Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[twix2500]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Yeah, Minnesota isnt going to take long term salary back in a jimmy deal unless dieng goes out.

Id rather have okogie than Winslow. Olynyk spaces our offense, but doesnt help our defense. And Richardson is a nice player, but he isnt some young game changer you trade a top 15 NBA player for. Wheres 3? I see only 2 unless you are including dieng and/or you can see into the future and know that pick will be decent.

With the emergence of okogie, I think Im good with a Okogie/Wiggins wing tandem going into the next decade.

The draft pick will be the third player at a low salary. Okogie would be in the rotation. Okogie, Richardson and Wiggins can rotate because Richardson is versatile enough to play the 2 and 3. The fact that they are young and locked up with good long term deals is a plus not a minus. Each player making 10 to 12 per yr is a dam good contract.

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[Calinks]

It really is a damn shame Jimmy is not committed to being here and his teammates. If he had good chemistry and wanted to lead this team going forward we would be in nice shape. The talent this year is a step up form last . Jimmy could mentor Okogie and we would be in the playoffs likely for the next couple of years while refining the squad. We could be legit contenders as the team comes int its own over some seasons. Its a really good fit for Jimmy too, I could see him getting sent somewhere he isn't better off career wise. He gets to be the man on a team catering to his play style right with young talent around him right now. I think a lot of players would have killed to be in that position in the past.

[shrink]

New trade idea:

MIN gets Gordon Hayward
BOS gets Jimmy Butler

Minny gets a long-term contract, near all star player who provides leadership, plays defense, and willing to defer to KAT as the star player.

Boston replaces a "near" all star with an actual all star player. Keeps Kyrie happy to have his buddy on the team. Makes Jaylen expendable as a trade chip for further assets.

I couldn't make it work in the trade checker, but I'm sure it could work out if both teams agree on the key assets being exchanged.

Would need a guarantee or sign-and-trade from Butler to ensure he stays in BOS.

Wot u think?

It will never happen because of the relationship Hayward has with his college coach Brad Stevens.

Doc Rivers traded his own son, this is a business

Jimmy and Thibs too. It’s a business.

[theGreatRC]

I'd take J Richardson, but since Okogie kind of came out of nowhere, we're not necessarily in need of needing another guard/foward as a starter since it looks like we might just keep building his playing time and let him grow with KAT & Wiggs.

I will say that it does feel good to have another young guy on the roster you root for to do well every night & we added another young guys to complete a young trio.

With that said, i'd take J Rich in a heart beat and he'd be the perfect 3rd or 4th option for us, he seems like he would fit well with the culture we're trying to build. The only reason I mentioned Okogie and not really needing to add a guy like J Rich is because i'd rather go after a young PF/C like Bam next to KAT for Butler

Bam + Dion + 1st for Butler

[Crazy-Canuck]

I'd take J Richardson, but since Okogie kind of came out of nowhere, we're not necessarily in need of needing another guard/foward as a starter since it looks like we might just keep building his playing time and let him grow with KAT & Wiggs.

I will say that it does feel good to have another young guy on the roster you root for to do well every night & we added another young guys to complete a young trio.

With that said, i'd take J Rich in a heart beat and he'd be the perfect 3rd or 4th option for us, he seems like he would fit well with the culture we're trying to build. The only reason I mentioned Okogie and not really needing to add a guy like J Rich is because i'd rather go after a young PF/C like Bam next to KAT for Butler

Bam + Dion + 1st for Butler

It'll cost at least 1 first to just unload waiters. So, then we are basically giving butler for bam. No thanks.

[theGreatRC]

I'd take J Richardson, but since Okogie kind of came out of nowhere, we're not necessarily in need of needing another guard/foward as a starter since it looks like we might just keep building his playing time and let him grow with KAT & Wiggs.

I will say that it does feel good to have another young guy on the roster you root for to do well every night & we added another young guys to complete a young trio.

With that said, i'd take J Rich in a heart beat and he'd be the perfect 3rd or 4th option for us, he seems like he would fit well with the culture we're trying to build. The only reason I mentioned Okogie and not really needing to add a guy like J Rich is because i'd rather go after a young PF/C like Bam next to KAT for Butler

Bam + Dion + 1st for Butler

It'll cost at least 1 first to just unload waiters. So, then we are basically giving butler for bam. No thanks.

What if we take Dion & TJ if we get JRich & Bam back

Jimmy, Gorgui, Patton

for

Richardson, Bam, TJ, Dion, Miami 1st

[Neeva]

If miami wants butler they need to give both bam and richardson the price is only going up..bam is not off to a great start this season anyway.

[Calinks]

If Richardson, Bam, and a first was on offer I'd call Jimmy over to me and push him through the phone to Riley to get that deal done ASAP. Defensive wing, potential defensive big, possible good pick. 3 nice pieces for a star.

[McHalesBurner]

Are there any GMs who are on the hot seat and who's teams are expected to be competitive this season? Those are the guys to target. When push comes to shove, most people are worried about keeping their phony baloney jobs.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I'd take J Richardson, but since Okogie kind of came out of nowhere, we're not necessarily in need of needing another guard/foward as a starter since it looks like we might just keep building his playing time and let him grow with KAT & Wiggs.

