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Trade Talk (Part Four)

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1701 » by Wolveswin » Mon Oct 5, 2020 3:44 pm

Whole Truth wrote:Chicago trade - (Carter Jr, Porter, #4) for (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, #2).

Minnesota trade - (Culver, #1) for (Carter JR, Utah 2022, GS 2024)

Memphis trade - (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, Utah 2022, GS 2024) for (Porter, Culver, #4)

For Minnesota -

The Utah pick is only conveyed in 2021 if in the 8-14 range. In 2022 when Utah need to find solutions for Gobert & Ingles hitting free agency, the pick is top 6 protected. Top 3 in 2023.

The 2024 GS pick is top 4 protected, top 1 in 2025, unprotected 2026, when GS's core will be mid to late 30's & potentially looking to rebuild.

Financially, with picks being zero rated, Minnesota delay the cost of the #1 pick. Cut the 10m salary hit in this Covid market while netting a young big in Carter JF to play PF/C next to Kat & future multiple pick value.

For Bulls -

They give up a young big & an expiring Porter for the #2 pick (Wiseman or Ball) & 2 young wingmen under control in Anderson & Allen for some cheap wing depth.

For Memphis -

With their team scrapping the playoffs in the first year of their rebuild, They move up the value of their future picks for Culver & the #4 to add to the core sooner than later.

You must really, really like Carter Jr.? It could be argued he and Culver have similar value. So that makes it #1 overall for two probably late 1st round picks years removed.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1702 » by Whole Truth » Mon Oct 5, 2020 4:38 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:Chicago trade - (Carter Jr, Porter, #4) for (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, #2).

Minnesota trade - (Culver, #1) for (Carter JR, Utah 2022, GS 2024)

Memphis trade - (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, Utah 2022, GS 2024) for (Porter, Culver, #4)

For Minnesota -

The Utah pick is only conveyed in 2021 if in the 8-14 range. In 2022 when Utah need to find solutions for Gobert & Ingles hitting free agency, the pick is top 6 protected. Top 3 in 2023.

The 2024 GS pick is top 4 protected, top 1 in 2025, unprotected 2026, when GS's core will be mid to late 30's & potentially looking to rebuild.

Financially, with picks being zero rated, Minnesota delay the cost of the #1 pick. Cut the 10m salary hit in this Covid market while netting a young big in Carter JF to play PF/C next to Kat & future multiple pick value.

For Bulls -

They give up a young big & an expiring Porter for the #2 pick (Wiseman or Ball) & 2 young wingmen under control in Anderson & Allen for some cheap wing depth.

For Memphis -

With their team scrapping the playoffs in the first year of their rebuild, They move up the value of their future picks for Culver & the #4 to add to the core sooner than later.

You must really, really like Carter Jr.? It could be argued he and Culver have similar value. So that makes it #1 overall for two probably late 1st round picks years removed.


With Beasley & DLo, I have Carter JR addressing a need & as the better roster fit. For argument sake, lets say Culver negates Carters value in trade, despite having a poor rookie season.

Future picks always have risk of gaining or losing value. The value is in the unknown. Put a name on that #1 & see how quick it devalues. You claiming they will probably be late picks doesn't negate the potential they have to be equally good. As I stated, Memphis protected the Utah pick in 21 where it only conveys in the 8-14 range guaranteeing a lotto pick but if it doesn't convey, it has top 6 protection when Utah will need to find answers for Gobert & Ingles expiring in 2022. There's absolutely no guarantee that 2022 will be a late first. Same with GS core being 35+ in 2024 where the pick is top 4 protected to unprotected in 2026.

If you don't think those 2 picks potentially valuable, I can't argue with your perception of their situation, I disagree.

Trade the #1 down for Knicks 8th & their 2021. Only for Knicks to surprise in 2021 & make the playoffs. You would have thought the pick valuable based on your perception of their situation. It's not a guarantee it would hold the value you think it does. Far Weaker than Carter JR, Utah 8-14 protected lotto + GS 2024 top 4, when they're in a potential start of a rebuild.

