Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Slim Tubby]

I think a trade of

Russell, Layman
for
Randle, Ntikilina

works really well

and you have 35 M in expirings for next year with randle and Rubio

If there is a scenario for a Russell-Randle trade available, the Wolves need to do it now just to get out from under Dlo’s longer contract. With that said, you have to like what we’ve seen lately from Vandy and Mac Daddy at PF.


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[shrink]

The Sacramento Kings have benched Nemanja Bjelica as they look to build around De'Aaron Fox, sources told Jason Anderson of The Sacramento Bee.

Bjelica has not played in the last six games after discussions surrounding his playing time.

The team has cited personal issues for his absence, though sources around Bjelica say he has no issues.

The Kings explored trading Bjelica around the draft, looking to add players who fit Fox's timeline.

The Sacramento Bee adds that the team is likely to continue to explore trades for Bjelica.

Any interest in bringing Belly-Pizza back to MN?

After February 21st, can trade Juancho & Layman for him.

Belly loves Minnesota and Rubio. He lived here in the offseason and in Rubio’s house in Uptown.

Wow - great inside info there!

I’d like Bjelica back. At 32, he can’t run like the team envisions, but he is bigger and can shoot the three. He also knows KAT too, so maybe that helps him get up to speed faster.

Bjelica is on a $7.15 expiring. I’d be happy to get off of Juancho’s deal in a trade. I should also mention that this is the kind of news you hear sometimes before a player is bought out. I believe we did not use our MLE yet, so we could sign him, and if we need to get back under the lux, we could worry about that closer to the trade deadline. As a free agent, Bjelica obviously gets to choose where he wants to go, and it’s nice that MIN might actually be a preferred destination for once.

[Merc_Porto]

Blake Griffin or Otto Porter

For

Dlo

I would take those guys, especially Otto and run. Getting out of that massive contract would be huge.

[Note30]

wtf. I thought Reddick retired when I was born. And why tf are we stuck with Culver and Edwards? So annoyed with this lately in posts. I don't feel like the team should be carrying all these guys for 4 years to see if they ever realize full potential before trading them. Can't carry 5-6 projects every year unless they are in the Gleague developing. The team just can't support all their minutes.

JJ Reddick - He's expiring.

We're stuck with them because we drafted them. Edwards hasn't even had 20 games yet before you go calling him a bust. Are you insane, what do you mean "STUCK" - we just drafted him. Culver has had one year and hasn't even played 82 games.

They are literally our best prospects...

I'll stop you there because in my opinion they are not. McDaniels has already shown to be and it didn't take long to do it. This example (25th pick) should show you how stuck on former draft slots you are. I don't frankly care if if they dust the entire roster tomorrow and start from scratch. They are not stuck with anything beyond long term large contracts that take work to move. Overdrafting players or finding out they aren't ready is easily fixed by a few choices. That's what we have the Gleague for, small bench roles for, and or trade them for peanuts. Don't care. Move on. Destroying the value of everyone else on your team just to attempt to babysit longterm prospects at top minutes is the way of the dying franchise known as the Timberwolves. Keep doing that year after year, pick after pick, see how that ever changes.

He's averaging less than 5 pts a game on sub 40% shooting. Thats not better than Culver or Edwards. What are you actually talking about.

We don't have vets and we aren't committing to anything. There is no identity to this roster construction.

You don't give up on players early on or otherwise you will never let anyone develop. Kobe averaged less than 10 pts his first year, Jimmy Butler averaged less than 3, Giannis less than 7. All of those on horrific percentages.

Whether this is the best environment to develop players is a different story.

[scottyg]

Any interest in a trade with the bulls ? Thad Young for Ricky Rubio ?

[Jedzz]

He's averaging less than 5 pts a game on sub 40% shooting. Thats not better than Culver or Edwards. What are you actually talking about.

I see you as a clueless person talking about players like this. That's what I'm talking about and this is yet another example.
'
Averaging? Will you shut up for a second and think before you type such bs?

