Trade Talk (Part Five)

[Note30]

I don't see the Hawks giving up 3 starters for Towns, two of which are defenders. Trae needs defense around him. Having a deficient PG and adding a defensive deficient Center in Towns isn't a move for the Hawks.

I understand that point of view. And makes sense.

You could probably get two starters and Gallo

[Domejandro]

I think a potential avenue could be something around Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. for D'Angelo Russell. Could probably grease a pick or two out of the deal.

Now this is just pushing it. This is god awful, why would you want this.

Getting expiring deals, a couple of picks, and a huge TPE is a steal, from my perspective.

[Jedzz]

My opinion isn't based on the Pelicans game, it's based on the entire season. And if the Timberwolves are the worst team in the West this year, trading Towns is something that's probably on the table no matter what else we do.

That' what I figured. You and others want to move Towns. I see.

This didn't have to go down like this of course. This season didn't have to be blown up like this. But this is the Timberwolves...way, and the fans lean into it with them every year.

So what, so now the team continues it's farming help for Warrrors and sends Towns there and we find some third team guppy to take on Dlo? Or do Warriors take them both back and send us all their trash including Wiggnis back? Won't a few be so happy to get there 2021 pick back.

Well, back to a team with one decent shooter. Beasely can tank commander. Won't he be happy.

Who said I wanted to move on from Towns. I'm just saying that's where we end up if we keep going down this path. We're not going to win with DLo as our 2nd best player, and if Towns wants out if we trade DLo then we don't have any realistic options for success.

That's all I'm saying as well. If many of you want Dlo gone so bad this is the instant reality, He gone too. This is of course instead of asking the team to get back to the plan with DLo/Towns and quit playing patty cake with their goofy moves from this offseason so much and keep the team to the original plan. Guys like Edwards aren't going anywhere, he can develop from left over minutes or go to Gleague. They could save what they were building if they keep priorities a priority is all I'm saying. But if not, well...you are right...something has probably got to give.

[Jedzz]

I think a potential avenue could be something around Frank Ntilikina and Dennis Smith Jr. for D'Angelo Russell. Could probably grease a pick or two out of the deal.

Now this is just pushing it. This is god awful, why would you want this.

Getting expiring deals, a couple of picks, and a huge TPE is a steal, from my perspective.

What to do with a huge TPE and no one to use it on? We have to ask. Because if he's gone, and Towns pushes out... Well I guess if Beasley has some friends we want to pverpay for.

[Merc_Porto]

What to do with a huge TPE and no one to use it on? We have to ask. Because if he's gone, and Towns pushes out... Well I guess if Beasley has some friends we want to pverpay for.

If Towns pushes out because they traded his friend. Then he should definitely go.
That would be ridiculous...

[Jedzz]

What to do with a huge TPE and no one to use it on? We have to ask. Because if he's gone, and Towns pushes out... Well I guess if Beasley has some friends we want to pverpay for.

If Towns pushes out because they traded his friend. Then he should definitely go.
That would be ridiculous...

Why would you say this? He's more than just a friend. He is a usable PG capable of 52 pt games in the NBA. Just because some of you can't stand t he style he plays with doesn't mean you are on the right end of reason here. From Town's perspective he's the guy here and just like on any other team "the guy" gets his way. Giannis gets his brother in the league with Bucs help, other players get their nobody buds on rosters. It is just reality. But in this case, Dlo actually has NBA skills. Again, I understand some of you don't like how he plays. But that's not your say. It wasn't my choice either, but I understand what Towns would like happen here if he's to stay with this rotten org and deal with winters and struggle verses push out for happier sunsets like every other stinking good player is doing around the league.

So far he stayed, probably with a couple stipulations they would work toward building a certain type of team and at least try to get a couple players together. They got one. Now you want to kick him out and for what? So we can develop and lousy recent draft pick isntantly with a red carpet again? So we can assure Rubio works here the second time around? What is everyone's problem all of a sudden? This was the plan since last February. One screwy FA choice and we are going to blow it up?

The ridiculous part is that you think it shouldn't matter to him. As much as you think Dlo sucks, this team can win with him and Towns together if they stop messing around with all the roles around them. What they did this offseason was messing around. Someone had an idea and they need to go stand in the corner now.

This seems like when the fans had enough of Thibs. Raising hell until they got their way, had help internally on the team who wanted him gone and they reached out to fans and spun them up until pushes turned into shoves.

I got news for some people here. Good teams that have multiple vets, they don't want #1 overall picks and more rookies then they can handle. They want more capable vets. They trade the picks away. Obviously Rosas wasn't capable of getting that to happen. So what? Develop him off to the side, who cares? Maybe in year 2 or 3 he's ready to go. Until then we should stop breaking everything.

