Around the NBA (Part Two)

[TimberKat]

Am I reading it right, that DAL traded Luka despite going into WCF last year. Does it mean that additional profit from playoffs game is not nearly enough to compensate luxury tax? I remember GSW were able to cover some costs of expensive roster by going deep in playoffs, but that was before new CBA

You also have to figure in the contract they would've had to sign Luka to, vs the ones that the Lakers can offer.

I believe Luka was eligible for 5/345 with Dallas, but only 5/229 with LA. That's a massive difference — a 23M/year difference.

I know this disparity was designed to help a team keep their own player, but something is wrong with the system. I don't know how to fix it though.

Yes, don't count the supermax portion for cap and tax. But Luka for Davis + Flagg is not a bad trade

[KGdaBom]

You also have to figure in the contract they would've had to sign Luka to, vs the ones that the Lakers can offer.

I believe Luka was eligible for 5/345 with Dallas, but only 5/229 with LA. That's a massive difference — a 23M/year difference.

I know this disparity was designed to help a team keep their own player, but something is wrong with the system. I don't know how to fix it though.

Yes, don't count the supermax portion for cap and tax. But Luka for Davis + Flagg is not a bad trade

I enjoy a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy , but it didn't happen. No way.

[winforlose]

You also have to figure in the contract they would've had to sign Luka to, vs the ones that the Lakers can offer.

I believe Luka was eligible for 5/345 with Dallas, but only 5/229 with LA. That's a massive difference — a 23M/year difference.

I know this disparity was designed to help a team keep their own player, but something is wrong with the system. I don't know how to fix it though.

Yes, don't count the supermax portion for cap and tax. But Luka for Davis + Flagg is not a bad trade

Yeah, the NBA can be a great trading partner. The Pels got Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, 3 firsts, a swap, and Zion. When it comes to the Lakers, send a star gain a 1st overall.

[KGdaBom]

I know this disparity was designed to help a team keep their own player, but something is wrong with the system. I don't know how to fix it though.

Yes, don't count the supermax portion for cap and tax. But Luka for Davis + Flagg is not a bad trade

Yeah, the NBA can be a great trading partner. The Pels got Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, 3 firsts, a swap, and Zion. When it comes to the Lakers, send a star gain a 1st overall.

I enjoy a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy , but it didn't happen. No way.

[winforlose]

Yes, don't count the supermax portion for cap and tax. But Luka for Davis + Flagg is not a bad trade

Yeah, the NBA can be a great trading partner. The Pels got Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, 3 firsts, a swap, and Zion. When it comes to the Lakers, send a star gain a 1st overall.

I enjoy a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy , but it didn't happen. No way.

The last two stars traded to the Lakers (Davis and Doncic,) both ended with a lottery win and significant advancement for the teams who did it, but yeah don’t mind the facts. I mean it would be impossible to rig a closed door, unfilmed, lottery. No one could ever rig a lottery

[Worm Guts]

Yeah, the NBA can be a great trading partner. The Pels got Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, 3 firsts, a swap, and Zion. When it comes to the Lakers, send a star gain a 1st overall.

I enjoy a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy , but it didn't happen. No way.

The last two stars traded to the Lakers (Davis and Doncic,) both ended with a lottery win and significant advancement for the teams who did it, but yeah don’t mind the facts. I mean it would be impossible to rig a closed door, unfilmed, lottery. No one could ever rig a lottery

You can watch the video of it on YouTube if you like. It was filmed.

[KGdaBom]

Yeah, the NBA can be a great trading partner. The Pels got Ingram, Lonzo Ball, Josh Hart, 3 firsts, a swap, and Zion. When it comes to the Lakers, send a star gain a 1st overall.

I enjoy a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy , but it didn't happen. No way.

The last two stars traded to the Lakers (Davis and Doncic,) both ended with a lottery win and significant advancement for the teams who did it, but yeah don’t mind the facts. I mean it would be impossible to rig a closed door, unfilmed, lottery. No one could ever rig a lottery

That's why it makes for a great conspiracy theory and I love it. I just don't believe it. Somebody would come clean if it were ever rigged.

[KGdaBom]

I enjoy a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy , but it didn't happen. No way.

The last two stars traded to the Lakers (Davis and Doncic,) both ended with a lottery win and significant advancement for the teams who did it, but yeah don’t mind the facts. I mean it would be impossible to rig a closed door, unfilmed, lottery. No one could ever rig a lottery

You can watch the video of it on YouTube if you like. It was filmed.

