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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#1621 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:21 pm

Norseman79 wrote:I think the main division on trading towns is whether or not people view him as a superstar. I don't many others don't either but there are plenty that do. If he is in fact a superstar, you don't trade him unless you are getting an insane haul. If he's just a great player, you trade him for a good package. If you go the superstar route, you are not trading him for anything less than another star or a couple of very promising prospects and multiple first round picks. If he's just a great player, cut that in half.

As far as the wolves being competitive next year even by trading towns, it shouldn't take much coming back to be as good or better than last year. Assuming we are able to retain our own free agents. Fact is, we were basically 500 without towns. We played 500 basketball with a new point guard, a new center, and essentially a new power forward all while missing a star/great player. Now if you could change that player into two good players or better all while the rest of the team continues to gel and grow, how would we not be better? I completely get the argument that if towns is healthy for the entire year we are likely better than last year. However if we can trade towns for multiple good players that fit, we are also likely better than last year.

As the roster sits right now, this team needs guard help, perimeter help, and depth with not much cap space to address it all. We can definitely try to run it back and if everyone's healthy see what happens. But everyone needs to keep in mind, Conley injury who is our starting point guard? Rudy injury who is our starting center? As of right now, Edwards injury who is our starting two guard?

I will give you an example of a trade I don't like but one that seems to line up value-wise and creates a better roster. Let me repeat, I don't want to do this trade it's just one that explains value.

Timberwolves trade towns, Prince, and McClaughlin
Timberwolves get Murray, Collins and a couple picks

PG Murray, Conley
SG Edwards,
SF McDaniels, Minott
PF Collins, Anderson, Miller
C. Gobert

With about the same amount of cap space to try to sign Naz and NAW. Obviously Murray is expiring. I doubt they could resign him, but it creates cap space and allows for a potential sign and trade. I would also argue that is a better team than the one with towns would be.

So when I say I'm in favor of trading towns it isn't just a stockpile firsts and hope, it's to add a couple of pieces to the roster that make us better and adding a couple of pics. Towns is better than both Murray and Collins, but the wolves would be better with Murray and Collins then they are with towns. Looking at trades like this as we are giving up the best player is fair, but then you also have to look at the sum of the parts not just the parts themselves.

In an ideal world, we are able to resign our guys, town stays healthy all year and the wolves have a great playoff run, and his trade value is at an all-time high next year where they can make bank. Or maybe just unload Rudy who knows.


Well put.

The people who want to trade Towns want to improve the team while profiting, it isn't to blow it up. There should be an abundance of win-win offers out there.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#1622 » by TimberKat » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:46 pm

We should move the Towns trade to its own thread or create a 2023 off season moves thread with no Towns/Gobert trades. So far, I haven't seen a single one that I like. Towns for Ball was reasonable and won't happen. Agree with a few others that Towns/Gobert trade isn't happening, so any conversation is really debate on Towns' value and fantasy basketball.

Let's have more conversation about what other free agent signing or trade that could help the team: like Clarkson, Dennis Smith, Naz sign and trade landing, Harrison Barnes, LaVert, Seth Curry, etc.
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Post#1623 » by TheZachAttack » Sun Jun 25, 2023 4:45 pm

I really want the Wolves to trade for Tyus, Morris, and Wright -- it makes too much sense.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#1624 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:03 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:I really want the Wolves to trade for Tyus, Morris, and Wright -- it makes too much sense.


I don't really want any of them especially enough to trade. Suggs and maybe Anthony might be guys to target if it costs pretty much nothing, but still not excited over it, it is just a small move with upside it they don't demand anything. I wouldn't trade any value without starter upside.
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Post#1625 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:35 pm

With Naz coming back is it a possible indication that KAT will be traded to Portland in a deal involving Scoot, Simons and Nurkic?
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Post#1626 » by wolves_89 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:39 pm

KGdaBom wrote:With Naz coming back is it a possible indication that KAT will be traded to Portland in a deal involving Scoot, Simons and Nurkic?


I don't see the Naz signing as being an indication that KAT is getting moved. Based on what Connelly and Finch have been saying and the complete lack of rumors, I'd say it's highly likely at this point that KAT starts the season with the Wolves.
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Post#1627 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:43 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:With Naz coming back is it a possible indication that KAT will be traded to Portland in a deal involving Scoot, Simons and Nurkic?


I don't see the Naz signing as being an indication that KAT is getting moved. Based on what Connelly and Finch have been saying and the complete lack of rumors, I'd say it's highly likely at this point that KAT starts the season with the Wolves.

Of course KAT returning is the most likely scenario. However certain dominos had to fall for a KAT to Portland trade to happen. First Charlotte had to take Miller instead of Scoot that happened. Then Portland took Scoot. Now the Wolves resigning Naz is an indictor of need on the Wolves part and perhaps an assurance of minutes to Naz. Unlikely sure, but more likely than before.
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Post#1628 » by SO_MONEY » Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:44 pm

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KGdaBom wrote:With Naz coming back is it a possible indication that KAT will be traded to Portland in a deal involving Scoot, Simons and Nurkic?


