Trade Talk (Part Six)

[shrink]

Good feedback everyone!

All three CHI players are expiring, so they would give us flexibility the following year. None are great, and I think this makes all of them Plan B’s, as Rubio would be to CHI. Sato is a competent PG, and I would put him in the 31-45 range, as a better than average back up, but $10 mil is too much. However he is significantly cheaper than Rubio, so if Russell demands a lot of minutes, and we put the ball in his, KAT and Edwards hand, Sato’s cheaper salary is closer to the production we’d get out of the back up PG position. To be honest, I think that role would be small, and I would be fine with a cheap McLaughlin coming back. Thad had a pretty good year, but I’m not sure he’s young enough to handle the strain of starter minutes. If Rubio was traded, we might need a vet voice in the locker room. Anyone know the story about him being unhappy here? Finally, I think Markannen will get highly overpaid as a young player with upside from that desperate team, since so many free agents signed extensions last year, and several teams are stuck with cap space and no one to spend it on.

Yes, none of these packages is worth much, but the question is .. Is Rubio? $17.8 mil, and, overall, a pretty bad season. I think he starts in CHI (if they don’t get Lonzo, or Lowry, or someone else), but most teams won’t pay anywhere near that for a back up PG, in an NBA filled with them. I like Rubio, and I blame much of his early season problems on DLo, but still - he isn’t worth $17.8 mil to us on the floor with this roster. The key for us will be determining whether his off-court value, in leadership, self-sacrifice, and mostly, the development of Edwards, is worth keeping him (probably over Beasley). We might be able to squeeze a second rounder out of CHI, but it may involve taking back some even worse salary (like Aminu).

I appreciate all this feedback. Anyone else have thoughts?

[IceManBK1]

Randle stinking it up in the playoffs.. But would still take him in a sign and trade for Beasley and 2nd rder. He wouldn't be doubled or tripled in the paint with dlo, Edwards, McDaniels, Towns surrounding him.

[ChiefKeith91]

Randle stinking it up in the playoffs.. But would still take him in a sign and trade for Beasley and 2nd rder. He wouldn't be doubled or tripled in the paint with dlo, Edwards, McDaniels, Towns surrounding him.

Doubt they trade him if anything they bring in another player to help him

P.S- Unless John Collins has a bad 2nd round, the hawks will keep him


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[Neeva]

Harell and Clarke are getting DNP they may be available.

[Krapinsky]

I feel like this is a trade that makes sense on paper, but probably doesn't end up making any difference in the Win column at the end of the year. From a chemistry stand point, the team seems to love Naz. Not sure if I would pull the trigger. I think we just need a stop gap PF until McDaniels is ready. Ideally that is someone with a little more bulk than Boucher to give our front court a different look for a change.

Pass on Mcdaniels at PF long-term also.

Agreed.

I think he's potentially the long-term answer at SF.

I don't think he's skilled enough to be on the perimeter. Would rather have a ball handling or knock-down shooting SF, or both.

[Neeva]

Lakers will have to make moves. Would anyone do Beasley for Harrell, Horton Tucker and 22?
I think I would if Josh Giddey or Kai Jones are available at 22. Saves the wolves a little also.

[NebWolvesFan]

Lakers will have to make moves. Would anyone do Beasley for Harrell, Horton Tucker and 22?
I think I would if Josh Giddey or Kai Jones are available at 22. Saves the wolves a little also.

They aren't moving Tucker, but I wonder if a Kuz for Beas trade would work. They make roughly the same and fill a need on the other teams.

[Note30]

Why are you two talking about trading arguably the best contract we have for peanuts?

Harrell, Kuz, Tucker? Are you for real?

Those guys can't even crack the rotation with a depleted team. The Lakers are just scrubs with AD and LBJ carrying them. They'd have a worse record than us. And you want to trade the only reliable offense and decent contract we have? Is he a trash human? Yes. That doesn't mean we go handing him out for peanuts.

[Krapinsky]

Lakers will have to make moves. Would anyone do Beasley for Harrell, Horton Tucker and 22?
I think I would if Josh Giddey or Kai Jones are available at 22. Saves the wolves a little also.

They aren't moving Tucker, but I wonder if a Kuz for Beas trade would work. They make roughly the same and fill a need on the other teams.

Kuzma is a fine young player, but is sort of the opposite of what this team needs.

[Neeva]

Why are you two talking about trading arguably the best contract we have for peanuts?

Harrell, Kuz, Tucker? Are you for real?

Those guys can't even crack the rotation with a depleted team. The Lakers are just scrubs with AD and LBJ carrying them. They'd have a worse record than us. And you want to trade the only reliable offense and decent contract we have? Is he a trash human? Yes. That doesn't mean we go handing him out for peanuts.

Harrell is good offensively at least, he was 6th man of the year last season for a reason, he could have a similar role with wolves and he is an expiring anyway. Beasley I have a feeling wolves need to sell high soon..and that the return won’t be even as high as we all want .

I think in a bigger role Horton-Tucker can give the wolves a bit of what Beasley does at a fraction of the cost along with Nowell (whoever is hitting their shots, will play) I would mostly want the draft pick if Josh Giddey is available. Giddey with Ant, Bolmaro and Green or suggs would be so good. Too bad the lakers pick is 22 and not 16-18..

I do not want Kuzma though, he has a trash personality and is a negative asset on his next contract.

[shrink]

CHI GETS: Rubio
POR GETS: Sato
MIN GETS: Dennis Jones, Jr, + $8.2 TPE

Posters on a recent trade from the other two teams have generally been ok with this deal, but I think it’s light for CHI. All three players are overpaid. Rosas tried to sign DJJ last year, but he chose Portland, and it hasn’t worked out for him. He seems more like the small PF he was enamored with last year, but even as a SF/PF, I think he helps our defense, and maybe he could use a change of scenery. We can use the cap space to stay under the lux.