He has three games of at least 20 minutes. If you want to have a real discussion those are the games you should focus on. This recent win wasn't his best production to date and it was over 20 minutes. So if you want to talk about why that was, I'm in. The two previous over-20 min games were outstanding for his role. None of our SF/PFs have a huge scoring role here right now. So bringing up their scoring average in that sense is also just clueless talk.

You want to talk averages? he's averaging 40% from 3pt shots (8-20). It's meaningless to disuss his season averages yet but you won't be able to find Culver/Edwards with an average from 3 anywhere near that in season averages. You also won't easily find someone capable of hitting shots like that while playing cold off the bench and without many shot attempts. Or adding the blocks he has. The range of skills this kid is offering is amazing. He's got a little something in him that neither of those players have. But I don't expect you to take notice until long after he's been given many chances to prove it with starter minutes.

[Jedzz]

Any interest in a trade with the bulls ? Thad Young for Ricky Rubio ?

Sure, throw in a future Frp and we'll throw back a Srp.

[packforfreedom]

Any interest in a trade with the bulls ? Thad Young for Ricky Rubio ?

[Note30]

He's averaging less than 5 pts a game on sub 40% shooting. Thats not better than Culver or Edwards. What are you actually talking about.

I see you as a clueless person talking about players like this. That's what I'm talking about and this is yet another example.
'
Averaging? Will you shut up for a second and think before you type such bs?

He has three games of at least 20 minutes. If you want to have a real discussion those are the games you should focus on. This recent win wasn't his best production to date and it was over 20 minutes. So if you want to talk about why that was, I'm in. The two previous over-20 min games were outstanding for his role. None of our SF/PFs have a huge scoring role here right now. So bringing up their scoring average in that sense is also just clueless talk.

You want to talk averages? he's averaging 40% from 3pt shots (8-20). It's meaningless to disuss his season averages yet but you won't be able to find Culver/Edwards with an average from 3 anywhere near that in season averages. You also won't easily find someone capable of hitting shots like that while playing cold off the bench and without many shot attempts. Or adding the blocks he has. The range of skills this kid is offering is amazing. He's got a little something in him that neither of those players have. But I don't expect you to take notice until long after he's been given many chances to prove it with starter minutes.

Yeah because a 3 game sample size dictates a good vs bad player.

[Jedzz]

He's averaging less than 5 pts a game on sub 40% shooting. Thats not better than Culver or Edwards. What are you actually talking about.

I see you as a clueless person talking about players like this. That's what I'm talking about and this is yet another example.
'
Averaging? Will you shut up for a second and think before you type such bs?

He has three games of at least 20 minutes. If you want to have a real discussion those are the games you should focus on. This recent win wasn't his best production to date and it was over 20 minutes. So if you want to talk about why that was, I'm in. The two previous over-20 min games were outstanding for his role. None of our SF/PFs have a huge scoring role here right now. So bringing up their scoring average in that sense is also just clueless talk.

You want to talk averages? he's averaging 40% from 3pt shots (8-20). It's meaningless to disuss his season averages yet but you won't be able to find Culver/Edwards with an average from 3 anywhere near that in season averages. You also won't easily find someone capable of hitting shots like that while playing cold off the bench and without many shot attempts. Or adding the blocks he has. The range of skills this kid is offering is amazing. He's got a little something in him that neither of those players have. But I don't expect you to take notice until long after he's been given many chances to prove it with starter minutes.

Yeah because a 3 game sample size dictates a good vs bad player.

and a 15 game sample size dictates a player's average. The three games are the only games with enough minutes to start judging his play at all.

I suppose you didn't believe my posts on JMac this offseason when I suggested everyone look at how crazy his numbers are when getting 22 and up minutes. That team didn't need another PG and he could handle the backup duties himself. For most players that's really where you are going to start seeing if they can hack it at this level or not. Everything below 20 can be so misleading in either direction.