[Merc_Porto]

Why would you say this? He's more than just a friend. He is a usable PG capable of 52 pt games in the NBA. Just because some of you can't stand t he style he plays with doesn't mean you are on the right end of reason here. From Town's perspective he's the guy here and just like on any other team "the guy" gets his way. Giannis gets his brother in the league with Bucs help, other players get their nobody buds on rosters. It is just reality. But in this case, Dlo actually has NBA skills.

He is paid like a star without being one. Come one... Those examples you gave are just wrong on this.
Is not about not liking his style. You are the one that keep saying that. Is not the true.

His role is the problem, what he's earning is the problem. And both things, his role and what he's earning hurt the Wolves badly.
On the floor and with cap flexibility...

About Towns, he's relativity young and with time he's going to understand that he's not going to win with his buddy (Dlo, not Booker) earning close to what he also makes. Simple as that.

You never going to see KAT or Booker being dealt with Mozgov for salary relief with the prespective to some day add a superstar in free agency. That's Dlo thought.

He's not that good and that's the most common opinion on him for a reason, or multiple reasons.

[Merc_Porto]

And Jedzz,

We agree that the Wolves front office really messed up in the off-season. The construction of the team is really, really, really poor.
And we said it out loud before the seasons even started.

But even with the rights pieces. If you star duo is Dlo-Kat, you can even add Booker to the mix, earning 100 millions the three and the ceiling of this team would never be for a championship.

[moonpie]

DLO/KAT to PHX, CP3 to NOP, Lonzo/Ayton/picks to MIN framework? Phoenix gets the DLO/KAT/Booker trio, New Orleans welcomes CP3 back to help guide their young core, Minny hits the reset button and gain flexibility/save money

[Wolveswin]

Time to pull the plug...

76ers:
Harris + Green + Korkamaz + 2021 1st (unprotected)
FOR
Russell + Paschall + Oubre Jr.

Warriors:
Wiseman + Oubre Jr. + Paschall + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2022 Warriors 1st (unprotected with rights to become 2023) + 2023 Warriors 1st Swap + 2026 Warriors 1st
FOR
Towns + Vanderbilt + Korkmaz (Philly filler) + 2021 76ers 1st

Wolves:
Towns + Vanderbilt + Russell
FOR
Wiseman + Harris + Green + 2021 Wolves 1st (returned) + 2022 or 2023 Warriors 1st + 2026 Warriors 1st

Maybe in season or two, Harris can earn value being showcased in MN and as his contract lessens.

Wiseman | Reid | Davis
Harris | Hernangomez | McDaniels
Edwards | Culver | Layman
Beasley | Okogie | Green (buyout?)
Rubio | McJordan

Wolves tank for Cunningham or Suggs.

[Jedzz]

Find Rubio a new trade home where he could be useful.
Maybe send Rubio / Edwards / Davis for Ben Simmons

Towns | Reid
Simmons | Hernangomez
McDaniels | Okogie | Layman
Beasley | Culver | Nowell
Dlo | JMac | Nowell

[Note30]

What to do with a huge TPE and no one to use it on? We have to ask. Because if he's gone, and Towns pushes out... Well I guess if Beasley has some friends we want to pverpay for.

If Towns pushes out because they traded his friend. Then he should definitely go.
That would be ridiculous...

Why would you say this? He's more than just a friend. He is a usable PG capable of 52 pt games in the NBA. Just because some of you can't stand t he style he plays with doesn't mean you are on the right end of reason here. From Town's perspective he's the guy here and just like on any other team "the guy" gets his way. Giannis gets his brother in the league with Bucs help, other players get their nobody buds on rosters. It is just reality. But in this case, Dlo actually has NBA skills. Again, I understand some of you don't like how he plays. But that's not your say. It wasn't my choice either, but I understand what Towns would like happen here if he's to stay with this rotten org and deal with winters and struggle verses push out for happier sunsets like every other stinking good player is doing around the league.

So far he stayed, probably with a couple stipulations they would work toward building a certain type of team and at least try to get a couple players together. They got one. Now you want to kick him out and for what? So we can develop and lousy recent draft pick isntantly with a red carpet again? So we can assure Rubio works here the second time around? What is everyone's problem all of a sudden? This was the plan since last February. One screwy FA choice and we are going to blow it up?

The ridiculous part is that you think it shouldn't matter to him. As much as you think Dlo sucks, this team can win with him and Towns together if they stop messing around with all the roles around them. What they did this offseason was messing around. Someone had an idea and they need to go stand in the corner now.

This seems like when the fans had enough of Thibs. Raising hell until they got their way, had help internally on the team who wanted him gone and they reached out to fans and spun them up until pushes turned into shoves.