The deal also has the financial benefit of helping Minnesota shed 10m off cap obligations in this Covid environment. Which is solid value in itself.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1703 » by KGdaBom » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:48 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Would Wolves fans be interested in trading #1 for #6 and a heavily protected 1st round pick (3yr lottery protection) ?

Not in any way shape or form. 6 and Collins for #1 and Johnson I would support.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1704 » by KGdaBom » Mon Oct 5, 2020 5:50 pm

Whole Truth wrote:Chicago trade - (Carter Jr, Porter, #4) for (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, #2).

Minnesota trade - (Culver, #1) for (Carter JR, Utah 2022, GS 2024)

Memphis trade - (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, Utah 2022, GS 2024) for (Porter, Culver, #4)

For Minnesota -

The Utah pick is only conveyed in 2021 if in the 8-14 range. In 2022 when Utah need to find solutions for Gobert & Ingles hitting free agency, the pick is top 6 protected. Top 3 in 2023.

The 2024 GS pick is top 4 protected, top 1 in 2025, unprotected 2026, when GS's core will be mid to late 30's & potentially looking to rebuild.

Financially, with picks being zero rated, Minnesota delay the cost of the #1 pick. Cut the 10m salary hit in this Covid market while netting a young big in Carter JF to play PF/C next to Kat & future multiple pick value.

For Bulls -

They give up a young big & an expiring Porter for the #2 pick (Wiseman or Ball) & 2 young wingmen under control in Anderson & Allen for some cheap wing depth.

For Memphis -

With their team scrapping the playoffs in the first year of their rebuild, They move up the value of their future picks for Culver & the #4 to add to the core sooner than later.

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1705 » by Mattya » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:16 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Would Wolves fans be interested in trading #1 for #6 and a heavily protected 1st round pick (3yr lottery protection) ?


Why would we with so little in return?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1706 » by Wolveswin » Mon Oct 5, 2020 6:39 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:Chicago trade - (Carter Jr, Porter, #4) for (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, #2).

Minnesota trade - (Culver, #1) for (Carter JR, Utah 2022, GS 2024)

Memphis trade - (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, Utah 2022, GS 2024) for (Porter, Culver, #4)

For Minnesota -

The Utah pick is only conveyed in 2021 if in the 8-14 range. In 2022 when Utah need to find solutions for Gobert & Ingles hitting free agency, the pick is top 6 protected. Top 3 in 2023.

The 2024 GS pick is top 4 protected, top 1 in 2025, unprotected 2026, when GS's core will be mid to late 30's & potentially looking to rebuild.

Financially, with picks being zero rated, Minnesota delay the cost of the #1 pick. Cut the 10m salary hit in this Covid market while netting a young big in Carter JF to play PF/C next to Kat & future multiple pick value.

For Bulls -

They give up a young big & an expiring Porter for the #2 pick (Wiseman or Ball) & 2 young wingmen under control in Anderson & Allen for some cheap wing depth.

For Memphis -

With their team scrapping the playoffs in the first year of their rebuild, They move up the value of their future picks for Culver & the #4 to add to the core sooner than later.

You must really, really like Carter Jr.? It could be argued he and Culver have similar value. So that makes it #1 overall for two probably late 1st round picks years removed.


With Beasley & DLo, I have Carter JR addressing a need & as the better roster fit. For argument sake, lets say Culver negates Carters value in trade, despite having a poor rookie season.

Future picks always have risk of gaining or losing value. The value is in the unknown. Put a name on that #1 & see how quick it devalues. You claiming they will probably be late picks doesn't negate the potential they have to be equally good. As I stated, Memphis protected the Utah pick in 21 where it only conveys in the 8-14 range guaranteeing a lotto pick but if it doesn't convey, it has top 6 protection when Utah will need to find answers for Gobert & Ingles expiring in 2022. There's absolutely no guarantee that 2022 will be a late first. Same with GS core being 35+ in 2024 where the pick is top 4 protected to unprotected in 2026.

If you don't think those 2 picks potentially valuable, I can't argue with your perception of their situation, I disagree.

Trade the #1 down for Knicks 8th & their 2021. Only for Knicks to surprise in 2021 & make the playoffs. You would have thought the pick valuable based on your perception of their situation. It's not a guarantee it would hold the value you think it does. Far Weaker than Carter JR, Utah 8-14 protected lotto + GS 2024 top 4, when they're in a potential start of a rebuild.

