Trade Talk (Part Six)

[karch34]

I dont want to move Rubio just to move him but end of day were close to luxury tax and a Harrell or even draft pick puts us there if there's not a trade. Plus that's a lot for a backup PG even if he's the best backup in the league. There's other trades possible I'm sure but those are going to have their own issues too. Agree with Norseman79 post, I just think the options are limited especially if we dont keep our pick IMO.

[Domejandro]

Montrezl Harrell is a really bad defensive player, Minnesota would be making a mistake if they sign him.

[Norseman79]

Montrezl Harrell is a really bad defensive player, Minnesota would be making a mistake if they sign him.

This is where I mentioned we may have him and more if Vanderbilt can beef up a bit. The one thing I like that Trez brings would be some attitude/toughness. Harrell's defense is a negative especially next to Kat. His activity on offense boards and attitude would be plusses. Ultimately I agree he would not be a good target, but a big, aggressive PF that has a chip on his shoulder I do like....now let's put it in Vanderbilt

[IceManBK1]

Man these guys Trae young, doncic, booker, Tatum are bona fide superstars. Guys like Dlo and Randle maybe have a MIP like season to earn that max contract then they fizzle off. They help their teams reach the playoffs then struggle mightily in the 1st rd. I wonder how a healthy trio of dlo, towns, and Edwards can do in the East. I know for sure Trae young and John Collins are a better duo than dlo and towns. Dlo's game is flawed. As well as town's. Both could still improve in various areas of their game

[shangrila]

Let me start out by saying I have no issues trading Rubio for the right package. However, there is a lot that goes into this situation. For starters does Rubio want to go? If it's yes, then it's a no-brainer you get rid of the disgruntled guy in the offseason. However if it's no, and he's happy with the way the season ended and the role he was being defined in, then I think you have to pump the brakes unless the right offer comes along. Here's the thing, I have no faith in Russell staying healthy the entire season and I have even less faith in us signing a backup point guard that can provide the same things that Rubio does or close to. He certainly has his faults believe me I've sworn at the TV many times, but we also can't disregard what he does bring. I know we have holes to fill, but creating one to potentially fill one doesn't seem like the proper recipe.

We arguably have several tradable assets that may or may not get us back something we could use, depending on Rubio's view as far as staying with the team goes he may or may not be one of them. However we also have guys like Beasley, Culver, Okoge, and a few others that could be packaged for salary purposes. I like the idea of a montrez h type, I think that is on the right track to start in the front court with towns and McDaniels, but we may already have that and more in Vanderbilt if he puts one some size.

Back to the original point,yes Rubio is overpaid as a back up PG with flaws in his game, but let's make sure it's a forward move if we trade him, not just a sideways or backwards one.

Rubio was consistent throughout the season that he wasn't a fan of coming off the bench. I'm not worried about him becoming toxic but I do think he should be moved if that's the plan for him, which it would seem to be.

I'd also say he's a good candidate for cost cutting. We don't have the luxury of paying 17mil to a 20mpg (at best) backup so if we can get someone who's cheaper, even if they're a little worse, then we need to do it as right now our salary is going to handcuff us.

[IceManBK1]

I think bobby portis would a solid fit with this team. underrated defender. good 3 pt shooting big, can also post up and pass. wouldn't cost more than the MLE. If anything we can shred salary by trading culver or hernangomez to a team with cap space for 2nd rders.

[life_saver]

If Wolves get a top3 pick, would you be ok with picking Mobley & trading KAT for Jaylen Brown + FRP(may be add another SRP or FRP)?

I don't know much about Mobley but based on what I have read, he is a C who is good defensively and is competent on offense.

[wolves_89]

If Wolves get a top3 pick, would you be ok with picking Mobley & trading KAT for Jaylen Brown + FRP(may be add another SRP or FRP)?

I don't know much about Mobley but based on what I have read, he is a C who is good defensively and is competent on offense.