I got news for some people here. Good teams that have multiple vets, they don't want #1 overall picks and more rookies then they can handle. They want more capable vets. They trade the picks away. Obviously Rosas wasn't capable of getting that to happen. So what? Develop him off to the side, who cares? Maybe in year 2 or 3 he's ready to go. Until then we should stop breaking everything.

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that. He's been on 1 winning team and just barely so. He wasn't even the best player on that Nets squad that went 42-40 in the east. Harris, Allen, and Dinwiddie all had more impact on the floor than he did.

He's been on 4 teams in 5 years.

His lone year in the playoffs he shot sub .360 percent.

Yes he average 20+ points, but he's the biggest defensive liability on the floor at all times and consistently.

He consistently has made bone-headed plays on drives and is arguably the most inefficient out of the three main scorers we have.

Towns and Russell aren't winning building blocks. Towns could be a 2nd wheel but the way we're setup no definitely not, there's no offensive talent to carry him.

Dump the whole roster. Get as much value as you can and setup vets around our only way to land superstars - grow them.

Develop the rookies - rinse and repeat. If it doesn't work, dump and repeat. We're not gonna land instant superstars like the other destination cities unless we draft a generational player like (KG) or in today's era Luka. The only exception was Toronto and that was so lucky on so many fronts.

Toronto took advantage of the Spurs misfortune, lucked out in the Finals, and won a chip. But that whole process could have bombed disatrously.

If we were a middling team I wouldn't say dump everyone - but we're not even middling. We're straight hot trash.

We have no stability, identity, or motor.

[Mattya]

Rubio, Culver, Layman, Juancho either don’t fit or haven’t played well enough. Gotta fix this PF problem. Use the draft rights to Bolmaro if you have to. Vando seems like another good bench hustle player at this point in his career, but he produces.

DLo/JMac/Nowell
Beasley/Edwards
McDaniels/Okogie
/Vando
Towns/Reid/Davis

[Jedzz]

But even with the rights pieces. If you star duo is Dlo-Kat, you can even add Booker to the mix, earning 100 millions the three and the ceiling of this team would never be for a championship.

I'm sorry to report but this isn't something you can rule upon, can't know this, and I'm not going take your word for this. Nothing against you, but that's just how it is. Facts are no team is only two or three players deep. Every great team lately has two to three unique talents that are above the norm in some way and then multiple other useful talents on the team. It is very much about who all is put around those players to make it all work. FIT and Capabilities are paramount.

We've had discussions here already about the possibility of that trio and people have already given their thoughts on the defense issues they see etc, and how it would be highly offensive in nature. However none of those thoughts pay any mind to the balance of the team and what they can bring. Can the team find a defender or two that makes it all work. We've already seen an undrafted defender on this team make a large difference for this team in just a couple games both filling a role and adding defense validity. He's underafted! If that's possible, there are more out there. So 100 million on three players is certainly doable.

My last point is that whether or not it ends up being championship worthy or not, it could be competitive in the playoffs levels where this team never usually approaches. That's where ultimately all the good teams end their seasons every year. That's my hopes for the team at minimum. That's why I'm not willing to throw away what they started to build here just for the return of a bunch of worthless draft picks that could be zeros for the rest of my time on this earth for all we know.

[Jedzz]

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that.

There is no proof you know how to assess this. Really, that goes for all of us.

There is proof of what happened at Nets. There is proof in games where he has produced at high levels only a few achieve.

He's not Michael Jordan playing by himself, we all can see. Then again, Jordan never played by himself. Get it? Kobe scored 60 points in a game just before retiring, the Lakers were stuck in a losing era at the time, devoid of talent around him. He didn't offer 40-60 point games every day during that era even though he was capable of it. He was human and he showed up to lose games most days which was what going to happen no matter how much effort he put into it each game. So I'm asking you to have some perspective about DLo when you claim he should be able to win games all by himself because he's paid so much, and that he should be some perfect human that gives 110% no matter the situation of these games. It's the most silly argument that has been going around here lately. The facts are, the team wasn't choosing to play as if he was the leading player most of these games. The team itself was choosing to "develop" players instead and this reality in fact has more to do with Dlo's effort, etc.

[Note30]

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that.

There is no proof you know how to assess this.

i literally just did.

[Jedzz]

He's not a PG you can win with tho. There's no proof of that.

There is no proof you know how to assess this.

i literally just did.

No. You didn't. I can't bother with you anymore. Please don't take this the wrong way but I'm no longer going to respond.

[Merc_Porto]

But even with the rights pieces. If you star duo is Dlo-Kat, you can even add Booker to the mix, earning 100 millions the three and the ceiling of this team would never be for a championship.

I'm sorry to report but this isn't something you can rule upon, can't know this, and I'm not going take your word for this. Nothing against you, but that's just how it is. Facts are no team is only two or three players deep. Every great team lately has two to three unique talents that are above the norm in some way and then multiple other useful talents on the team. It is very much about who all is put around those players to make it all work. FIT and Capabilities are paramount.

