiseman fit with Towns?

No one really knows. It might work against certain lineups, but top NBA pace and space offenses will destroy our defense built around Wiseman-KAT duo.

This is assuming that Wiseman isn't agile enough to move on perimeter. Seems like the Lakers went big quite often and beat those smaller teams. Not disagreeing that it wouldn't present challenges, but let's also not make it sound like it cannot work at all

The Lakers went big at times, but typically went with LeBron at Power-Forward went it mattered. For example, in game six against Miami, their Centers for completely benched to clinch the series.

Keep in mind, this was the case with them having the flexibility of Anthony Davis, arguably the most mobile big man in the entire League.

[urinesane]

At Least he accepts that he is top 3, not the best?

If he was there at 33. I wouldn't complain, just like you. At 17, no.

Why not at 17? He seems like he ticks a lot of boxes for what the Wolves need at the 4.

Plus, he went to the U of M, so it's probably more likely he'd be willing to stay long term if he found success at the NBA level.

WHY reach for someone that will always be a backup on your team ,when you can have them in the second round ? There is probably a bigger chance he goes undrafted than in the top 20.

How could you possibly know what someone will always be?

Maybe you should be a scout if you can read human potential that well.

[Midw35t]

Why not at 17? He seems like he ticks a lot of boxes for what the Wolves need at the 4.

Plus, he went to the U of M, so it's probably more likely he'd be willing to stay long term if he found success at the NBA level.

WHY reach for someone that will always be a backup on your team ,when you can have them in the second round ? There is probably a bigger chance he goes undrafted than in the top 20.

How could you possibly know what someone will always be?

Maybe you should be a scout if you can read human potential that well.

There just is about zero chance that he can be a 4. He is not close to quick enough laterally. With KAT being slow as well, I dont see how they play together. He would be slated for 14 minutes a game at most as our backup C if he proves to be better than Naz Reid. We have far more glaring needs at the 3 and 4 positions that potentially can be addressed at #17 with the slated talent there.

Again, I like the player, just not at 17.

A trade idea I dont hate is a trade back with Boston for #26, #30, a future second or two for 17. At that point I dont mind taking Oturo at either slot, and hoping we can draft Bane, Bey, or Jones with the other.

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[Midw35t]

WHY reach for someone that will always be a backup on your team ,when you can have them in the second round ? There is probably a bigger chance he goes undrafted than in the top 20.

How could you possibly know what someone will always be?

Maybe you should be a scout if you can read human potential that well.

There just is about zero chance that he can be a 4. He is not close to quick enough laterally. With KAT being slow as well, I dont see how they play together. He would be slated for 14 minutes a game at most as our backup C if he proves to be better than Naz Reid. We have far more glaring needs at the 3 and 4 positions that potentially can be addressed at #17 with the slated talent there.

Again, I like the player, just not at 17.

A trade idea I dont hate is a trade back with Boston for #26, #30, a future second or two for 17. At that point I dont mind taking Oturo at either slot, and hoping we can draft Bane, Bey, Woodard, or Jones with the other. Mason Jones or Isaiah Joe at 33.

[urinesane]

At Least he accepts that he is top 3, not the best?

If he was there at 33. I wouldn't complain, just like you. At 17, no.

Love him at 33. Too many potential 3 and D types at 17 on the cheap to go backup big, IMO.

I just don't see Oturu's fit in the NBA. Not the largest or quickest player. Doesn't stretch the floor just not a modern NBA player. I would person draft Idoka Azubuike over him. I don't think Oturu will be a first round pick and I am a Gopher Fan

How doesn't he stretch the floor? His 3pt and midrange shot looks good from what I've seen. He has great touch around the basket and good post moves with the ability to knock down threes and protect the rim (shows pretty good timing imo).

He seemed like the only real scoring threat the gophers had, so at the NBA level, won't be settling for mid range jumpers as much.

[Midw35t]

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I wouldn't mind that draft at all.

3 players I like, especially Deni, plus a promising future asset in Charlotte's #1 in 2022. A potential chance at Bey, Jones, or Oturo at #33? Sign me up.

Though I wouldn't mind sitting there at #17 and taking Precious, Nesmith, or Bane instead, if that is how the draft falls.

[gandlogo]

How does Wiseman fit with Towns?

He doesn't fit with (as in on the floor at the same time) Towns in either of the offensive or defensive schemes the Wolves currently run. Therefore his fit would either be as a backup center behind Towns, or if the Wolves completely change their newly established (analytics based) systems.

[Midw35t]

How does Wiseman fit with Towns?

He doesn't fit with (as in on the floor at the same time) Towns in either of the offensive or defensive schemes the Wolves currently run. Therefore his fit would either be as a backup center behind Towns, or if the Wolves completely change their newly established (analytics based) systems.

Why do you say that?