The deal also has the financial benefit of helping Minnesota shed 10m off cap obligations in this Covid environment. Which is solid value in itself.

I appreciate the effort. But this type of deal is a GM career ender.

If you took out Culver, the deal is still a no. Carter Jr. is not worth #1 and those 1st round picks don’t close the gap.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1707 » by Whole Truth » Mon Oct 5, 2020 10:11 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:You must really, really like Carter Jr.? It could be argued he and Culver have similar value. So that makes it #1 overall for two probably late 1st round picks years removed.


With Beasley & DLo, I have Carter JR addressing a need & as the better roster fit. For argument sake, lets say Culver negates Carters value in trade, despite having a poor rookie season.

Future picks always have risk of gaining or losing value. The value is in the unknown. Put a name on that #1 & see how quick it devalues. You claiming they will probably be late picks doesn't negate the potential they have to be equally good. As I stated, Memphis protected the Utah pick in 21 where it only conveys in the 8-14 range guaranteeing a lotto pick but if it doesn't convey, it has top 6 protection when Utah will need to find answers for Gobert & Ingles expiring in 2022. There's absolutely no guarantee that 2022 will be a late first. Same with GS core being 35+ in 2024 where the pick is top 4 protected to unprotected in 2026.

If you don't think those 2 picks potentially valuable, I can't argue with your perception of their situation, I disagree.

Trade the #1 down for Knicks 8th & their 2021. Only for Knicks to surprise in 2021 & make the playoffs. You would have thought the pick valuable based on your perception of their situation. It's not a guarantee it would hold the value you think it does. Far Weaker than Carter JR, Utah 8-14 protected lotto + GS 2024 top 4, when they're in a potential start of a rebuild.

The deal also has the financial benefit of helping Minnesota shed 10m off cap obligations in this Covid environment. Which is solid value in itself.

I appreciate the effort. But this type of deal is a GM career ender.

If you took out Culver, the deal is still a no. Carter Jr. is not worth #1 and those 1st round picks don’t close the gap.


Thanks for the response.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1708 » by Slim Tubby » Tue Oct 6, 2020 12:08 am

Whole Truth wrote:Chicago trade - (Carter Jr, Porter, #4) for (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, #2).

Minnesota trade - (Culver, #1) for (Carter JR, Utah 2022, GS 2024)

Memphis trade - (Dieng, Anderson, Allen, Utah 2022, GS 2024) for (Porter, Culver, #4)

For Minnesota -

The Utah pick is only conveyed in 2021 if in the 8-14 range. In 2022 when Utah need to find solutions for Gobert & Ingles hitting free agency, the pick is top 6 protected. Top 3 in 2023.

The 2024 GS pick is top 4 protected, top 1 in 2025, unprotected 2026, when GS's core will be mid to late 30's & potentially looking to rebuild.

Financially, with picks being zero rated, Minnesota delay the cost of the #1 pick. Cut the 10m salary hit in this Covid market while netting a young big in Carter JF to play PF/C next to Kat & future multiple pick value.

For Bulls -

They give up a young big & an expiring Porter for the #2 pick (Wiseman or Ball) & 2 young wingmen under control in Anderson & Allen for some cheap wing depth.

For Memphis -

With their team scrapping the playoffs in the first year of their rebuild, They move up the value of their future picks for Culver & the #4 to add to the core sooner than later.

Easily one of the worst trade offers I’ve seen in a while but the effort was there. I could barely justify trading Culver straight up for WCJ and this leaves us moving the 2020 #1 Overall Pick (and CHI keeps their #4) for 2 future mid to late FRP’s??? Holy nepotism, Batman.

Most CHI trade offers made by Bulls fans that I’ve seen always seem to include WCJ going out and there’s a reason for that. A poor, poor, poor man’s version of Marvin Bagley IMO.