Yes and my point is that Dlo is not an unique talent. Booker and Kat are but they would need some help. And with Dlo making 30M your cap flexibility to put the rights around those two would be non-existent.

Again, what i dont like about Dlo is his role and how much he makes. Thats also why i was completly against trading such a valuable pick with a low protection for minumum improvement (if theres one) to go from Wiggins contract to Dlo Contract. The risk was to high.

I know you going to come with the idea that the front office messed up really bad this off-season by not putting the right pieces around Kat-Dlo and i agree, i already told you many times. But still, even with the rights pieces that doesnt delete the fact that the duo Kat-Dlo is making 60M per year.

The exception for me to this work was to draft a star in the draft. Why?
Because atleast the number one overrall still makes just $10M.

[Jedzz]

But even with the rights pieces. If you star duo is Dlo-Kat, you can even add Booker to the mix, earning 100 millions the three and the ceiling of this team would never be for a championship.

I'm sorry to report but this isn't something you can rule upon, can't know this, and I'm not going take your word for this. Nothing against you, but that's just how it is. Facts are no team is only two or three players deep. Every great team lately has two to three unique talents that are above the norm in some way and then multiple other useful talents on the team. It is very much about who all is put around those players to make it all work. FIT and Capabilities are paramount.

Yes and my point is that Dlo is not an unique talent.

That's just your opinion.

He may not be your opinion of who is worthy, but he may be the best we can get right now to fill that role. We don't appear to be in the running for the Lebrons, ADs, Hardens of this league. So you might have to live with our highest paid players being just uniquely capable of reaching into that realm and design a better team around them. That mgiht be MN's only way.

Nobody else on this team is capable of scoring at those kind of levels but Kat. I'll add Beasley if he ever gets over 35, but so far not even close to 50 capable. Yes, Dlo is more unique in this league than you think. I think he probably has at least 5 games with score totals Beasely has never attained yet. It's a higher level he can quickly get to. Especially when he's allowed to focus on what he's good at with other capable players around him. Which is logical for everyone.

People thinking a #1 pick was going to immediately become a solution and capable of this were just sadly mistaken. He's years out from becoming efficient enough and aware enough to do any real carrying. The coaches really set this team and Dlo back when they started this season as if it was meant to develop Edwards/Culver. It took everyone out of their best roles and made everyone else look worse. Why some of you refuse to see this I can't tell you. This season has not been approached for getting it's best case from it's best players.

[Merc_Porto]

I'm sorry to report but this isn't something you can rule upon, can't know this, and I'm not going take your word for this. Nothing against you, but that's just how it is. Facts are no team is only two or three players deep. Every great team lately has two to three unique talents that are above the norm in some way and then multiple other useful talents on the team. It is very much about who all is put around those players to make it all work. FIT and Capabilities are paramount.

Yes and my point is that Dlo is not an unique talent.

That's just your opinion.

He may not be your opinion of who is worthy, but he may be the best we can get right now to fill that role. We don't appear to be in the running for the Lebrons, ADs, Hardens of this league. So you might have to live with our highest paid players being just uniquely capable of reaching into that realm and design a better team around them. That mgiht be MN's only way.

Nobody else on this team is capable of scoring at those kind of levels but Kat. I'll add Beasley if he ever gets over 35, but so far not even close to 50 capable. Yes, Dlo is more unique in this league than you think. I think he probably has at least 5 games with score totals Beasely has never attained yet. It's a higher level he can quickly get to. Especially when he's allowed to focus on what he's good at with other capable players around him. Which is logical for everyone.

People thinking a #1 pick was going to immediately become a solution and capable of this were just sadly mistaken. He's years out from becoming efficient enough and aware enough to do any real carrying. The coaches really set this team and Dlo back when they started this season as if it was meant to develop Edwards/Culver. It took everyone out of their best roles and made everyone else look worse. Why some of you refuse to see this I can't tell you. This season has not been approached for getting it's best case from it's best players.

Yes is my opinion. And i think is a common opinion around the league as well. From fans, analytics to the his 3 previous teams. Which in one of those teams he was used as a salary relief.

And yes, we are not in the running for the Lebrons, ADs or Hardens of this league trough free agency but we could and should be in the running for the Lebrons, ADs or Hardens trough drafts (Doncic, JA Morant, Tatum, etc etc etc) instead of committing to mediocrity.

I just dont get it how you can go from being one of the worst teams in the league and knowing that we arent a free agency destination to switch from Wiggins to Dlo while paying such a high price along. Is so dumb on so many levels.

Is just one of the worst moves i can remember made by a GM.

And btw, bastkeball is not only about scoring.
With that said, we really are never going to agree on Dlo value.

I don't have much to add to this discussion.