[urinesane]

Number 17

Year Player School/Country – Team

2019 Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech – New Orleans Pelicans (1 start in 1 season) avg 1 start per season
2018 Donte DiVincenzo, Villanova – Milwaukee Bucks (24 games in 2 seasons) avg 12 starts per season
2017 D.J. Wilson, Michigan – Milwaukee Bucks (3 starts in 3 seasons) avg 1 start per season
2016 Wade Baldwin, Vanderbilt – Memphis Grizzlies (1 start in 3 seasons) avg .33 start per season
2015 Rashad Vaughn, UNLV – Milwaukee Bucks (8 starts in 3 seasons) avg 2.66 starts per season
2014 James Young, Kentucky – Boston Celtics (0 starts in 4 seasons) avg 0 starts per season
2013 Dennis Schroeder, Germany – Atlanta Hawks (305 starts in 7 seasons) avg 43.5 starts per season
2012 Tyler Zeller, UNC – Dallas Mavericks (166 starts in 8 seasons) avg 20.75 starts per season
2011 Iman Shumpert, Georgia Tech – New York Knicks (382 starts in 9 seasons) avg 42.4 starts per season
2010 Kevin Seraphin, France – Chicago Bulls (34 starts in 7 seasons) avg 4.85 starts per season

2000’s

2009 Jrue Holiday, UCLA – Philadelphia 76ers (640 starts in 11 seasons) avg 58 starts per season
2008 Roy Hibbert, Georgetown – Toronto Raptors (586 starts in 8 seasons) avg 73.25 starts per season
2007 Sean Williams, Boston College – New Jersey Nets (29 starts (all in 1st season) in 4 seasons) 7.25 starts per season
2006 Shawne Williams, Memphis – Indiana Pacers (58 starts in 7 seasons) avg 8.25 per season
2005 Danny Granger, New Mexico – Indiana Pacers (475 starts in 10 seasons) avg 47.5 starts per season
2004 Josh Smith, Oak Hill Academy H.S. VA – Atlanta Hawks (772 starts in 13 seasons) avg 59.4 starts per season
2003 Zarko Cabarkapa, Serbia & Montenegro – Phoenix Suns (4 starts in 3 seasons) avg 1.33 starts per season
2002 Juan Dixon, Maryland – Washington Wizards (77 starts in 7 seasons) avg 11 starts per season
2001 Michael Bradley, Villanova – Toronto Raptors (13 starts in 5 seasons) avg 2.6 starts per season
2000 Desmond Mason, Oklahoma State – Seattle Supersonics (385 starts in 10 seasons) avg 38.5 starts per season


So based on the last 20 drafts the 17th pick has a 35% chance of being what I would consider a consistent starter in the league. In the last 10 drafts this number is only 20% which means there's an 80% chance the pick at 17 won't be a starter.

My point being, of course you look for the best player you can get at this position, but having an expectation of finding a starter at this pick doesn't jive with the actual odds of finding one.

[urinesane]

How does Wiseman fit with Towns?

He doesn't fit with (as in on the floor at the same time) Towns in either of the offensive or defensive schemes the Wolves currently run. Therefore his fit would either be as a backup center behind Towns, or if the Wolves completely change their newly established (analytics based) systems.

How doesn't he fit?

The main reason most people point to is their assumption that he won't be able to guard a smaller PF/C on the perimeter, right?

What I'm looking for is someone to actually talk about his game and how it doesn't fit. Seems like a lot of assumptions are being made off of limited info and are assuming he won't improve in the areas they feel he struggles with.

On the flip side of Ball/Edwards, people in favor are assuming they'll fix their issues and fit with what the Wolves are doing.

So, I guess it mostly comes down to which of the three players you think WILL fix their flaws in the NBA.

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I wouldn't mind that draft at all.

3 players I like, especially Deni, plus a promising future asset in Charlotte's #1 in 2022. A potential chance at Bey, Jones, or Oturo at #33? Sign me up.

Though I wouldn't mind sitting there at #17 and taking Precious, Nesmith, or Bane instead, if that is how the draft falls.

I don’t like trading 17 for 27 and 30 when we have 33 already

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Based on his trade with Boston (17 for 26 and 30), do the Wolves even have that many open roster spots? Minnesota would still have its second rounder as well.

[Midw35t]

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Based on his trade with Boston (17 for 26 and 30), do the Wolves even have that many open roster spots? Minnesota would still have its second rounder as well.

Depends on what happens with Martin, JJ, Beasley, and Juancho. I believe we have one open roster spot already.

[Midw35t]

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I wouldn't mind that draft at all.

3 players I like, especially Deni, plus a promising future asset in Charlotte's #1 in 2022. A potential chance at Bey, Jones, or Oturo at #33? Sign me up.

Though I wouldn't mind sitting there at #17 and taking Precious, Nesmith, or Bane instead, if that is how the draft falls.

I don’t like trading 17 for 27 and 30 when we have 33 already

I dont love it nor hate it. Though Boston is the prime trade back candidate. I would ask for 2 future 2nds in addition.

[Domejandro]

I wouldn't mind that draft at all.

3 players I like, especially Deni, plus a promising future asset in Charlotte's #1 in 2022. A potential chance at Bey, Jones, or Oturo at #33? Sign me up.

Though I wouldn't mind sitting there at #17 and taking Precious, Nesmith, or Bane instead, if that is how the draft falls.

I don’t like trading 17 for 27 and 30 when we have 33 already

I dont love it nor hate it. Though Boston is the prime trade back candidate. I would ask for 2 future 2nds in addition.

You aren't getting #27, #30, AND two seconds for #17. Take out #30 and it would be somewhat possible, but I am doubtful that Boston would pull the trigger, given their quantity of Draft picks.

[thinktank]

I don’t think Rosas wants that many first rounders. No way.

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Based on his trade with Boston (17 for 26 and 30), do the Wolves even have that many open roster spots? Minnesota would still have its second rounder as well.

They probably forgot about the 2nd rounder. I hope so anyway.

It is weird. I get Boston trying to trade up, but why with us? There has to be another team around there that doesn't already have 3 picks.

Also I probably wouldn't take Deni in this scenario. I do like him but I'd take Ball and see if I can still trade him. Nothing insane, but if New York were willing to do the Dallas 1sts I'd be interested. Pairing those with this Charlotte one would be a lot of draft capital.