Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[Domejandro]

I am open to Mike Conley and Rob Dillingham (with Leonard Miller) for Collin Sexton, but I would not want to give up Donte DiVincenzo in that swap. Getting Collin Sexton indicates trying to win a Championship (with the limited resources Minnesota has), so maintaining Donte DiVencenzo's shooting is important for the team's balance.

[Klomp]

I believe we still cannot aggregate, no?

[Domejandro]

I believe we still cannot aggregate, no?

My understanding is that Minnesota can aggregate, under the assumption that they stay under the Second Apron and their outgoing salaries are more than what they are taking back.

[Klomp]

I believe we still cannot aggregate, no?

My understanding is that Minnesota can aggregate, under the assumption that they stay under the Second Apron and their outgoing salaries are more than what they are taking back.

That might be the key part I was missing, good catch if true.

[Neeva]

Colin Sexton sucks.

[Domejandro]

Colin Sexton sucks.

Fast in the open court, a strong driver who goes into the body of defenders, capable ball-handler, and efficient scorer (48/41/86, >39% from three for three straight season). He is far from a star (probably better as a sixth-man, truthfully), but you aren't getting a stud for Mike Conley and Rob Dillingham. Minnesota needs a capable scorer on the perimeter who can take pressure off of Anthony Edwards, and he would offer that.

Being honest, unless Charlotte really just wanted to reload with a young hopeful in Rob Dillingham, I don't think the trade offer is particularly interesting for them without Donte DiVincenzo's inclusion (which Minnesota should not do).

[minimus]

Watch on YouTube

He has just almost recorded a triple-double: 21-10-9(turnovers). Anyway his 3PT shot looks legit. Although I dont see how MIN can pay him 20 mil AAV, in the world where Payton Pritchard gets 8 mil per year, Schroeder gets 14 mil per year. Malik Monk gets 20 mil and I am not sure whether Sexton has shown same level of performance in terms of integration in team offense.

[winforlose]

Sexton is not a distributor. His career AST/TO is 3.7/2.3 and outside of the 23-24 season has never had an AST/TO better than 2/1. We don’t need another score first guard, we need a guard who can do both. They must also be okay playing off ball when Ant wants to bring it up. Though admittedly this should not happen often.

[Norseman79]

Look, in my opinion, there are five tiers of moves available for trades:
Tier 1: ever gonna happen - this is obvious your superstar trade.
Tier 2: expensive but good player and worth it
Tier 3: affordable and helps our roster/starter/key role
Tier 4: cheap and is depth/balance roster
Tier 5: why do this?

Sexton to me would be tier 3, and I consider DD (the version we have had) to be a fair price.
People want tier 2, but that is going to cost Randle, Reid, McDaniels, etc...
People would complain about tier 4, but that's the price they want to pay.

[TimberKat]

Watched Sexton since he was with Cavs, he is more like Malik Beasley. He could be a scorer off the bench but not PG.

[winforlose]

Look, in my opinion, there are five tiers of moves available for trades:
Tier 1: ever gonna happen - this is obvious your superstar trade.
Tier 2: expensive but good player and worth it
Tier 3: affordable and helps our roster/starter/key role
Tier 4: cheap and is depth/balance roster
Tier 5: why do this?

Sexton to me would be tier 3, and I consider DD (the version we have had) to be a fair price.
People want tier 2, but that is going to cost Randle, Reid, McDaniels, etc...
People would complain about tier 4, but that's the price they want to pay.

I actually vote for tier 6. Tier 6 is in my opinion we lose more games for making the trade as we become even more unbalanced and less talented overall. DDV is a much better fit than Sexton in my opinion. Sexton and Ant as our starting backcourt likely doesn’t make the playoffs because the ball does not move end of game.

[ILC]

Look, in my opinion, there are five tiers of moves available for trades:
Tier 1: ever gonna happen - this is obvious your superstar trade.
Tier 2: expensive but good player and worth it
Tier 3: affordable and helps our roster/starter/key role
Tier 4: cheap and is depth/balance roster
Tier 5: why do this?

Sexton to me would be tier 3, and I consider DD (the version we have had) to be a fair price.
People want tier 2, but that is going to cost Randle, Reid, McDaniels, etc...
People would complain about tier 4, but that's the price they want to pay.

It would be a massive overpay considering Hornets got him for Nurkić and also got a 2nd rounder from Jazz for their trouble.

I said at the time of the trade Wolves should've done it for Rob, Mike and gotten one of their 1sts back but Utah probably didn't want another young guard to develop along with their existing ones.