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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1709 » by Neeva » Tue Oct 6, 2020 12:45 am

Players like wcj have low value in the league right now. It’s no surprise bulls fans want to dump him before they have to pay him a lot more or lose him for nothing.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1710 » by KGdaBom » Tue Oct 6, 2020 1:20 am

Neeva wrote:Players like wcj have low value in the league right now. It’s no surprise bulls fans want to dump him before they have to pay him a lot more or lose him for nothing.

Did WCJ regress this year? Last time I checked he was pretty good. Not good enough to drop from 1-4, but good enough I would take him. Always injured though.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1711 » by minimus » Tue Oct 6, 2020 9:34 am

Lets try to get the best defensive-minded prospects of 2020 draft.

#1, Culver, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for #8 + 2021 NYK (top3 protected)+ 2022 NYK (top5 unprotected)

Why for MIN: trade for two lottery future picks
Why for NYK: get Ball, speed up the development process by filling the roster with Culver, Nowell, Spellman

Then
#8, JJ for Gordon, #15

Draft Patrick Williams (#8) Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Williams/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1712 » by KGdaBom » Tue Oct 6, 2020 10:39 am

minimus wrote:Lets try to get the best defensive-minded prospects of 2020 draft.

#1, Culver, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for #8 + 2021 NYK (top3 protected)+ 2022 NYK (top5 unprotected)

Why for MIN: trade for two lottery future picks
Why for NYK: get Ball, speed up the development process by filling the roster with Culver, Nowell, Spellman

Then
#8, JJ for Gordon, #15

Draft Patrick Williams (#8) Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Williams/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

Remove the protections and I can support this trade. I personally can't support trading for protected picks. However, do the Knicks have a FRP other than their own in 21 or 22? If not they can't make this trade. Also you have us trading #8, but then using it. Also Tyler Bey is likely the best defensive prospect at pick 17.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1713 » by minimus » Tue Oct 6, 2020 11:10 am

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:Lets try to get the best defensive-minded prospects of 2020 draft.

#1, Culver, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for #8 + 2021 NYK (top3 protected)+ 2022 NYK (top5 unprotected)

Why for MIN: trade for two lottery future picks
Why for NYK: get Ball, speed up the development process by filling the roster with Culver, Nowell, Spellman

Then
#8, JJ for Gordon, #15

Draft Patrick Williams (#8) Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Williams/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

Remove the protections and I can support this trade. I personally can't support trading for protected picks. However, do the Knicks have a FRP other than their own in 21 or 22? If not they can't make this trade. Also you have us trading #8, but then using it. Also Tyler Bey is likely the best defensive prospect at pick 17.


I messed it up...

It should be draft Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Bey/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

I like Tyler Bey skillset a lot, but I currently rank Tillman as the best defensive prospect at PF/C because I think he fits more definition of system, player. Xavier is an elite passer, excellent finisher at rim and a solid defender. HE can play within system obth in defense and offense.

With Gordon/Bey I am kind of trying to go the same way MIA as do with Butler/Crowder. Versatile, big wings who can pass, score and defend.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1714 » by Wolveswin » Tue Oct 6, 2020 11:12 am

Back at it with another trade attempt that not only perfectly sets Wolves roster with fitting talent and core age players, but also weakens Western opponents around the same seed as Wolves. Spurs might get better but older, if age and fatigue hit their roster it helps Wolves cause...

Spurs Give: Murray + Mills + #11
Spurs Get: Holiday + Hart
Spurs Reasoning: Pops gets vet Holiday for one more playoff push. Spurs have even more options 2021 offseason.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13 + Future Draft Consideration*
Pelicans Get: #1 + Johnson + Mills
Pelicans Reasoning: consolidate to #1 for Ball or Edwards. Add to their super young core.

Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow
Grizzlies Get: Culver + Spellman + #13
Grizzlies Reasoning: cash in a Clarke value to see what Culver can become next to Morant and if they can hit on 2020 draft pick like they did with Clarke.

Wolves Give: #1 + Culver + Johnson + Spellman
Wolves Get: #11 + Murray + Winslow + Clarke + Pelicans Future Draft Consideration*
*Pelicans have plenty of 1sts to negotiate with. Wolves would prefer a lightly protected Pelicans 2021. Pelicans will push for Lakers owed pick package. Rosas earn your keep with negotiations.

