Trade Talk (Part Four)

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The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I say yes. I assume they would demand protections, especially if LaMelo is running the offense for them next year.

[KGdaBom]

Trade 1:
#1, Evans, Spellman, Culver for #7, Mykhailiuk, DET top3 protected 2021 FRP pick

Trade 2:
#17, JJ, Nowell for Gordon

Draft Vassell(Avdija), Tillie. Re-sign Beasley, Juancho, JMac and Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Vassell(Avdija)/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Mykhailiuk
DLo/JMac

+ DET top3 protected 2021 FRP pick

No culver in the trade and pick is 100% unprotected. Then it's worth considering.

[KGdaBom]

Trade 1:
#1, Evans, Spellman, Culver for #7, Mykhailiuk, DET top3 protected 2021 FRP pick

Trade 2:
#17, JJ, Nowell for Gordon

Draft Vassell(Avdija), Tillie. Re-sign Beasley, Juancho, JMac and Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillie
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Vassell(Avdija)/Layman/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Mykhailiuk
DLo/JMac

+ DET top3 protected 2021 FRP pick

There is zero need to include Culver in the deal. No. 1 for No. 7 and 2021 top 3 protected 2021 pick is more than fair. If you're going to deal with Detroit, you are probably going to have to ask for a 2022 pick because the Pistons will be so bad next year. But I would be okay with No. 1 for No. 7 and 2022 lightly protected Detroit FRP.

No protection. That protection will bite us in the a$$.

[KGdaBom]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

We say YES!!! in a New York Minute.

[Baseline81]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I say yes. I assume they would demand protections, especially if LaMelo is running the offense for them next year.

It becomes interesting if the Knicks even put a top-3 protection on the 2021 pick. I'm not sure I agree to those terms.

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The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I say yes. I assume they would demand protections, especially if LaMelo is running the offense for them next year.

It becomes interesting if the Knicks even put a top-3 protection on the 2021 pick. I'm not sure I agree to those terms.

True. Rookies are almost always a negative, and Barrett was one of the five worst players in the league last year (with Garland and DeAndre Hunter). LaMelo will be bad too - destructive his rookie year. The problem though is the uncertainty of a pick one or two years down the road. I agree Top 3 protection is more realistic, and like you, I would have to think about that offer.

[KGdaBom]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I say yes. I assume they would demand protections, especially if LaMelo is running the offense for them next year.

It becomes interesting if the Knicks even put a top-3 protection on the 2021 pick. I'm not sure I agree to those terms.

I never agree to trade for protected picks and I want to place protection on every FRP we ever trade.

[KGdaBom]

I say yes. I assume they would demand protections, especially if LaMelo is running the offense for them next year.

It becomes interesting if the Knicks even put a top-3 protection on the 2021 pick. I'm not sure I agree to those terms.

True. Rookies are almost always a negative, and Barrett was one of the five worst players in the league last year (with Garland and DeAndre Hunter). LaMelo will be bad too - destructive his rookie year. The problem though is the uncertainty of a pick one or two years down the road. I agree Top 3 protection is more realistic, and like you, I would have to think about that offer.

We agree to protection the absolute best that pick can be is #4 next year and may not even be conveyed. Knicks will be a lottery team next year, but that's not good enough for me to give up #1 for #8.

[Klomp]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I would like to be able to squeeze Mitch Robinson out of their hands, but not sure it'd be possible. Has more perimeter/movement ability than people realize.

[SO_MONEY]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I would like to be able to squeeze Mitch Robinson out of their hands, but not sure it'd be possible. Has more perimeter/movement ability than people realize.

I don't think we would want Robinson, we would want Barrett. If we wanted value from Robinson it would be a three team trade with him going elsewhere. But to answer the question, maybe, but probably not. #8 is just too far a drop for ONLY an asset we won't see until next year...we would need more or just have better offers from other teams.

[Whole Truth]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

IMO, easy yes.

The likely hood Knicks are good next year are slim to none but then by having no protection, it allows for lottery luck as well in the case they might be better than expected. Any pick under the new rules that's not top 4 protected is a recipe for teams to get burned. Which is why most picks traded now are protected against chance & luck with a top 4 stipulation.