[Note30]

I see you as a clueless person talking about players like this. That's what I'm talking about and this is yet another example.
'
Averaging? Will you shut up for a second and think before you type such bs?

He has three games of at least 20 minutes. If you want to have a real discussion those are the games you should focus on. This recent win wasn't his best production to date and it was over 20 minutes. So if you want to talk about why that was, I'm in. The two previous over-20 min games were outstanding for his role. None of our SF/PFs have a huge scoring role here right now. So bringing up their scoring average in that sense is also just clueless talk.

You want to talk averages? he's averaging 40% from 3pt shots (8-20). It's meaningless to disuss his season averages yet but you won't be able to find Culver/Edwards with an average from 3 anywhere near that in season averages. You also won't easily find someone capable of hitting shots like that while playing cold off the bench and without many shot attempts. Or adding the blocks he has. The range of skills this kid is offering is amazing. He's got a little something in him that neither of those players have. But I don't expect you to take notice until long after he's been given many chances to prove it with starter minutes.

Yeah because a 3 game sample size dictates a good vs bad player.

and a 15 game sample size dictates a player's average. The three games are the only games with enough minutes to start judging his play at all.

I suppose you didn't believe my posts on JMac this offseason when I suggested everyone look at how crazy his numbers are when getting 22 and up minutes. That team didn't need another PG and he could handle the backup duties himself. For most players that's really where you are going to start seeing if they can hack it at this level or not. Everything below 20 can be so misleading in either direction.

It doesn't I never said it did. I have no problem with developing McDaniels, I also recognize there's a reason why Edwards went #1 overall and McDaniels didn't, They don't even really play the same position. But you develop the assets you bet highest on first.

JMac? He's okay? I don't have any problem with him. I don't know why it matters. I think a Rubio / JMac PG combo could work great.

[Jedzz]

It doesn't I never said it did. I have no problem with developing McDaniels, I also recognize there's a reason why Edwards went #1 overall and McDaniels didn't, They don't even really play the same position. But you develop the assets you bet highest on first.

No. No you don't. You develop them how they need to be developed individually.

[Note30]

It doesn't I never said it did. I have no problem with developing McDaniels, I also recognize there's a reason why Edwards went #1 overall and McDaniels didn't, They don't even really play the same position. But you develop the assets you bet highest on first.

No. No you don't. You develop them how they need to be developed individually.

If you invest in 3 businesses, and put 70 percent of your money into 1 business you care more about how that one business turns out as opposed to the two other biz you put 15 percent of your money into.

[Jedzz]

It doesn't I never said it did. I have no problem with developing McDaniels, I also recognize there's a reason why Edwards went #1 overall and McDaniels didn't, They don't even really play the same position. But you develop the assets you bet highest on first.

No. No you don't. You develop them how they need to be developed individually.

If you invest in 3 businesses, and put 70 percent of your money into 1 business you care more about how that one business turns out as opposed to the two other biz you put 15 percent of your money into.

"care about"? ah no.

You've got this wrong in your head.

If a 48th pick is simply two times better than your 5th pick that year are you really going to play the 5th pick more? No, you shouldn't. You should develop them both at their individual level and hope the borked top choice comes around in time to assume the value he was chosen at.

[Domejandro]

I think a potential avenue could be something around Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. for D'Angelo Russell. Could probably grease a pick or two out of the deal.

[Jedzz]

I think a potential avenue could be something around Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. for D'Angelo Russell. Could probably grease a pick or two out of the deal.

Both those players stink as topping out as average if they could even get there. Why would you do this? This smells like chasing old draft names someone once fell in love with predraft. You would be sending out 1 PG and bringing 2 PGs back to make our logjam even worse.

Both these players' numbers show getting worse the more 3pt shots they take.
Both these players are low assisting smaller point guards. Ntilikina has that extreme wingspan that originally got everyone hard over him. But he's been nothing.

