Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Klomp]

Yes, however Ant has said that he does not want to be the primary ball handler.

You say that, but yet during every rebound, Ant is one of the guys who goes back for the ball rather than leaking out in transition. It's part of why the team is using training camp to be more intentional about what to do in these situations. He DOES want the ball, it's ingrained in him. What he doesn't want is the burden of "setting up the offense" or calling out plays on every possession. That's not him. But that's also not what Finch usually asks of his primary ballhandler.

[BlacJacMac]

Yes, however Ant has said that he does not want to be the primary ball handler.

You say that, but yet during every rebound, Ant is one of the guys who goes back for the ball rather than leaking out in transition. It's part of why the team is using training camp to be more intentional about what to do in these situations. He DOES want the ball, it's ingrained in him. What he doesn't want is the burden of "setting up the offense" or calling out plays on every possession. That's not him. But that's also not what Finch usually asks of his primary ballhandler.

I think a big part of that is he doesn't read the floor well or see plays before they develop. Its the one area where him being late to basketball really shows.

We miss a lot of easy baskets because he doesn't see the play in time.

I've learned never to doubt Ant, so I won't be shocked if he vastly improves on that aspect of the game. But it hasn't happened yet.

[younggunsmn]

Would you guys do Rob+DDV for Collin Sexton if Sexton signed an extension with a 20 mil AAV?
The combined salaries are only 450k difference.
Sexton is expring and DDV has one year after this year.

Hornets have a roster crunch so maybe have to throw in Spencer Dinwiddie coming back to us too.

I would have to do a deep dive on Sexton's defense.
But he's a super efficient scorer and only 26 and has been stuck on a rebuilding Utah team.
He could be a candidate to breakout and become a Brunson-lite kind of scoring PG to compliment Ant and take pressure off him.
He's only 6' but thickly built and gets to the line at a decent rate.

I'm a bit worried about Dante's health and not super optimistic on Rob though and am comfortable rolling with TJ/Clark/Juzang as our backup wings.

Sexton Conley Dinwiddie
Edwards Shannon Juzang
McDaniels Clark Ingles
Randle Reid Miller
Gobert Beringer

Newton Freeman Ziakarsky 2 ways

[FrenchMinnyFan]

This debate is interesting. As Mike is getting too old to be a 30 min starter PG, the point is do we need a good PG to run the show? i don't think it's necessary Finch mindset's to play with a PG and for me the reason may be simple : ANT! ANT love to get the ball in hands ( as Randle) which make, whoever play PG, sitting in a corner and waiting to get the ball ( or not).
Things won't change as long as ANT game do not change. Will he change with more experience? Time will tell but i do believe ANT like to be the hero and accepting to have another player who run the show more than him is not something i will bet on.

Yes, however Ant has said that he does not want to be the primary ball handler. I think we need a PG for the sake of pushing pace and keeping the ball moving. A good PG will find his teammates in the right spots at the right time to take advantage of the mismatches. He will also be a threat to score so there is no sagging off him. Bite-bite does a good job and I hope that Dilly will also, as he learns from Mike and gets playing time.

Got the same expectation. If Rob improve fast, which i think may happen, i see him playing more and more in the second part of the season and replace Mike sooner or later. Still need to learn from Mike but he is willing to do it and is smart. I expect a good surprise from Rob this year even if I'm'
the only one here .

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Would you guys do Rob+DDV for Collin Sexton if Sexton signed an extension with a 20 mil AAV?
The combined salaries are only 450k difference.
Sexton is expring and DDV has one year after this year.

Hornets have a roster crunch so maybe have to throw in Spencer Dinwiddie coming back to us too.

I would have to do a deep dive on Sexton's defense.
But he's a super efficient scorer and only 26 and has been stuck on a rebuilding Utah team.
He could be a candidate to breakout and become a Brunson-lite kind of scoring PG to compliment Ant and take pressure off him.
He's only 6' but thickly built and gets to the line at a decent rate.

I'm a bit worried about Dante's health and not super optimistic on Rob though and am comfortable rolling with TJ/Clark/Juzang as our backup wings.

