Butler has requested a trade (Part II)

[twix2500]

It is possible I end up with Zazie Beetz, but these two scenarios have about the same chances of happening. Like you could show some prior incidents that ended up in an all nba player getting bought out, to back up your theory. Until then you can stop pretending like your theory isn’t completely insane.

What is there a rule that says an all-nba can not be bought out? You making up some unwritten rule because you don't like it. If he is willing to walk then there is nothing to lose by being bought out. And more to gain

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Now come some fallacies to muddy the logic.

There is no rule. I never insinuated there was. There is just reality and what we can predict based on history and evidence. Your theory isn’t based on evidence, there is no history of it, but here you are warning us of something illogical telling us it can totally happen.

It's illogical because that exact scenario hasn't happened. That's what you banking this on. So someone must only do what someone else has done in the exact scenario. I don't know what rule of thumb that is. I can point out Joe Johnson, but all you gonna say he wasn't as good as Butler. Brooklyn wss trying to make Joe play out his final season because they thought they had a chance to make the playoffs. Joe didn't play hard, the Nets were out of the playoff race and eventually came to terms with Joe and agreed to a buy out. He signed with Miami, got the money back and went on a play off run the Heat. Alonzo Morning, asked for a buyout with nets, they wouldn't do it. So his agent actually worked up a trade with Raptors, and Raptors bought him out. He signed with Heat and won a ring.

I am just bringing up a possible scenario. You can dismiss it just because of some emotional feelings.

Since we want some historic example before we suggest anything. Show me a superstar who stay with a franchise that he doesn't want to be with and demanded a trade only just to get a fifth year on a supermax.

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[KGdaBom]

Well I'm just warning you. Don't pull your hair if it happens.

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Jimmy wants the 5 year max, Threatening a buyout will not get him there.

He don't want it from the Wolves. Lawd have mercy. You think he will take it from any team? You are smoking some good green up there.

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Twix players that are on good contracts are never bought out. It's players on bad contracts. You are so far off base on this buyout idea it is beyond ridiculous.

[Mattya]

What is there a rule that says an all-nba can not be bought out? You making up some unwritten rule because you don't like it. If he is willing to walk then there is nothing to lose by being bought out. And more to gain

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Now come some fallacies to muddy the logic.

There is no rule. I never insinuated there was. There is just reality and what we can predict based on history and evidence. Your theory isn’t based on evidence, there is no history of it, but here you are warning us of something illogical telling us it can totally happen.

It's illogical because that exact scenario hasn't happened. That's what you banking this on. So someone must only do what someone else has done in the exact scenario. I don't know what rule of thumb that is. I can point out Joe Johnson, but all you gonna say he wasn't as good as Butler. Brooklyn wss trying to make Joe play out his final season because they thought they had a chance to make the playoffs. Joe didn't play hard, the Nets were out of the playoff race and eventually came to terms with Joe and agreed to a buy out. He signed with Miami, got the money back and went on a play off run the Heat. Alonzo Morning, asked for a buyout with nets, they wouldn't do it. So his agent actually worked up a trade with Raptors, and Raptors bought him out. He signed with Heat and won a ring.

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I’m waiting for an All NBA player forcing his way off his current team through a buy out... These two players were role players when they got their buy outs.

You know you are desperate when you are comparing the Jimmy Butler situation similar to Johnson and Mourning. As if money is what is the main issue for the Wolves in the Butler situation

[twix2500]

Jimmy wants the 5 year max, Threatening a buyout will not get him there.

He don't want it from the Wolves. Lawd have mercy. You think he will take it from any team? You are smoking some good green up there.

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Twix players that are on good contracts are never bought out. It's players on bad contracts. You are so far off base on this buyout idea it is beyond ridiculous.

Now come some fallacies to muddy the logic.

There is no rule. I never insinuated there was. There is just reality and what we can predict based on history and evidence. Your theory isn’t based on evidence, there is no history of it, but here you are warning us of something illogical telling us it can totally happen.

It's illogical because that exact scenario hasn't happened. That's what you banking this on. So someone must only do what someone else has done in the exact scenario. I don't know what rule of thumb that is. I can point out Joe Johnson, but all you gonna say he wasn't as good as Butler. Brooklyn wss trying to make Joe play out his final season because they thought they had a chance to make the playoffs. Joe didn't play hard, the Nets were out of the playoff race and eventually came to terms with Joe and agreed to a buy out. He signed with Miami, got the money back and went on a play off run the Heat. Alonzo Morning, asked for a buyout with nets, they wouldn't do it. So his agent actually worked up a trade with Raptors, and Raptors bought him out. He signed with Heat and won a ring.