If a point guard only averages 3 to 4 assists per game, he better be a good scoring asset as well. Last year numbers:


Ntilikina 3.0 APG(5.2 per36) .452 TS
Last season had over 26 games over 20 mins (20-38. amd 10 games over 30), only once reached 20 pts. (20pt High)

Dennis Smith Jr. 2.9 APG(6.6 per36) .474 TS
Last season had over 9 games over 20 mins (20-38. amd 1 game over 30), never reached 20 pts.

JMac 4.3 APG(7.6 per36) .572 TS
Last season had 11 games over 20 mins(20-36 and 3 games over 30), once reached over 20 pts.(24pt High)

D' Russell 6.3 APG(7.1 per36) .527 TS
Last season had 45 games over 20 mins(20-40 and 35 games over 30), 28 games reached over 20 pts.(52pt High)

R Rubio 8.8 APG(10.2 per36) .514 TS
Last season had 63 games over 20 mins(20-40 and 39 games over 30), 14 games reached over 20 pts.(25pt High)



Why on earth would we take those two back?

[Merc_Porto]

Why on earth would we take those two back?

Forget those two. You are getting rid of Dlo contract here and ride with Rubio and Jmac. Even if you don't like it. That's the purpose...

We are not getting valuable assets back by trading Dlo. Maybe Blake Griffin, i can see that...

[Jedzz]

Why on earth would we take those two back?

Forget those two. You are getting rid of Dlo contract here and ride with Rubio and Jmac. Even if you don't like it. That's the purpose...

We are not getting valuable assets back by trading Dlo. Maybe Blake Griffin, i can see that...

But you are still recreating the logjam problem as you know full well the Coaches will play one of or both Ntilikina and Dennis Jones Jr. It will once again create the problem of displacing the PGs you want playing in minutes and create more opportunities for these coaches to run with dual PGs. Which is partly to blame for Dlo/Rubio's issue this season already when you take our PGs and combine them with Culver/Edwards running point even when JMac isn't playing.

[VCfor3]

John Collins underutilized in Atlanta.. thoughts?

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I think your team's defense would be atrocious and you'd lack the assets to really improve it moving forward unless you think Towns can anchor the defense (honest question since you'd know much better than I).


I'm hoping we get to see a lot more Russell/Towns this year so that you guys are able to get an idea of how well they work together. So far Russell is looking rough, but I think he'd return an asset of some sort in a trade with the quality of that asset depending on the salary filler attached to it.

[Slim Tubby]

I think a potential avenue could be something around Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. for D'Angelo Russell. Could probably grease a pick or two out of the deal.

Both those players stink as topping out as average if they could even get there. Why would you do this? This smells like chasing old draft names someone once fell in love with predraft. You would be sending out 1 PG and bringing 2 PGs back to make our logjam even worse.

Both these players' numbers show getting worse the more 3pt shots they take.
Both these players are low assisting smaller point guards. Ntilikina has that extreme wingspan that originally got everyone hard over him. But he's been nothing.

If a point guard only averages 3 to 4 assists per game, he better be a good scoring asset as well. Last year numbers:


Ntilikina 3.0 APG(5.2 per36) .452 TS
Last season had over 26 games over 20 mins (20-38. amd 10 games over 30), only once reached 20 pts. (20pt High)

Dennis Smith Jr. 2.9 APG(6.6 per36) .474 TS
Last season had over 9 games over 20 mins (20-38. amd 1 game over 30), never reached 20 pts.

JMac 4.3 APG(7.6 per36) .572 TS
Last season had 11 games over 20 mins(20-36 and 3 games over 30), once reached over 20 pts.(24pt High)

D' Russell 6.3 APG(7.1 per36) .527 TS
Last season had 45 games over 20 mins(20-40 and 35 games over 30), 28 games reached over 20 pts.(52pt High)

R Rubio 8.8 APG(10.2 per36) .514 TS
Last season had 63 games over 20 mins(20-40 and 39 games over 30), 14 games reached over 20 pts.(25pt High)



Why on earth would we take those two back?

It has nothing to do with the NYK players...the value is dumping Russell’s contract.


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