Towns | Reid
Clarke | Hernangomez | Vanderbilt
Winslow | Layman | #11
Russell | Beasley | Okogie
Murray | Russell | McJordan

Question: in this trade, any chance Grizzlies say yes to Okogie + Evans + Spellman + #11 instead of Culver + Spellman + #13??? Maybe if it is #11 + #17???
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1715 » by KGdaBom » Tue Oct 6, 2020 11:14 am

minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:Lets try to get the best defensive-minded prospects of 2020 draft.

#1, Culver, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for #8 + 2021 NYK (top3 protected)+ 2022 NYK (top5 unprotected)

Why for MIN: trade for two lottery future picks
Why for NYK: get Ball, speed up the development process by filling the roster with Culver, Nowell, Spellman

Then
#8, JJ for Gordon, #15

Draft Patrick Williams (#8) Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Williams/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

Remove the protections and I can support this trade. I personally can't support trading for protected picks. However, do the Knicks have a FRP other than their own in 21 or 22? If not they can't make this trade. Also you have us trading #8, but then using it. Also Tyler Bey is likely the best defensive prospect at pick 17.


I messed it up...

It should be draft Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Bey/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

I like Tyler Bey skillset a lot, but I currently rank Tillman as the best defensive prospect at PF/C because I think he fits more definition of system, player. Xavier is an elite passer, excellent finisher at rim and a solid defender. HE can play within system obth in defense and offense.

With Gordon/Bey I am kind of trying to go the same way MIA as do with Butler/Crowder. Versatile, big wings who can pass, score and defend.

Do the Knicks have an extra FRP in 21-22?
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1716 » by minimus » Tue Oct 6, 2020 11:21 am

KGdaBom wrote:Do the Knicks have an extra FRP in 21-22?


DAL FRP in 2021
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1717 » by Neeva » Tue Oct 6, 2020 11:57 am

Wolveswin wrote:Back at it with another trade attempt that not only perfectly sets Wolves roster with fitting talent and core age players, but also weakens Western opponents around the same seed as Wolves. Spurs might get better but older, if age and fatigue hit their roster it helps Wolves cause...

Spurs Give: Murray + Mills + #11
Spurs Get: Holiday + Hart
Spurs Reasoning: Pops gets vet Holiday for one more playoff push. Spurs have even more options 2021 offseason.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13 + Future Draft Consideration*
Pelicans Get: #1 + Johnson + Mills
Pelicans Reasoning: consolidate to #1 for Ball or Edwards. Add to their super young core.

Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow
Grizzlies Get: Culver + Spellman + #13
Grizzlies Reasoning: cash in a Clarke value to see what Culver can become next to Morant and if they can hit on 2020 draft pick like they did with Clarke.

Wolves Give: #1 + Culver + Johnson + Spellman
Wolves Get: #11 + Murray + Winslow + Clarke + Pelicans Future Draft Consideration*
*Pelicans have plenty of 1sts to negotiate with. Wolves would prefer a lightly protected Pelicans 2021. Pelicans will push for Lakers owed pick package. Rosas earn your keep with negotiations.

Towns | Reid
Clarke | Hernangomez | Vanderbilt
Winslow | Layman | #11
Russell | Beasley | Okogie
Murray | Russell | McJordan

Question: in this trade, any chance Grizzlies say yes to Okogie + Evans + Spellman + #11 instead of Culver + Spellman + #13??? Maybe if it is #11 + #17???


Rosas wants to shoot for stars not use assets for role players.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1718 » by Neeva » Tue Oct 6, 2020 11:58 am

minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:Lets try to get the best defensive-minded prospects of 2020 draft.

#1, Culver, Nowell, Spellman, Evans for #8 + 2021 NYK (top3 protected)+ 2022 NYK (top5 unprotected)

Why for MIN: trade for two lottery future picks
Why for NYK: get Ball, speed up the development process by filling the roster with Culver, Nowell, Spellman

Then
#8, JJ for Gordon, #15

Draft Patrick Williams (#8) Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Williams/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

Remove the protections and I can support this trade. I personally can't support trading for protected picks. However, do the Knicks have a FRP other than their own in 21 or 22? If not they can't make this trade. Also you have us trading #8, but then using it. Also Tyler Bey is likely the best defensive prospect at pick 17.