Hopefully he's a buyout candidate if no one trades for him before the deadline.

[NebWolvesFan]

Honestly if Minnesota does a trade this year - it's involving Randle. I feel like once Naz signed his extension he became the PF in waiting. I do feel like Randle will be gone by the start of the 26-27 season. TC isn't sending him to a dumpster fire. He will do right by Julius.

[Wolveswin]

Honestly if Minnesota does a trade this year - it's involving Randle. I feel like once Naz signed his extension he became the PF in waiting. I do feel like Randle will be gone by the start of the 26-27 season. TC isn't sending him to a dumpster fire. He will do right by Julius.

This.

Randle is better than Reid. But in a salary cap league with limited assets to improve the roster - Randle fits the bill as trade bait.

Wolves need to keep an eye on PGs from teams that could change course and decide to tank.

Hornets: Ball
Grizzlies: Morant (not in Wolves price point and not sure a fit in MN but could be part of bigger deal)
Bulls: Giddey
Pacers: Nembhard (doubt they tank or even consider trading him…but monitor)
Spurs: Fox
76ers: Maxey/McCain (only have a top 3 protection on own pick but guard deep team could look for a change up)
Magic: Suggs (I still like him most for the price Wolves actually have to pay - he isn’t a true PG (which Wolves don’t ‘need’) but love his D and shooting if he can keep that improving)

Wolves need a team desiring Randle. Take those assets and send to team with a PG upgrade. Reid backfills some of Randle - and hope is a more complete roster is a better roster.

[winforlose]

Honestly if Minnesota does a trade this year - it's involving Randle. I feel like once Naz signed his extension he became the PF in waiting. I do feel like Randle will be gone by the start of the 26-27 season. TC isn't sending him to a dumpster fire. He will do right by Julius.

This.

Randle is better than Reid. But in a salary cap league with limited assets to improve the roster - Randle fits the bill as trade bait.

Wolves need to keep an eye on PGs from teams that could change course and decide to tank.

Hornets: Ball
Grizzlies: Morant (not in Wolves price point and not sure a fit in MN but could be part of bigger deal)
Bulls: Giddey
Pacers: Nembhard (doubt they tank or even consider trading him…but monitor)
Spurs: Fox
76ers: Maxey/McCain (only have a top 3 protection on own pick but guard deep team could look for a change up)
Magic: Suggs (I still like him most for the price Wolves actually have to pay - he isn’t a true PG (which Wolves don’t ‘need’) but love his D and shooting if he can keep that improving)

Wolves need a team desiring Randle. Take those assets and send to team with a PG upgrade. Reid backfills some of Randle - and hope is a more complete roster is a better roster.

Putting aside the personal stuff, Giddey is a bad fit. The same thing that drove him out of OKC will drive him out of any contender. In this league if you cannot hit a 3 you better be a big or the only non shooter. Rudy and Joan are the future of the C position in Minnesota and neither can hit a 3. Suggs inconsistency on offense creates the same problem. Fox is overpaid relative to what he offers you. Lamelo is interesting if he can stay healthy, but I doubt we get him. Coby White or DJM are the only impact players in our price range. Everyone else is a patch with the hope that we get lucky either with a draft pick or internal development of Dilly.

[younggunsmn]

I am open to Mike Conley and Rob Dillingham (with Leonard Miller) for Collin Sexton, but I would not want to give up Donte DiVincenzo in that swap. Getting Collin Sexton indicates trying to win a Championship (with the limited resources Minnesota has), so maintaining Donte DiVencenzo's shooting is important for the team's balance.

I get it. Sexton isn't great as a PG either.
I don't think Dillingham has much value around the league at this point and if he struggles to start the season his trade value might actually go negative sooner than expected due to his salary.

For what its worth I think Donte is overvalued somewhat because fans still want to see him as the player he was during that half season and playoff run for the Knicks, rather than the high end backup wing shooter he is.
The turf toe history makes me nervous too.

The big difference between the two is that Sexton has no problem creating his own offense and Donte can't really.
He's kind of got that Irrational confidence that can be great at times and really frustrating at times but overall he's very efficient.
Donte has the extra year and lower cap hit.
You only trade him for Sexton with an extension in place.
But seeing as TC chased Donte in Free Agency and traded a franchise player in KAT for him, I don't see him moving Dante until next summer at earliest.

Sexton is certainly a player I could see us chasing next summer via the MLE or sign and trade.