I don't see the Naz signing as being an indication that KAT is getting moved. Based on what Connelly and Finch have been saying and the complete lack of rumors, I'd say it's highly likely at this point that KAT starts the season with the Wolves.


I think it is an indication someone is gone eventuality if not multiple someones.
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Post#1629 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jun 25, 2023 11:36 pm

SO_MONEY wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:With Naz coming back is it a possible indication that KAT will be traded to Portland in a deal involving Scoot, Simons and Nurkic?


I don't see the Naz signing as being an indication that KAT is getting moved. Based on what Connelly and Finch have been saying and the complete lack of rumors, I'd say it's highly likely at this point that KAT starts the season with the Wolves.


I think it is an indication someone is gone eventuality if not multiple someones.


Maybe not this season, but definitely before next.

I can't imagine its tenable to pay our 3 bigs over 100M.
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Post#1630 » by Domejandro » Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:00 am

Resigning a backup Center is not an indication of literally anything. Come on, guys.
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Post#1631 » by Baseline81 » Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:55 am

KGdaBom wrote:With Naz coming back is it a possible indication that KAT will be traded to Portland in a deal involving Scoot, Simons and Nurkic?

It's not an indication, however, locking down Reid certainly makes it easier to contemplate a trade of Towns or Gobert.

After all, having that much salary tied up in centers...
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Post#1632 » by SO_MONEY » Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:56 am

Domejandro wrote:Resigning a backup Center is not an indication of literally anything. Come on, guys.


Read the second sentence of the post above yours. At minimum one of them is going to be gone. I am not saying they are going to do it tomorrow, but it is going to happen and it is likely to happen before the 24-25.

They are not going to carry 100mil at the 5.
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Post#1633 » by Domejandro » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:07 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Resigning a backup Center is not an indication of literally anything. Come on, guys.


Read the second sentence of the post above yours. At minimum one of them is going to be gone. I am not saying they are going to do it tomorrow, but it is going to happen and it is likely to happen before the 24-25.

They are not going to carry 100mil at the 5.

I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!
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Post#1634 » by Colbinii » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:32 am

Domejandro wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Resigning a backup Center is not an indication of literally anything. Come on, guys.


Read the second sentence of the post above yours. At minimum one of them is going to be gone. I am not saying they are going to do it tomorrow, but it is going to happen and it is likely to happen before the 24-25.

They are not going to carry 100mil at the 5.

I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!


The fact anyone responds to SO-MONEY on this board is hilarious. Dude knows as much about basketball as my mom.
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Post#1635 » by SO_MONEY » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:46 am

Domejandro wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Resigning a backup Center is not an indication of literally anything. Come on, guys.


Read the second sentence of the post above yours. At minimum one of them is going to be gone. I am not saying they are going to do it tomorrow, but it is going to happen and it is likely to happen before the 24-25.

They are not going to carry 100mil at the 5.

I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!


That's fair, but they are forced into it and frankly they are still centers regardless if you have two of them on the floor. What I mean is if I play two SGs I don't call one a SF or PG or whatever... for no other reason than a sense of order I guess? 100 mil at center prevents paying a PF, PG or rounding out a roster through more measured allocation of resources.
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Post#1636 » by SO_MONEY » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:51 am

Colbinii wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Read the second sentence of the post above yours. At minimum one of them is going to be gone. I am not saying they are going to do it tomorrow, but it is going to happen and it is likely to happen before the 24-25.

They are not going to carry 100mil at the 5.

I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!


The fact anyone responds to SO-MONEY on this board is hilarious. Dude knows as much about basketball as my mom.


Why do I bother you so much that you need to make posts like this? I hope you can get over it I am not worth the energy.
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Post#1637 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:57 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Read the second sentence of the post above yours. At minimum one of them is going to be gone. I am not saying they are going to do it tomorrow, but it is going to happen and it is likely to happen before the 24-25.

They are not going to carry 100mil at the 5.

I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!


That's fair, but they are forced into it and frankly they are still centers regardless if you have two of them on the floor. What I mean is if I play two SGs I don't call one a SF or PG or whatever... for no other reason than a sense of order I guess? 100 mil at center prevents paying a PF, PG or rounding out a roster through more measured allocation of resources.

I don’t really view them all as centers in the traditional sense.
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Post#1638 » by Colbinii » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:58 am

SO_MONEY wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Domejandro wrote:I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!


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Post#1639 » by SO_MONEY » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:08 am

Klomp wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Domejandro wrote:I guess that it’s a good thing that half of that $100 million is being played at Power-Forward, then!


That's fair, but they are forced into it and frankly they are still centers regardless if you have two of them on the floor. What I mean is if I play two SGs I don't call one a SF or PG or whatever... for no other reason than a sense of order I guess? 100 mil at center prevents paying a PF, PG or rounding out a roster through more measured allocation of resources.

I don’t really view them all as centers in the traditional sense.


I think if you ask what position is their best and offer the least deficiencies, they are viewed as centers. I think when you play two centers and that it is called "twin towers" it is kind of self affirming what it is.
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Post#1640 » by SO_MONEY » Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:11 am

Colbinii wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
The fact anyone responds to SO-MONEY on this board is hilarious. Dude knows as much about basketball as my mom.


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