If in the case the unprotected pick falls out of it's projected worth. Giving up the known for unknown is aided by the fact in this draft the 8th pick where Minnesota could select Vassell, could potentially net as good a player/fit as they would at 1 & on a better/cheaper contract. With Kat & Dlo being high usage players. Vassell would help the defense & spacing as he's a good defender who consistently shot 40% from 3 in his 2yrs of college, which IMO should better compliment your roster than taking risk on Wiseman, having Kat or risk on Edwards, having Beasly & Dlo who was also a former #2 & possibly already better than what Edwards could turn out to be.

2021 unprotected, Minnesota should then have a better chance at landing a good fit at PF, where PF options in this draft are thin to none, being your teams clear need.

[KGdaBom]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

IMO, easy yes.

The likely hood Knicks are good next year are slim to none but then by having no protection, it allows for lottery luck as well in the case they might be better than expected. Any pick under the new rules that's not top 4 protected is a recipe for teams to get burned. Which is why most picks traded now are protected against chance & luck with a top 4 stipulation.

If in the case the unprotected pick falls out of it's projected worth. Giving up the known for unknown is aided by the fact in this draft the 8th pick where Minnesota could select Vassell, could potentially net as good a player/fit as they would at 1 & on a better/cheaper contract. With Kat & Dlo being high usage players. Vassell would help the defense & spacing as he's a good defender who consistently shot 40% from 3 in his 2yrs of college, which IMO should better compliment your roster than taking risk on Wiseman, having Kat or risk on Edwards, having Beasly & Dlo who was also a former #2 & possibly already better than what Edwards could turn out to be.

2021 unprotected, Minnesota should then have a better chance at landing a good fit at PF, where PF options in this draft are thin to none, being your teams clear need.

Mostly agree with you, but Okongwu and Deni in this draft are both good PF prospects IMO.

[Whole Truth]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

IMO, easy yes.

The likely hood Knicks are good next year are slim to none but then by having no protection, it allows for lottery luck as well in the case they might be better than expected. Any pick under the new rules that's not top 4 protected is a recipe for teams to get burned. Which is why most picks traded now are protected against chance & luck with a top 4 stipulation.

If in the case the unprotected pick falls out of it's projected worth. Giving up the known for unknown is aided by the fact in this draft the 8th pick where Minnesota could select Vassell, could potentially net as good a player/fit as they would at 1 & on a better/cheaper contract. With Kat & Dlo being high usage players. Vassell would help the defense & spacing as he's a good defender who consistently shot 40% from 3 in his 2yrs of college, which IMO should better compliment your roster than taking risk on Wiseman, having Kat or risk on Edwards, having Beasly & Dlo who was also a former #2 & possibly already better than what Edwards could turn out to be.

2021 unprotected, Minnesota should then have a better chance at landing a good fit at PF, where PF options in this draft are thin to none, being your teams clear need.

Mostly agree with you, but Okongwu and Deni in this draft are both good PF prospects IMO.

I don't know much about Deni, haven't seen him play, thought he was a SF.

I had the PF's down to Onyeka & Toppin. I prefer Onyeka for his defense & rim protection but he has limited range. Whereas Toppin is an offensive talent, that's lacking defensively. Nothing a team would spend the #1 pick on. Trading down to 8th, both are expected to be off the board. So I had Memphis targeting a PF next draft where there should be more options to choose from.

[KGdaBom]

IMO, easy yes.

The likely hood Knicks are good next year are slim to none but then by having no protection, it allows for lottery luck as well in the case they might be better than expected. Any pick under the new rules that's not top 4 protected is a recipe for teams to get burned. Which is why most picks traded now are protected against chance & luck with a top 4 stipulation.

If in the case the unprotected pick falls out of it's projected worth. Giving up the known for unknown is aided by the fact in this draft the 8th pick where Minnesota could select Vassell, could potentially net as good a player/fit as they would at 1 & on a better/cheaper contract. With Kat & Dlo being high usage players. Vassell would help the defense & spacing as he's a good defender who consistently shot 40% from 3 in his 2yrs of college, which IMO should better compliment your roster than taking risk on Wiseman, having Kat or risk on Edwards, having Beasly & Dlo who was also a former #2 & possibly already better than what Edwards could turn out to be.

2021 unprotected, Minnesota should then have a better chance at landing a good fit at PF, where PF options in this draft are thin to none, being your teams clear need.

Mostly agree with you, but Okongwu and Deni in this draft are both good PF prospects IMO.

I don't know much about Deni, haven't seen him play, thought he was a SF.