For what its worth, Conley+Dilly or Donte+Dilly have slightly lower outgoing salary than Sexton, which would not be legal for us as a first apron team.
(we can aggregate, but can only take back <100% regardless of aggregating or not).
In either scenario, Miller or another minimum salary player would be required and likely sent to a 3rd team.
Hornets would also have to cut/trade a player to create a roster spot.

[BlacJacMac]

Magic: Suggs (I still like him most for the price Wolves actually have to pay - he isn’t a true PG (which Wolves don’t ‘need’) but love his D and shooting if he can keep that improving)

I still think 2023-24 was a massive outlier as he regressed to the mean last year.

2021-22: 36/21/78
2022-23: 42/33/72
2023-24: 47/40/76
2024-25: 41/31/88

And even in his breakout 23-24 year, he fell on his face in the Playoffs. 7 Games: 40/29/77

[Wolveswin]

Honestly if Minnesota does a trade this year - it's involving Randle. I feel like once Naz signed his extension he became the PF in waiting. I do feel like Randle will be gone by the start of the 26-27 season. TC isn't sending him to a dumpster fire. He will do right by Julius.

This.

Randle is better than Reid. But in a salary cap league with limited assets to improve the roster - Randle fits the bill as trade bait.

Wolves need to keep an eye on PGs from teams that could change course and decide to tank.

Hornets: Ball
Grizzlies: Morant (not in Wolves price point and not sure a fit in MN but could be part of bigger deal)
Bulls: Giddey
Pacers: Nembhard (doubt they tank or even consider trading him…but monitor)
Spurs: Fox
76ers: Maxey/McCain (only have a top 3 protection on own pick but guard deep team could look for a change up)
Magic: Suggs (I still like him most for the price Wolves actually have to pay - he isn’t a true PG (which Wolves don’t ‘need’) but love his D and shooting if he can keep that improving)

Wolves need a team desiring Randle. Take those assets and send to team with a PG upgrade. Reid backfills some of Randle - and hope is a more complete roster is a better roster.

Putting aside the personal stuff, Giddey is a bad fit. The same thing that drove him out of OKC will drive him out of any contender. In this league if you cannot hit a 3 you better be a big or the only non shooter. Rudy and Joan are the future of the C position in Minnesota and neither can hit a 3. Suggs inconsistency on offense creates the same problem. Fox is overpaid relative to what he offers you. Lamelo is interesting if he can stay healthy, but I doubt we get him. Coby White or DJM are the only impact players in our price range. Everyone else is a patch with the hope that we get lucky either with a draft pick or internal development of Dilly.

I think you are dismissing too many options based on their current situation. Wolves coaches and brass need to decide what would player ______ bring to ‘our’ roster. How do they fit our system, fill our needs, supplement our star (Edwards), and other variables that no doubt are unique to said evaluation.

Also, even with the players you listed, Wolves (and fans) need to get comfortable with fact that in their price point - no such thing as a perfect PG upgrade. Wolves hope this imperfect PG available from another teams’s roster, that when he becomes a Wolf, becomes more perfect to them. But every player on their shopping list will have defects.

[Klomp]

Magic: Suggs (I still like him most for the price Wolves actually have to pay - he isn’t a true PG (which Wolves don’t ‘need’) but love his D and shooting if he can keep that improving)

I still think 2023-24 was a massive outlier as he regressed to the mean last year.

2021-22: 36/21/78
2022-23: 42/33/72
2023-24: 47/40/76
2024-25: 41/31/88

And even in his breakout 23-24 year, he fell on his face in the Playoffs. 7 Games: 40/29/77

Patrick Beverley was 40/34/72 in Minnesota. Sign me up for a PatBev-like impact! It's not just about offense for Suggs, as it is for most of those others.

[Wolveswin]

Magic: Suggs (I still like him most for the price Wolves actually have to pay - he isn’t a true PG (which Wolves don’t ‘need’) but love his D and shooting if he can keep that improving)

I still think 2023-24 was a massive outlier as he regressed to the mean last year.

2021-22: 36/21/78
2022-23: 42/33/72
2023-24: 47/40/76
2024-25: 41/31/88

And even in his breakout 23-24 year, he fell on his face in the Playoffs. 7 Games: 40/29/77

Patrick Beverley was 40/34/72 in Minnesota. Sign me up for a PatBev-like impact! It's not just about offense for Suggs, as it is for most of those others.

I agree. If Suggs and McDaniels could provide consistent shooting improvement from their young age into their prime, Edwards would be surrounded by perfect fitting roster components. A roster built to best OKC (which where Wolves sit - should be their only focus….how to push past WCF ceiling.)