I would absolutely love to see a Mobley/KAT pairing. I think they could play together and are a pretty great fit in terms of their skill sets. There is no way I'd consider trading KAT if Minnesota ends up with Mobley.

[IceManBK1]

Should Porzingus demand a trade.. Do we make a run? Assuming the asking price is Beasley, McDaniels, Rubio and a late 1st rder. I like McDaniels.. But porzingus is one of the best PFs in this league.

[Slim Tubby]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

Should Porzingus demand a trade.. Do we make a run? Assuming the asking price is Beasley, McDaniels, Rubio and a late 1st rder. I like McDaniels.. But porzingus is one of the best PFs in this league.

Boy...you come up with some real zingers on this board at times. Porzingis wouldn't even crack a list of Top 20 PF's currently in the league. When you factor in age, current contract, injury history and production, I wouldn't trade McDaniels or Beasley straight up for Porzingis and its not even close.

[IceManBK1]

Age? KP only 25 yrs old.. And he's avg 20 pt and 8 reb game this yr. The injury history and contract is a bit concerning. But I think we're overvauling our players too much.

[Slim Tubby]

Age? KP only 25 yrs old.. And he's avg 20 pt and 8 reb game this yr. The injury history and contract is a bit concerning. But I think we're overvauling our players too much.

Stats mean very little when you watch the games to see what kind of impact certain players have on the outcomes and I won't even mention Porzingis' contract again. I'm not overvaluing the players you mentioned in the slightest:

1.) Rubio - Great locker room & team leader, defensive asset, improving 3-point shot and $17M Expiring that would be key in any trade for salary ballast

2.) McDaniels - 3&D guy, exceptional defensive abilities, only 19 years of age and 4 years remaining on Rookie deal

3.) Beasley - Very good outside shooter and locked into great contract

Please feel free to post your original proposal on the Trades & Transactions Board. Dallas fans will be rushing to build a statue of you outside their arena.

[jpatrick]

Age? KP only 25 yrs old.. And he's avg 20 pt and 8 reb game this yr. The injury history and contract is a bit concerning. But I think we're overvauling our players too much.

KP is a shell right now. No mobility. Is essentially a 7’3” jump shooter that doesn’t do anything else offensively, no longer can defend the rim (look at advanced stats), and can’t stay in front of people on the perimeter. On that contract, he’s a negative asset. Now, could that change if he regains some mobility the farther he gets from his chronic injuries? Sure but there is no guarantee of that.

So a Bleacher Report fake trade of Siakim for DLo, McDaniels, and Culver. I don’t think either side does it. I just don’t see us moving on from Dlo. However, if we won the lottery, that would be interesting. Plug Cade in at SF as your main ball handler. You could start Beasley as your second guard because you just need a shooter there since Edwards/Cade will be handling mostly (could even start Bolmaro if you wanted defense at that spot). Two bigs Towns/Siakim. Not going to happen but...

[Mattya]

I’d trade Beasley, Culver, Juancho and Layman for Porzingis on a buy low situation, but not giving up any real assets besides Beasley who has his own issues bringing down his value.

[karch34]

Cant have $100 million + tied up in KAT, DLo, and KP unless you're sure that gets you to conf finals. He upgrades PF but then we lose 2 of our 5 core pieces in Beas and McD and now need 4 more with very few options.

I think it's kind of like the NFL in that for salary purposes you ideally have a QB on rookie contract with a lot of elite talent around them or elite QB that raises up the rest of the roster that's a mix of $ but has the cost controlled pieces at enough key spots.

[packforfreedom]

absolutly no to KP. A guy this big with such a history of injuries is the biggest red flag you can have.

[Norseman79]

If you go through the league, there are a few PFs I would trade for, but all have their warts....(I am not including Giannis or Davis).

