Butler has requested a trade, the saga continues

[Worm Guts]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Everybody here knows those players arent moving the damn needle for the future of the Wolves. Theyre nice to "have" on a message board, but in the grand scheme...theyre likely to end up being nothings in the NBA world. We took back "young nice" talent after the KG trade with Gomes, Gerald Green, Big Al and Sebastian Telfair. probably more promising young talent than that....and it netted us NBA purgatory for 5 years until all were off the team and moved on.


Fact is I think the best play here is to call Jimmys bluff. with his bird rights, he knows we're the best team he can end his career with AND make the most money. Outside of forming a super team on some random team(likely wont happen), Jimmy aint accomplishing s*it in Miami, LA-C, Brooklyn wherever.

And the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy and his drama than we are with the Miami package...this year,and the next handful of years.

You are aware of the Butler-Towns beef? Did you see the stat about last whole season assist from jimmy to KAT?

Given his recent extension is KAT call if he wants keep Jimmy around or bolt. Thibs couldn't hold Jimmy accountable so I'm expecting one of them to bolt. Just hope it be Jimmy and Thibs.

Given KAT's extension, I think he has less leverage. He can't threaten leave. I don't know that I think it's smart to keep Jimmy around, but I don't think it's KAT's call.

[shrink]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP

I think if this had been offered weeks ago without Riley forcing an injured, fat Walters down Thib’s throat as a salary dump, MIA would have started the season with Jimmy Butler. Richardson, FRP and either Olynyk or Winslow seemed to be where the valuation was. I personally wouldn’t have liked it, but if the Waiters deal was close before he failed his medical records, swapping him with a neutral value player would have been enough. Heck, it would be done if MIA had thrown in a pick, even WITH Waiters.

At this point, I think both sides have retrenched. MIA likes the way Richardson has started the season, and Riley sounds frustrated he didn’t get to fleece the Wolves big enough. The ultra-competitive Thibs probably has a bad taste in his mouth for MIA after being so close to accepting the Waiters spin.

In the end, I would prefer the HOU offer. Richardson, Olynyk and Winslow can become good #3 players with development. Maybe Richardson is already there. But #3 players don’t affect franchises, like a Jimmy Butler can. I understand MIN isn’t getting full value, but the picks give MIN the chance at a better player. I suspect Morey gets his trade eventually, with reduced picks, and a Gordon for Taj swap in.

[Indomitable]

Jimmy with another comment about Rose's peformance.

Well actually it's a comment about himself of course.

Jimmy only loves jimmy. He is interested in the 5 year deal. If you guys offer it after the season he would sign it in a minute.

[TruthSerum]

Jimmy with another comment about Rose's peformance.

Well actually it's a comment about himself of course.

Jimmy only loves jimmy. He is interested in the 5 year deal. If you guys offer it after the season he would sign it in a minute.

I also believe this to be true. 100%

[AirP.]

Jimmy only loves jimmy. He is interested in the 5 year deal. If you guys offer it after the season he would sign it in a minute.

I also believe this to be true. 100%

Which Thibs probably believes to be true which is why he doesn't want to trade him(nor why he didn't completely tear down the team this offseason to restructure his contract). If this is true, Minnesota could resign him and still trade Butler next year with 4 1/2 more years left on his contract(1/2 a year after extending) which would net Minnesota way more in quality of assets then trading him as a possible rental this season.

Glenn Taylor did mention the option of a 190 dollar contract but did mention needing to make changes if that were to happen, so it does sound like that option is on the table(maybe a calculated interview on Taylor's part to say it's an actual option for Butler's camp). Next offseason, Gibson is off the books(only a 2 year signing), Dieng's contract will be 1 year shorter than it was this year(less expensive to move), Teague could be moved or renegotiated to a lower price, got an extra draft pick for a low price rotation player in the near future. It's almost like 2019 was set up to give Butler the max while having 2 max contracts already on the roster without going into the tax. Then again I do believe Patton was a big part of that plan for being one of the big men in the rotation, hopefully he can become healthy and become a long term player for this team.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I havent commented on what the Wolves should take from the Heat. But if I was the Wolves you have to really consider the Heat offer. 3 good YOUNG role players for 19 mill. They are not gonna find that rate on the free agent market next summer for 19 mill. And the Wolves will have only 9 mill of capspace to get FA if they let Jimmy walk. Richardson, Waiters or Olynyk or Winslow and FRP. The team has gotten deeper without making their cap bigger. The Wolves will not be getting old players who will be out of the league in a few years.