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I’m waiting for an All NBA player forcing his way off his current team through a buy out... These two players were role players when they got their buy outs.

You know you are desperate when you are comparing the Jimmy Butler situation similar to Johnson and Mourning. As if money is what is the main issue for the Wolves in the Butler situation

Well show me a scenario that a superstar who demands a trade beefing with teammates decides to resign because he wants a fifth yr

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[Mattya]

I am just bringing up a possible scenario. You can dismiss it just because of some emotional feelings.

Since we want some historic example before we suggest anything. Show me a superstar who stay with a franchise that he doesn't want to be with and demanded a trade only just to get a fifth year on a supermax.

I'm dismissing it because it is illogical. You're the one in your feelings because you got called out for suggesting something stupid.

More fallacies presented. I never argued the Wolves would resign him, but they surely wouldn't help Butler in this situation if he forces the Wolves hand.

[twix2500]

I am just bringing up a possible scenario. You can dismiss it just because of some emotional feelings.

Since we want some historic example before we suggest anything. Show me a superstar who stay with a franchise that he doesn't want to be with and demanded a trade only just to get a fifth year on a supermax.

I'm dismissing it because it is illogical. You're the one in your feelings because you got called out for suggesting something stupid.

More fallacies presented. I never argued the Wolves would resign him, but they surely wouldn't help Butler in this situation if he forces the Wolves hand.

Illogical for whom? Break it down. And dont say because you never seen it happen. That's just dumb and lazy. Why wouldn't Jimmy ask for a buyout? Explain without some emotional hissy fit.

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[AmitabhaBuddha]

He can ask for a buyout. No one has to give it to him. Players get buyouts when they can’t be traded. Jimmy can be traded.

[Mattya]

I am just bringing up a possible scenario. You can dismiss it just because of some emotional feelings.

Since we want some historic example before we suggest anything. Show me a superstar who stay with a franchise that he doesn't want to be with and demanded a trade only just to get a fifth year on a supermax.

I'm dismissing it because it is illogical. You're the one in your feelings because you got called out for suggesting something stupid.

More fallacies presented. I never argued the Wolves would resign him, but they surely wouldn't help Butler in this situation if he forces the Wolves hand.

Illogical for whom? Break it down. And dont say because you never seen it happen. That's just dumb and lazy. Why wouldn't Jimmy ask for a buyout? Explain without some emotional hissy fit.

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He can ask.. He won't receive it. How is something so basic so difficult?

You see we know what is likely based on history and evidence. We know All-NBA players don't turn down rookie max extensions. Because it has never happened. We know All NBA players won't receive buy outs because it has never happened.

Now go ahead and run back to your Heat board again for validation about your illogical take.

[twix2500]

I'm dismissing it because it is illogical. You're the one in your feelings because you got called out for suggesting something stupid.

More fallacies presented. I never argued the Wolves would resign him, but they surely wouldn't help Butler in this situation if he forces the Wolves hand.

Illogical for whom? Break it down. And dont say because you never seen it happen. That's just dumb and lazy. Why wouldn't Jimmy ask for a buyout? Explain without some emotional hissy fit.

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He can ask.. He won't receive it. How is something so basic so difficult?

You see we know what is likely based on history and evidence. We know All-NBA players don't turn down rookie max extensions. Because it has never happened. We know All NBA players won't receive buy outs because it has never happened.

Now go ahead and run back to your Heat board again for validation about your illogical take.

Mattya, he already has little value on the trade market. Requesting a buyout even if the Wolves scoff at it will absolutely kill any trade value he had left. Your expecting the owner to make a decision out of spit? How logical is that.

I don't expect no one's validation. There is no one on realgm worth or qualified getting validation from. Just having a discussion.

Oh wait, where is Howard Cosell with his scoops.

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[Mattya]

Illogical for whom? Break it down. And dont say because you never seen it happen. That's just dumb and lazy. Why wouldn't Jimmy ask for a buyout? Explain without some emotional hissy fit.

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He can ask.. He won't receive it. How is something so basic so difficult?

You see we know what is likely based on history and evidence. We know All-NBA players don't turn down rookie max extensions. Because it has never happened. We know All NBA players won't receive buy outs because it has never happened.

Now go ahead and run back to your Heat board again for validation about your illogical take.

Mattya, he already has little value on the trade market. Requesting a buyout even if the Wolves scoff at it will absolutely kill any trade value he had left. Your expecting the owner to make a decision out of spit? How logical is that.