Sexton Conley Dinwiddie
Edwards Shannon Juzang
McDaniels Clark Ingles
Randle Reid Miller
Gobert Beringer

Newton Freeman Ziakarsky 2 ways

I'm really in-between with Sexton. Able to play very well and being awful in the same game. Not a level of consistency and defense is questionable at best. But the speed he can bring is something we need. For me will depend of what Rob and DDV put on the table this year.

[younggunsmn]

Would you guys do Rob+DDV for Collin Sexton if Sexton signed an extension with a 20 mil AAV?
The combined salaries are only 450k difference.
Sexton is expring and DDV has one year after this year.

Hornets have a roster crunch so maybe have to throw in Spencer Dinwiddie coming back to us too.

I would have to do a deep dive on Sexton's defense.
But he's a super efficient scorer and only 26 and has been stuck on a rebuilding Utah team.
He could be a candidate to breakout and become a Brunson-lite kind of scoring PG to compliment Ant and take pressure off him.
He's only 6' but thickly built and gets to the line at a decent rate.

I'm a bit worried about Dante's health and not super optimistic on Rob though and am comfortable rolling with TJ/Clark/Juzang as our backup wings.

Sexton Conley Dinwiddie
Edwards Shannon Juzang
McDaniels Clark Ingles
Randle Reid Miller
Gobert Beringer

Newton Freeman Ziakarsky 2 ways

I'm really in-between with Sexton. Able to play very well and being awful in the same game. Not a level of consistency and defense is questionable at best. But the speed he can bring is something we need. For me will depend of what Rob and DDV put on the table this year.

Same.
Guy is a walking bucket though and has a lot of swagger and grit.
Career 47/39/84 shooting line is impressive even if the A/TO is mediocre.

Think he fits better here on this team and in this system than Dante and Rob.
I get the value of a wing shooter like Dante but IMHO you can get 80% of what he brings for the minimum with Johnny Juzang.

I looked over every team's roster to find a guard for the future to pair with Ant and the pickings were pretty slim when it came to value, fit, and salary matching. This was one unexplored option that intrigued me.

Cha gets better value out of it with Dante's extra year but the value for us would be getting him signed to a long term extension to solidify the rest of Ant's contract window without giving up any future draft capital.

Would greatly help take the pressure off Ant to create at crunch time to also have a guy on the other side of the floor who is a true 3 level threat.

[Klomp]

A trade concept I will keep an eye on during the season: Donte DiVincenzo for Lonzo Ball

[frankenwolf]

Would you guys do Rob+DDV for Collin Sexton if Sexton signed an extension with a 20 mil AAV?
The combined salaries are only 450k difference.
Sexton is expring and DDV has one year after this year.

Hornets have a roster crunch so maybe have to throw in Spencer Dinwiddie coming back to us too.

I would have to do a deep dive on Sexton's defense.
But he's a super efficient scorer and only 26 and has been stuck on a rebuilding Utah team.
He could be a candidate to breakout and become a Brunson-lite kind of scoring PG to compliment Ant and take pressure off him.
He's only 6' but thickly built and gets to the line at a decent rate.

I'm a bit worried about Dante's health and not super optimistic on Rob though and am comfortable rolling with TJ/Clark/Juzang as our backup wings.

Sexton Conley Dinwiddie
Edwards Shannon Juzang
McDaniels Clark Ingles
Randle Reid Miller
Gobert Beringer

Newton Freeman Ziakarsky 2 ways

I'm pretty high on Dilly, but I would do this trade if we could lock in Sexton for 20M aav. I think he could fit in very well. Would the Hornets do it though? I think they might. . .

[KGdaBom]

This debate is interesting. As Mike is getting too old to be a 30 min starter PG, the point is do we need a good PG to run the show? i don't think it's necessary Finch mindset's to play with a PG and for me the reason may be simple : ANT! ANT love to get the ball in hands ( as Randle) which make, whoever play PG, sitting in a corner and waiting to get the ball ( or not).
Things won't change as long as ANT game do not change. Will he change with more experience? Time will tell but i do believe ANT like to be the hero and accepting to have another player who run the show more than him is not something i will bet on.

Yes, however Ant has said that he does not want to be the primary ball handler. I think we need a PG for the sake of pushing pace and keeping the ball moving. A good PG will find his teammates in the right spots at the right time to take advantage of the mismatches. He will also be a threat to score so there is no sagging off him. Bite-bite does a good job and I hope that Dilly will also, as he learns from Mike and gets playing time.