I had the PF's down to Onyeka & Toppin. I prefer Onyeka for his defense & rim protection but he has limited range. Whereas Toppin is an offensive talent, that's lacking defensively. Nothing a team would spend the #1 pick on. Trading down to 8th, both are expected to be off the board. So I had Memphis targeting a PF next draft where there should be more options to choose from.

On our team Deni would be a point PF. I disagree with Onyeka or Deni not being worthy of the #1 overall. I would have no problem with taking either of them at #1. If we are looking for perfect picks in this draft we will just pass on all of our picks.

[old school 34]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

IMO, easy yes.

The likely hood Knicks are good next year are slim to none but then by having no protection, it allows for lottery luck as well in the case they might be better than expected. Any pick under the new rules that's not top 4 protected is a recipe for teams to get burned. Which is why most picks traded now are protected against chance & luck with a top 4 stipulation.

If in the case the unprotected pick falls out of it's projected worth. Giving up the known for unknown is aided by the fact in this draft the 8th pick where Minnesota could select Vassell, could potentially net as good a player/fit as they would at 1 & on a better/cheaper contract. With Kat & Dlo being high usage players. Vassell would help the defense & spacing as he's a good defender who consistently shot 40% from 3 in his 2yrs of college, which IMO should better compliment your roster than taking risk on Wiseman, having Kat or risk on Edwards, having Beasly & Dlo who was also a former #2 & possibly already better than what Edwards could turn out to be.

2021 unprotected, Minnesota should then have a better chance at landing a good fit at PF, where PF options in this draft are thin to none, being your teams clear need.

No protection...yes.

If they want top 4 protection....give me RJ for Culver or Okogie (I'd prefer them taking Culver but could see Thibs wanting Okogie). RJ wasn't great last year...but more confident that he'll get there over the other two & he'd hold up better @ 3 when he needs to play there (due to size & strength).

Hope Okongwu slides or Vassell...would be very happy with either.

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[Slim Tubby]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

Unprotected 2021 from the only franchise in the league run worse than the Wolves? Immediate YES!


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[Slim Tubby]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I would like to be able to squeeze Mitch Robinson out of their hands, but not sure it'd be possible. Has more perimeter/movement ability than people realize.

This is not a shot at you in any way, Klomp, but why would we want Robinson? Those of us that are proponents of taking Wiseman #1 have been told ad nauseam that it’s illegal to play 2 bigs at the same time in the current NBA.


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[Wolveswin]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

Unprotected 2021 from the only franchise in the league run worse than the Wolves? Immediate YES!


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I think the best Knicks deal is...

#8 + Randle + Knox + 2021 or 2022 (unprotected Wolves option) + 2021 Dallas (unprotected)

FOR

#1 + Johnson + Spellman

The question becomes, can Wolves get the other Dallas 1st owed?

[Klomp]

The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

I would like to be able to squeeze Mitch Robinson out of their hands, but not sure it'd be possible. Has more perimeter/movement ability than people realize.

This is not a shot at you in any way, Klomp, but why would we want Robinson? Those of us that are proponents of taking Wiseman #1 have been told ad nauseam that it’s illegal to play 2 bigs at the same time in the current NBA.

Read my last sentence for the explanation why. It's never been about the player's size. It's about their skill and movement ability. I never completely ruled out the Wolves taking Wiseman if they felt he had the requisite skill set. Don't just watch Robinson's Knicks highlights. Go back and try to find some high school footage. Find some videos of him in a practice gym. There's an ease and greater comfort on the perimeter and with the ball than even Wiseman has.

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The New York Knicks call and say “#1 for #8 and 2021 Unprotected First”. Do we say yes or no?

Unprotected 2021 from the only franchise in the league run worse than the Wolves? Immediate YES!


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I think the best Knicks deal is...

#8 + Randle + Knox + 2021 or 2022 (unprotected Wolves option) + 2021 Dallas (unprotected)

FOR

#1 + Johnson + Spellman

The question becomes, can Wolves get the other Dallas 1st owed?

I am not sure I have seen a team trade a pick with the option to defer, but I know of no rule against it. It would have made the Stepian Rule tougher for NYK’s front office, but they have unprotected DAL picks to avoid it. This option would potentially give MIN two chances to get a top 4 lottery pick, so I estimate that it increases the value of their pick by 50%. I think that would make it too rich for the Knicks.

I love this out of the box thinking!