PG: Teague
SG: Richardson
SF: Wiggins
PF: Olynyk
Cc: Towns

Bench: 2 first rounders, Dieng, Bates-Diop, Okogie

That's a good YOUNG ten man rotation that will allow Wiggins and Towns to have the ball going into next yr. Improved shooting, passing, well coached and knows how to play their roles. And the Wolves do not have to go into the luxury tax to fill up their roster.

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Everybody here knows those players arent moving the damn needle for the future of the Wolves. Theyre nice to "have" on a message board, but in the grand scheme...theyre likely to end up being nothings in the NBA world. We took back "young nice" talent after the KG trade with Gomes, Gerald Green, Big Al and Sebastian Telfair. probably more promising young talent than that....and it netted us NBA purgatory for 5 years until all were off the team and moved on.


Fact is I think the best play here is to call Jimmys bluff. with his bird rights, he knows we're the best team he can end his career with AND make the most money. Outside of forming a super team on some random team(likely wont happen), Jimmy aint accomplishing s*it inMiami, LA-C, Brooklyn wherever.

And the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy and his drama than we are with the Miami package...this year,and the next handful of years.

You dont see LAC as a real threat to sign Jimmy? Why not? They have space, a good coach, what looks like a solid team(without Jimmy), engaged owner, Jerry West, one of the largest markets, weather, and women.

I mean go to a team thatll be better than his current team

[wesleyt95]

Jimmy with another comment about Rose's peformance.

Well actually it's a comment about himself of course.

Jimmy only loves jimmy. He is interested in the 5 year deal. If you guys offer it after the season he would sign it in a minute.

.500 with or without him, Jimmy didn't expect Okogie to be this good this fast; let his a$$ walk and sign a PF

[red96]

Everybody here knows those players arent moving the damn needle for the future of the Wolves. Theyre nice to "have" on a message board, but in the grand scheme...theyre likely to end up being nothings in the NBA world. We took back "young nice" talent after the KG trade with Gomes, Gerald Green, Big Al and Sebastian Telfair. probably more promising young talent than that....and it netted us NBA purgatory for 5 years until all were off the team and moved on.


Fact is I think the best play here is to call Jimmys bluff. with his bird rights, he knows we're the best team he can end his career with AND make the most money. Outside of forming a super team on some random team(likely wont happen), Jimmy aint accomplishing s*it inMiami, LA-C, Brooklyn wherever.

And the Wolves are a much better team with Jimmy and his drama than we are with the Miami package...this year,and the next handful of years.

You dont see LAC as a real threat to sign Jimmy? Why not? They have space, a good coach, what looks like a solid team(without Jimmy), engaged owner, Jerry West, one of the largest markets, weather, and women.

I mean go to a team thatll be better than his current team

Once again, the Clippers. Last season they were way more competitive then they should've been considering all the transitions and injuries they went through. They are looking pretty decent this year as well(with same record as the Wolves). Last seasons 3-9 seeds were pretty much interchangeable. No disrespect, but the Clippers weren't/aren't much worse, if at all, than a Wolves team without Butler. A bunch of teams had the 3rd seed last year, and almost every team seeded 1-10 had major injuries.

[mplsfonz23]

In the end, I would prefer the HOU offer. Richardson, Olynyk and Winslow can become good #3 players with development. Maybe Richardson is already there. But #3 players don’t affect franchises, like a Jimmy Butler can. I understand MIN isn’t getting full value, but the picks give MIN the chance at a better player. I suspect Morey gets his trade eventually, with reduced picks, and a Gordon for Taj swap in.