Got the same expectation. If Rob improve fast, which i think may happen, i see him playing more and more in the second part of the season and replace Mike sooner or later. Still need to learn from Mike but he is willing to do it and is smart. I expect a good surprise from Rob this year even if I'm'
the only one here .

You're not the only one here.

[winforlose]

A trade concept I will keep an eye on during the season: Donte DiVincenzo for Lonzo Ball

I don’t think the money works, and I think that would doom our season. Lonzo will be lucky to play half the season before injuries take him out.

[KGdaBom]

A trade concept I will keep an eye on during the season: Donte DiVincenzo for Lonzo Ball

I don’t think the money works, and I think that would doom our season. Lonzo will be lucky to play half the season before injuries take him out.

Unless it's a vet minimum I just say no to Lonzo.

[TimberKat]

A trade concept I will keep an eye on during the season: Donte DiVincenzo for Lonzo Ball

I don’t think the money works, and I think that would doom our season. Lonzo will be lucky to play half the season before injuries take him out.

Unless it's a vet minimum I just say no to Lonzo.

I think Cavs want to keep Lonzo. They needed a defensive backup guard.

[shrink]

I think people are too quick to write off Mike Conley because of age.

Chris Paul is 40, and he played all 82 games last year. As Mike has said, he is able to stay healthier than most nba players, because he isn’t crashing the board or driving through contact - he just has to navigate occasional screens. Last year he was injured, not dying from old age.

[BlacJacMac]

I think people are too quick to write off Mike Conley because of age.

Chris Paul is 40, and he played all 82 games last year. As Mike has said, he is able to stay healthier than most nba players, because he isn’t crashing the board or driving through contact - he just has to navigate occasional screens. Last year he was injured, not dying from old age.

Then we better hope his inability to score inside the arc was injury related.

[frankenwolf]

I think people are too quick to write off Mike Conley because of age.

Chris Paul is 40, and he played all 82 games last year. As Mike has said, he is able to stay healthier than most nba players, because he isn’t crashing the board or driving through contact - he just has to navigate occasional screens. Last year he was injured, not dying from old age.

Then we better hope his inability to score inside the arc was injury related.

I will blame it on the wrist problems he had at the start of the year, then lacking confidence after the injury healed.

Spoiler:

But then, what do I know. I'm not there

[gandlogo]

I think people are too quick to write off Mike Conley because of age.

Chris Paul is 40, and he played all 82 games last year. As Mike has said, he is able to stay healthier than most nba players, because he isn’t crashing the board or driving through contact - he just has to navigate occasional screens. Last year he was injured, not dying from old age.

Watch on YouTube

And what it looks like every time Paul and Conely face off.

[KGdaBom]

I think people are too quick to write off Mike Conley because of age.

Chris Paul is 40, and he played all 82 games last year. As Mike has said, he is able to stay healthier than most nba players, because he isn’t crashing the board or driving through contact - he just has to navigate occasional screens. Last year he was injured, not dying from old age.

Watch on YouTube

And what it looks like every time Paul and Conely face off.

EPIC

[BlacJacMac]

I think people are too quick to write off Mike Conley because of age.

Chris Paul is 40, and he played all 82 games last year. As Mike has said, he is able to stay healthier than most nba players, because he isn’t crashing the board or driving through contact - he just has to navigate occasional screens. Last year he was injured, not dying from old age.

Then we better hope his inability to score inside the arc was injury related.

I will blame it on the wrist problems he had at the start of the year, then lacking confidence after the injury healed.

Spoiler:

But then, what do I know. I'm not there

I've thought about that too. But he did shoot 41% from 3, so I have trouble understanding why the wrist would bother him only on closer shots.

I thought he looked old last night. Although maybe it was just "let's get the preseason over with" - which is how I thought Jaden played as well.

Last night might've been the first game where I thought Dilly looked better out there than Mike.

[Norseman79]

Charlotte, if I read it write, has three 1rst round picks in 2027.

Min out: DD, Rob, Miller
In: Sexton, least favorable 1rst of the three.

Min gets starting PG and recoups a 1rst.

Char out: Sexton, 2027 1
In: DD, Rob, Miller

Gets shooter next to Ball, young PG to develop, young big.

[minimus]

Is Collin Sexton a better PG than Dennis Schröder?