I messed it up...

It should be draft Saddiq Bey(#15), Tillman(#17), Tre Jones(#33). Re-sign Beasley, JMac, Juancho, Martin.

KAT/Reid/Tillman
Gordon/Juancho/Vanderbilt
Layman/Bey/Martin
Beasley/Okogie/Bey
DLo/JMac/Jones

I like Tyler Bey skillset a lot, but I currently rank Tillman as the best defensive prospect at PF/C because I think he fits more definition of system, player. Xavier is an elite passer, excellent finisher at rim and a solid defender. HE can play within system obth in defense and offense.

With Gordon/Bey I am kind of trying to go the same way MIA as do with Butler/Crowder. Versatile, big wings who can pass, score and defend.


Most mocks have Tillman out of the first round. I think he will likely be available at 33. I would prefer Reed over him.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1719 » by Wolveswin » Tue Oct 6, 2020 1:43 pm

Neeva wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Back at it with another trade attempt that not only perfectly sets Wolves roster with fitting talent and core age players, but also weakens Western opponents around the same seed as Wolves. Spurs might get better but older, if age and fatigue hit their roster it helps Wolves cause...

Spurs Give: Murray + Mills + #11
Spurs Get: Holiday + Hart
Spurs Reasoning: Pops gets vet Holiday for one more playoff push. Spurs have even more options 2021 offseason.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13 + Future Draft Consideration*
Pelicans Get: #1 + Johnson + Mills
Pelicans Reasoning: consolidate to #1 for Ball or Edwards. Add to their super young core.

Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow
Grizzlies Get: Culver + Spellman + #13
Grizzlies Reasoning: cash in a Clarke value to see what Culver can become next to Morant and if they can hit on 2020 draft pick like they did with Clarke.

Wolves Give: #1 + Culver + Johnson + Spellman
Wolves Get: #11 + Murray + Winslow + Clarke + Pelicans Future Draft Consideration*
*Pelicans have plenty of 1sts to negotiate with. Wolves would prefer a lightly protected Pelicans 2021. Pelicans will push for Lakers owed pick package. Rosas earn your keep with negotiations.

Towns | Reid
Clarke | Hernangomez | Vanderbilt
Winslow | Layman | #11
Russell | Beasley | Okogie
Murray | Russell | McJordan

Question: in this trade, any chance Grizzlies say yes to Okogie + Evans + Spellman + #11 instead of Culver + Spellman + #13??? Maybe if it is #11 + #17???


Rosas wants to shoot for stars not use assets for role players.

I get that. But if all rumors are he doesn’t think his star is there at #1, and other teams don’t value #1 enough to give him their star, he needs to build the best roster he can.

With that said, I think saying in the right situation Murray or Clarke can’t be stars is selling them short. Superstars? No. But third fiddle to Towns and Russell is a real possibility.

Added: Murray seems exactly like the kind of player Rosas would target. Not only is he perfect next to Russell and Beasley, he is locked-in on a value 4 year deal and maybe undervalued due to injury.

It wasn’t an easy year for the San Antonio Spurs on the defensive side of the ball, but that didn’t stop starting point guard Dejounte Murray from giving a wholehearted effort. The 24-year-old returned from an ACL tear during last year’s preseason with a vengeance, flashing the same upside he did before the injury. That charisma and energy earned him two votes for the NBA’s All-Defensive team for the 2019-20 season.

Even though he was faced with an uphill battle, Murray was a defensive menace this season. Being a pest on that side of the ball comes naturally for Dejounte, but returning from such a tragic injury kept him from playing to the best of his ability. However, many of the same traits that made him the youngest All-Defensive team member at 21-years-old flashed this season.

Murray might be on the “low” end in value if he is returning to all defensive team form. I think he could be a star in the making — on defensive side of ball. Everything Simmons is on defense (at guard) but he can shoot much better than Simmons.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Four) 

Post#1720 » by KGdaBom » Tue Oct 6, 2020 2:35 pm

minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Do the Knicks have an extra FRP in 21-22?


DAL FRP in 2021

Unprotected is what I didn't know.

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