I agree both sides have become entrenched. But I would rather the wolves take the supposed Miami offer, because it "appears" they would be trying to stay competitive. The Houston offer wastes three years of Towns in order to "hope" a draft pick comes along....In the mid to late 20's. And 2023 is too long for me to wait.

[AirP.]

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[m2002brian]

In the end, I would prefer the HOU offer. Richardson, Olynyk and Winslow can become good #3 players with development. Maybe Richardson is already there. But #3 players don’t affect franchises, like a Jimmy Butler can. I understand MIN isn’t getting full value, but the picks give MIN the chance at a better player. I suspect Morey gets his trade eventually, with reduced picks, and a Gordon for Taj swap in.

I agree both sides have become entrenched. But I would rather the wolves take the supposed Miami offer, because it "appears" they would be trying to stay competitive. The Houston offer wastes three years of Towns in order to "hope" a draft pick comes along....In the mid to late 20's. And 2023 is too long for me to wait.

This only assumes we keep the picks.
Draft picks are like cash. You stock em and spend em, but you don't have to use them in the draft per say.

[AirP.]

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[mplsfonz23]

In the end, I would prefer the HOU offer. Richardson, Olynyk and Winslow can become good #3 players with development. Maybe Richardson is already there. But #3 players don’t affect franchises, like a Jimmy Butler can. I understand MIN isn’t getting full value, but the picks give MIN the chance at a better player. I suspect Morey gets his trade eventually, with reduced picks, and a Gordon for Taj swap in.

I agree both sides have become entrenched. But I would rather the wolves take the supposed Miami offer, because it "appears" they would be trying to stay competitive. The Houston offer wastes three years of Towns in order to "hope" a draft pick comes along....In the mid to late 20's. And 2023 is too long for me to wait.

This only assumes we keep the picks.
Draft picks are like cash. You stock em and spend em, but you don't have to use them in the draft per say.

Yeah, when has that ever worked for us?

[m2002brian]

I agree both sides have become entrenched. But I would rather the wolves take the supposed Miami offer, because it "appears" they would be trying to stay competitive. The Houston offer wastes three years of Towns in order to "hope" a draft pick comes along....In the mid to late 20's. And 2023 is too long for me to wait.

This only assumes we keep the picks.
Draft picks are like cash. You stock em and spend em, but you don't have to use them in the draft per say.

Yeah, when has that ever worked for us?

Never with that attitude.

Same thing was said about getting the #1 pick.
Gotta have faith, and be positive.

This fan base is so cynical. Which is not the same as “realistic”.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

You dont see LAC as a real threat to sign Jimmy? Why not? They have space, a good coach, what looks like a solid team(without Jimmy), engaged owner, Jerry West, one of the largest markets, weather, and women.

I mean go to a team thatll be better than his current team

Once again, the Clippers. Last season they were way more competitive then they should've been considering all the transitions and injuries they went through. They are looking pretty decent this year as well(with same record as the Wolves). Last seasons 3-9 seeds were pretty much interchangeable. No disrespect, but the Clippers weren't/aren't much worse, if at all, than a Wolves team without Butler. A bunch of teams had the 3rd seed last year, and almost every team seeded 1-10 had major injuries.

The wolves were a clear 3rd seed before jimmy went out the last 20 games. Were talking 54-55 wins.

[Truebiscuit]

You are aware of the Butler-Towns beef? Did you see the stat about last whole season assist from jimmy to KAT?

Bulls fan here, watching this from afar... what beef?

[red96]

I mean go to a team thatll be better than his current team

Once again, the Clippers. Last season they were way more competitive then they should've been considering all the transitions and injuries they went through. They are looking pretty decent this year as well(with same record as the Wolves). Last seasons 3-9 seeds were pretty much interchangeable. No disrespect, but the Clippers weren't/aren't much worse, if at all, than a Wolves team without Butler. A bunch of teams had the 3rd seed last year, and almost every team seeded 1-10 had major injuries.