The Atlantic Division
1. Ben Simmons - as unlikely as it is, if we get the number 3 pick, Beasley, Rubio's expiring, and fill we may get there... especially if 76ers get knocked out by Hawks.

2. Nic Claxton - Brooklyn likes the kid, but all have prices.

Central Division

1. Myles Turner - high cost, but potential nice pairing with Kat as both can play 4/5

Southeast

1. Bam A. - guessing he is all but untouchable, but again, we get a top pick, who knows.

2. Collins - we were apparently sniffing before. I don't love the fit, but man could we score.

3. Isaac - at some point the Magic will get tired of waiting, maybe it's now.

Northwest

None

Pacific

1. Marvin Bagley Jr - I would kick the tires, if it's just Culver and fill why not.

Southwest

1. Jackson Jr. - who knows what price would be...not even sure I would want him unless it's low.

2. Christian Wood - I can see Houston moving him for right package. Say a top 3 draft pick and fill.

These obviously aren't the only PFs in the league, but they are really the only ones that I would want to go after.

[minimus]

These obviously aren't the only PFs in the league, but they are really the only ones that I would want to go after.

What about other PFs: Siakam? OG Anunoby? Jeremy Grant? Brandon Clarke? Bjelica?

And Cs: Portis? Daniel Gafford? Richaun Holmes? Theis?

[Norseman79]

These obviously aren't the only PFs in the league, but they are really the only ones that I would want to go after.

What about other PFs: Siakam? OG Anunoby? Jeremy Grant? Brandon Clarke? Bjelica?

And Cs: Portis? Daniel Gafford? Richaun Holmes? Theis?

I only mentioned guys who I consider 4's that I want.

Personally, I don't like Siakam, and I honestly just spaced him.

OG, Grant, and Clarke I see as 3's not 4's.....I want to be a big team, not an undersized one. Just don't see Bjellica doing much.

I didn't list C's because I just think they are cemented in Kat being a 5. (Turner at the 4 and Kat would be interchangeable in some ways). If you think all of those guys can play the 4 and guard multiple positions I am down for them...but really, are they much better than a continued to be developed Vanderbilt? Vando was putting up some elite level per by the end of the year

[minimus]

These obviously aren't the only PFs in the league, but they are really the only ones that I would want to go after.

What about other PFs: Siakam? OG Anunoby? Jeremy Grant? Brandon Clarke? Bjelica?

And Cs: Portis? Daniel Gafford? Richaun Holmes? Theis?

I only mentioned guys who I consider 4's that I want.

Personally, I don't like Siakam, and I honestly just spaced him.

OG, Grant, and Clarke I see as 3's not 4's.....I want to be a big team, not an undersized one. Just don't see Bjellica doing much.

I didn't list C's because I just think they are cemented in Kat being a 5. (Turner at the 4 and Kat would be interchangeable in some ways). If you think all of those guys can play the 4 and guard multiple positions I am down for them...but really, are they much better than a continued to be developed Vanderbilt? Vando was putting up some elite level per by the end of the year

Yeah, I agree that adding size, e.g. someone like Wood, Isaac, Bam would help us tremendously. But we have to pay extra for that type of length. We dont have resources to make such trade. Meanwhile PHO plays Jae Crawder, UTA plays Bogdanovic, PHI plays Harris, ATL plays Collins at PF. I do agree that those type of PFs arу playable next to physical Cs, which KAT is not. My solution is to go big at SF with McDaniels, play Reid more at PF, and add/develop low profile, tough, physical player PF. I believe that there is no simple solution to our PF problem. But next year we should be able to workaround it by finding veterans at C/PF/SF to complement KAT/Reid/Vando/McDaniels. Let say trade Juancho, Culver, Rubio and get Torrey Craig, Daniel Garford and Aminu. We get following rotation:

KAT/Garford/Reid
Vando/Reid/Tucker
McDaniels/Edwards/Craig
Edwards/Beasley/Okogie
DLo/Nowell/Bolmaro