I will say that it does feel good to have another young guy on the roster you root for to do well every night & we added another young guys to complete a young trio.

With that said, i'd take J Rich in a heart beat and he'd be the perfect 3rd or 4th option for us, he seems like he would fit well with the culture we're trying to build. The only reason I mentioned Okogie and not really needing to add a guy like J Rich is because i'd rather go after a young PF/C like Bam next to KAT for Butler

Bam + Dion + 1st for Butler

It'll cost at least 1 first to just unload waiters. So, then we are basically giving butler for bam. No thanks.

What if we take Dion & TJ if we get JRich & Bam back

Jimmy, Gorgui, Patton

for

Richardson, Bam, TJ, Dion, Miami 1st

Dion has 3 more years, the same as dieng. Id rather have gorgui because at the very least, he isnt a tool.

Im hanging up at the very mention of dion.


Richardson, bam, and 1st for jimmy

Or

Richardson, whiteside, and 1st for jimmy and dieng

Whiteside has 2 years, so we at least get out of 1 year of diengs deal.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Do not want Miami's crumbs. I watch Heat games and what they are offering is putrid. Would much prefer we lose him for nothing a keep the cap space.

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[Streakers33]

I don’t hate the Miami offer.. jrich at least can play. If they give olynik instead of waiters than a pick is cool. If they send waiters I’d want two picks or add bam..
we have enough drama.. I can’t as a human take any chance of whiteside throwing a fit here. We need a trade and then quiet team issues. And move pieces as deadline approaches.. I think we will be a .500 team without butler and I don’t see teague or Gibson adding to the wins so I’d be moving those pieces for some youth and keep plugging with this group.


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[Tukkerwolf]

Okogie changed a lot indeed, but without Butler I still think we need a slightly bigger wing, like Winslow/ RoCo.
Or KBD, but no idea how ready he is...

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Everybody here knows those players arent moving the damn needle for the future of the Wolves. Theyre nice to "have" on a message board, but in the grand scheme...theyre likely to end up being nothings in the NBA world. We took back "young nice" talent after the KG trade with Gomes, Gerald Green, Big Al and Sebastian Telfair. probably more promising young talent than that....and it netted us NBA purgatory for 5 years until all were off the team and moved on.


Fact is I think the best play here is to call Jimmys bluff. with his bird rights, he knows we're the best team he can end his career with AND make the most money. Outside of forming a super team on some random team(likely wont happen), Jimmy aint accomplishing s*it in Miami, LA-C, Brooklyn wherever.

And the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy and his drama than we are with the Miami package...this year,and the next handful of years.

[Streakers33]

And dec 15th opens up other teams trade pieces


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[Neal25]

SAC gets MIA 2019 1st round pick and MIN gets MIL 1st round pick via PHX.

[Rookie-Mistake]

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Yuk ..

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[red96]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Everybody here knows those players arent moving the damn needle for the future of the Wolves. Theyre nice to "have" on a message board, but in the grand scheme...theyre likely to end up being nothings in the NBA world. We took back "young nice" talent after the KG trade with Gomes, Gerald Green, Big Al and Sebastian Telfair. probably more promising young talent than that....and it netted us NBA purgatory for 5 years until all were off the team and moved on.


Fact is I think the best play here is to call Jimmys bluff. with his bird rights, he knows we're the best team he can end his career with AND make the most money. Outside of forming a super team on some random team(likely wont happen), Jimmy aint accomplishing s*it inMiami, LA-C, Brooklyn wherever.

And the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy and his drama than we are with the Miami package...this year,and the next handful of years.

You dont see LAC as a real threat to sign Jimmy? Why not? They have space, a good coach, what looks like a solid team(without Jimmy), engaged owner, Jerry West, one of the largest markets, weather, and women.

[breatnach]

You dont see LAC as a real threat to sign Jimmy? Why not? They have space, a good coach, what looks like a solid team(without Jimmy), engaged owner, Jerry West, one of the largest markets, weather, and women.

I might have missed a beat, but I am pretty sure any team that wants him will trade for him. That's the only way they can give him the bigger / longer contract. I think he values the money more than the destination.

[Killboard]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Everybody here knows those players arent moving the damn needle for the future of the Wolves. Theyre nice to "have" on a message board, but in the grand scheme...theyre likely to end up being nothings in the NBA world. We took back "young nice" talent after the KG trade with Gomes, Gerald Green, Big Al and Sebastian Telfair. probably more promising young talent than that....and it netted us NBA purgatory for 5 years until all were off the team and moved on.


Fact is I think the best play here is to call Jimmys bluff. with his bird rights, he knows we're the best team he can end his career with AND make the most money. Outside of forming a super team on some random team(likely wont happen), Jimmy aint accomplishing s*it in Miami, LA-C, Brooklyn wherever.

And the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy and his drama than we are with the Miami package...this year,and the next handful of years.

You are aware of the Butler-Towns beef? Did you see the stat about last whole season assist from jimmy to KAT?

Given his recent extension is KAT call if he wants keep Jimmy around or bolt. Thibs couldn't hold Jimmy accountable so I'm expecting one of them to bolt. Just hope it be Jimmy and Thibs.