The wolves were a clear 3rd seed before jimmy went out the last 20 games. Were talking 54-55 wins.

Hey man, Im not trying to crap on the Wolves, they were a good team, I think they still are. But the Wovles werent head and shoulders over the competition, 4th seed and under. They were close to the pack like every other team that was the 3rd seed before, and after they were. Teams had all types of injuries throughout the season. Gobert, Milsap,CP3, Curry, Kawhi, Cousins, Gasol, M. Conely, the Clippers entire roster, ect. all missed major time, costing there teams wins last season. As fans, we are all a bit cheated when guys get hurt, but Butler's missed time is no more special then those other star's injuries. Who knows what the seedings would've been in an injury-free league, to bad it doesn't exist.
Rockets 2008-09, 2017-18 seasons.

Good luck on the Wolves season though, with whatever path they choose to go.

[wesleyt95]

Once again, the Clippers. Last season they were way more competitive then they should've been considering all the transitions and injuries they went through. They are looking pretty decent this year as well(with same record as the Wolves). Last seasons 3-9 seeds were pretty much interchangeable. No disrespect, but the Clippers weren't/aren't much worse, if at all, than a Wolves team without Butler. A bunch of teams had the 3rd seed last year, and almost every team seeded 1-10 had major injuries.

The wolves were a clear 3rd seed before jimmy went out the last 20 games. Were talking 54-55 wins.

Hey man, Im not trying to crap on the Wolves, they were a good team, I think they still are. But the Wovles werent head and shoulders over the competition, 4th seed and under. They were close to the pack like every other team that was the 3rd seed before, and after they were. Teams had all types of injuries throughout the season. Gobert, Milsap,CP3, Curry, Kawhi, Cousins, Gasol, M. Conely, the Clippers entire roster, ect. all missed major time, costing there teams wins last season. As fans, we are all a bit cheated when guys get hurt, but Butler's missed time is no more special then those other star's injuries. Who knows what the seedings would've been in an injury-free league, to bad it doesn't exist.
Rockets 2008-09, 2017-18 seasons.

Good luck on the Wolves season though, with whatever path they choose to go.

When Butler was healthy there was a clear growing gap between them and the 4th seed last year.

[Minnesotadrake]

There's been friction since last year and this was obviously evident since KAT didn't sign his big deal until the trade request came through. There's also rumors that Butler slept or pursued Kat's girlfriend. Also calling someone soft and being a cancer in the locker room doesnt help your relationship...

You are aware of the Butler-Towns beef? Did you see the stat about last whole season assist from jimmy to KAT?

Bulls fan here, watching this from afar... what beef?

[red96]

The wolves were a clear 3rd seed before jimmy went out the last 20 games. Were talking 54-55 wins.

Hey man, Im not trying to crap on the Wolves, they were a good team, I think they still are. But the Wovles werent head and shoulders over the competition, 4th seed and under. They were close to the pack like every other team that was the 3rd seed before, and after they were. Teams had all types of injuries throughout the season. Gobert, Milsap,CP3, Curry, Kawhi, Cousins, Gasol, M. Conely, the Clippers entire roster, ect. all missed major time, costing there teams wins last season. As fans, we are all a bit cheated when guys get hurt, but Butler's missed time is no more special then those other star's injuries. Who knows what the seedings would've been in an injury-free league, to bad it doesn't exist.
Rockets 2008-09, 2017-18 seasons.

Good luck on the Wolves season though, with whatever path they choose to go.

When Butler was healthy there was a clear growing gap between them and the 4th seed last year.

And then the Wolves got hit by the bug that hit others earlier in the season, and kind of evened things out a bit in a messed up way. The Clippers, Spurs, and Grizzlies had it all year, not justafter late Feburary. Last season was horrible in that way, and thats without themajor injuries sustained in the east.