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Have you ever heard of Glen Taylor?

[twix2500]

He can ask.. He won't receive it. How is something so basic so difficult?

You see we know what is likely based on history and evidence. We know All-NBA players don't turn down rookie max extensions. Because it has never happened. We know All NBA players won't receive buy outs because it has never happened.

Now go ahead and run back to your Heat board again for validation about your illogical take.

Mattya, he already has little value on the trade market. Requesting a buyout even if the Wolves scoff at it will absolutely kill any trade value he had left. Your expecting the owner to make a decision out of spit? How logical is that.

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Have you ever heard of Glen Taylor?

Do you know Glen Taylor

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[Mattya]

Mattya, he already has little value on the trade market. Requesting a buyout even if the Wolves scoff at it will absolutely kill any trade value he had left. Your expecting the owner to make a decision out of spit? How logical is that.

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Have you ever heard of Glen Taylor?

Do you know Glen Taylor

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Why would I know him? I don't need to personally know someone to know how they act.

I know his history with unhappy players, coaches and personal.

[Rapaz]

HELLO?! CAN WE GET A SOURCE (H) UPDATE, PLEASE? IT HAS BEEN HOURS.

[Loyal[]Wolf]

HELLO?! CAN WE GET A SOURCE (H) UPDATE, PLEASE? IT HAS BEEN HOURS.

Source (H) has been banned. You will receive an update from him in the year 2033 when he will be eligible for parole after serving 15 years of jail.

[twix2500]

Have you ever heard of Glen Taylor?

Do you know Glen Taylor

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Why would I know him? I don't need to personally know someone to know how they act.

I know his history with unhappy players, coaches and personal.

That's a fine answer. But that does not mean Butler will not attempt. Taylor may or may not do it. No need to jump on me for discussing this as a possible maneuver.

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[twix2500]

HELLO?! CAN WE GET A SOURCE (H) UPDATE, PLEASE? IT HAS BEEN HOURS.

Source (H) has been banned. You will receive an update from him in the year 2033 when he will be eligible for parole after serving 15 years of jail.

He was legit thou lol

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[Domejandro]

So apparantly the Heat and Wolves made their final offer Sunday. That was the deadline, that is what prompt Jimmy peeps to have a final sit down with Thibs monday. Yesterday Miami went ahead as if Butler is not gonna be traded and begin writing up Winslow extension. It appears Wolves are gonna try to pin Butler in a corner and force him to play.

Considering miami's final offer was likely, Richardson, a protected first, and waiters, jimmy can sit at home and make his presence felt on instagram rather than on a basketball court.

If he refuses to play, than let him wait out free agency for another year.
If he pretends to be hurt, stay away from the team and watch everyone else play while you stew.

No reason for Thibs and company to succumb to these demands, especially when the offers are so crap.

That is where it looks you guys are at. Be on a lookout for Butler to explore a buyout at the trade deadline.

Which Minnesota would tell him to piss off.

[Mattya]

Do you know Glen Taylor

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Why would I know him? I don't need to personally know someone to know how they act.

I know his history with unhappy players, coaches and personal.

That's a fine answer. But that does not mean Butler will not attempt. Taylor may or may not do it. No need to jump on me for discussing this as a possible maneuver.

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And he can, but that doesn't mean Taylor has to appease his request. You are the one presenting him getting a buy out as a legit possibility not me. Being possible =/= likely

[twix2500]

Why would I know him? I don't need to personally know someone to know how they act.

I know his history with unhappy players, coaches and personal.

That's a fine answer. But that does not mean Butler will not attempt. Taylor may or may not do it. No need to jump on me for discussing this as a possible maneuver.

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And he can, but that doesn't mean Taylor has to appease his request. You are the one presenting him getting a buy out as a legit possibility not me. Being possible =/= likely

I said he may ask for one, never said he will receive one. You were to quick to jump on me. I was bringing up a discussion point.

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[big3_8_19_21]

That's a fine answer. But that does not mean Butler will not attempt. Taylor may or may not do it. No need to jump on me for discussing this as a possible maneuver.

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And he can, but that doesn't mean Taylor has to appease his request. You are the one presenting him getting a buy out as a legit possibility not me. Being possible =/= likely

I said he may ask for one, never said he will receive one. You were to quick to jump on me. I was bringing up a discussion point.

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If he asks for a buyout to intentionally tank his trade value and the Wolves end up buying him out then no one has his bird right next summer and it is impossible for him to get the 5 year $190 million dollar max. Completely shoots himself in the foot.