[Neeva]

Bulls will be desperate for a starting pg that does not suck I bet they do it.

[shrink]

Bulls will be desperate for a starting pg that does not suck I bet they do it.

Yes, and a POR poster loved the idea of getting Sato for DJJ, since he hasn’t done well there.

I used to favor bringing in Sato if we lost Rubio as a cheaper back up, but I think we could do okay with Bolmaro and McLaughlin.

[Baseline81]

CHI GETS: Rubio
POR GETS: Sato
MIN GETS: Dennis Jones, Jr, + $8.2 TPE

Posters on a recent trade from the other two teams have generally been ok with this deal, but I think it’s light for CHI. All three players are overpaid. Rosas tried to sign DJJ last year, but he chose Portland, and it hasn’t worked out for him. He seems more like the small PF he was enamored with last year, but even as a SF/PF, I think he helps our defense, and maybe he could use a change of scenery. We can use the cap space to stay under the lux.

Do you mean Derrick Jones Jr.?

[shrink]

CHI GETS: Rubio
POR GETS: Sato
MIN GETS: Dennis Jones, Jr, + $8.2 TPE

Posters on a recent trade from the other two teams have generally been ok with this deal, but I think it’s light for CHI. All three players are overpaid. Rosas tried to sign DJJ last year, but he chose Portland, and it hasn’t worked out for him. He seems more like the small PF he was enamored with last year, but even as a SF/PF, I think he helps our defense, and maybe he could use a change of scenery. We can use the cap space to stay under the lux.

Do you mean Derrick Jones Jr.?

LOL! I’m the worst.

[shrink]

I’ve been trying to keep a closer eye on the Rubio trade market, and I am becoming more and more encouraged. There are many teams out there that could use his passing and organize an offense, and we are seeing in the playoffs even more. CHI, NYK, IND all seem like decent targets off the top, but free agency could open many more. Will Lonzo Ball stay in NOP? Will the Lakers pay Schroeder anything he wants, to maintain salary? Is Gordon Dragic staying in MIA? What about Lowry? Heck, Chris Paul? The advantage Rubio provides is that he is a one-year deal that allows him to be caretaker. FA contracts much be three, and while years can be guaranteed, most decent free agents have the market pull to demand three years guaranteed, or at least a partial guarantee on the end.

[old school 34]

I’ve been trying to keep a closer eye on the Rubio trade market, and I am becoming more and more encouraged. There are many teams out there that could use his passing and organize an offense, and we are seeing in the playoffs even more. CHI, NYK, IND all seem like decent targets off the top, but free agency could open many more. Will Lonzo Ball stay in NOP? Will the Lakers pay Schroeder anything he wants, to maintain salary? Is Gordon Dragic staying in MIA? What about Lowry? Heck, Chris Paul? The advantage Rubio provides is that he is a one-year deal that allows him to be caretaker. FA contracts much be three, and while years can be guaranteed, most decent free agents have the market pull to demand three years guaranteed, or at least a partial guarantee on the end.

Yeah, it's all relative right...but there will be a market for Rubio. He won't return maybe a core piece, but definitely a better fitting rotation piece &/or potentially 2 within his salary slot? Whether it's two cheaper actual contracts or 1 & a TE that allows the ability to use mid-level, etc?

Chicago to me always seems like the most obvious fit....& while some of the trade options you threw out there aren't front page types...they would help us actually win more games & lead to other flexibility for other around the margins type of moves?

The team that I don't get...is everyone mentions IND as a fit? I don't get the match....Brogdon already there, they'll want the ball in LeVert's hands a fair amount & yeah, TJ is UFA....all reports sound like they just love him & definitely want him back & some behind the scenes conversations have even been rumored...not to mention Holiday still on rookie deal. And sure, they might want to blow it up....but you could find other expirings than Rubio, no---seems like fans just pining more for Turner than Rubio being a real fit?

The other way...you could add teams to the Rubio trade mix is teams like say Det...say their set to add J. Green via draft....now Rubio with known positive track record goes to mentor Green & Killian on expiring deal...sure they have the former SA backup there now (forget his name right now), but Rubio has such a good track record & those two rook G's would be Det's most important assets to ensure they develop correctly.

You'll need to be a little patient to let the market evolve some for Rubio, but it will crystallize & something will come of it for sure.

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[shangrila]

CHI GETS: Rubio
POR GETS: Sato
MIN GETS: Dennis Jones, Jr, + $8.2 TPE

Posters on a recent trade from the other two teams have generally been ok with this deal, but I think it’s light for CHI. All three players are overpaid. Rosas tried to sign DJJ last year, but he chose Portland, and it hasn’t worked out for him. He seems more like the small PF he was enamored with last year, but even as a SF/PF, I think he helps our defense, and maybe he could use a change of scenery. We can use the cap space to stay under the lux.

Eh.

He didn't manage to help Portland's defence much. And he just had a change of scenery, if he needs another one so quickly...that's concerning.

The more likely explanation is that he got overhyped in Miami and exposed when he left. He is essentially an athlete playing basketball without much in the way of ball skills offensively and more effort than skill defensively. With McDaniels' emergence I don't see the point. If we're going to get a new PF we either need someone better or beefier than Jaden, and preferably both. Getting a similar but worse player doesn't make sense.

[Mattya]

DJJr would be so good here. Two point of attack defenders who can also be weak side shot blockers. Meanwhile Jaden likes to space while DJJr likes to roll. Would prefer to keep Rubio.

[IceManBK1]

Wish we land top 3 pick.. Celtics might be trading Marcus Smart. Maybe they'll take Beasley plus top 10 protected 1st for Smart?