But the conspiracy theorists will say the video was fake. Of course that brings so many more people into the conspiracy. There's a lot of reason to believe the first lunar landing was fake, but too many people involved. Just like the lottery rigging theories it was just some strange quirks and coincidences.

[winforlose]

The last two stars traded to the Lakers (Davis and Doncic,) both ended with a lottery win and significant advancement for the teams who did it, but yeah don’t mind the facts. I mean it would be impossible to rig a closed door, unfilmed, lottery. No one could ever rig a lottery

You can watch the video of it on YouTube if you like. It was filmed.

But the conspiracy theorists will say the video was fake. Of course that brings so many more people into the conspiracy. There's a lot of reason to believe the first lunar landing was fake, but too many people involved.

Weigh the odds of the lottery going the way it did both times in that exact year. Bow weight the odds that someone got a group of people together who kept a secret to avoid being financially ruined, incarcerated, and publicly shamed. Given the two options I think you can do the math.

[KGdaBom]

You can watch the video of it on YouTube if you like. It was filmed.

But the conspiracy theorists will say the video was fake. Of course that brings so many more people into the conspiracy. There's a lot of reason to believe the first lunar landing was fake, but too many people involved.

Weigh the odds of the lottery going the way it did both times in that exact year. Bow weight the odds that someone got a group of people together who kept a secret to avoid being financially ruined, incarcerated, and publicly shamed. Given the two options I think you can do the math.

What's in it for them. How many people involved. Not one person recruited has integrity? Who approaches who about rigging it and risking their careers and incarceration. The risk isn't anywhere close to being worth the reward.

[younggunsmn]

You can watch the video of it on YouTube if you like. It was filmed.

But the conspiracy theorists will say the video was fake. Of course that brings so many more people into the conspiracy. There's a lot of reason to believe the first lunar landing was fake, but too many people involved.

Weigh the odds of the lottery going the way it did both times in that exact year. Bow weight the odds that someone got a group of people together who kept a secret to avoid being financially ruined, incarcerated, and publicly shamed. Given the two options I think you can do the math.

The only difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is time.

Luka to LA has been in the works since they quietly forced Cuban to sell control of the Mavericks after he went full Kevin Spacey in the office.
Dallas is a market that matters. They weren't going to let them become irrelevant for long.

You had New Orleans?Memphis twice being a feeder teams for the Lakers, first with Pau Gasol and then with Anthony Davis.

There's the famous Patrick Ewing frozen envelope that got him to the Knicks.

It's all WWE. It's not hard at all to build a rigged lottery ball machine.

It will be our turn someday with Ant too. Enjoy it while it lasts.
We're a feeder market.

[cmoss84]

Wait. I really don't believe we landed on the moon. And what happened to Ewings frozen envelope? So much information...my head is spinning!
Can't wait for Tuesday!

[KGdaBom]

But the conspiracy theorists will say the video was fake. Of course that brings so many more people into the conspiracy. There's a lot of reason to believe the first lunar landing was fake, but too many people involved.

Weigh the odds of the lottery going the way it did both times in that exact year. Bow weight the odds that someone got a group of people together who kept a secret to avoid being financially ruined, incarcerated, and publicly shamed. Given the two options I think you can do the math.

The only difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is time.

Luka to LA has been in the works since they quietly forced Cuban to sell control of the Mavericks after he went full Kevin Spacey in the office.
Dallas is a market that matters. They weren't going to let them become irrelevant for long.

You had New Orleans?Memphis twice being a feeder teams for the Lakers, first with Pau Gasol and then with Anthony Davis.

There's the famous Patrick Ewing frozen envelope that got him to the Knicks.

It's all WWE. It's not hard at all to build a rigged lottery ball machine.

It will be our turn someday with Ant too. Enjoy it while it lasts.
We're a feeder market.

Who makes the decision to rig the lottery? Silver. Is the reward of helping the Lakers so valuable that he's going to risk everything on it? Who and how many does he have to bring in to rig the lottery. These people agree to it. Who manufactures a rigged lottery machine? How many are involved with that. First he has to make a deal with Dallas. Is it the owner or the GM that he brings in on it? Does that individual make the agreement all on his own without involving the coach/GM/owner? Isn't an accounting firm or something like that needed to verify the lottery results? How many are involved with that. How many people were involved with the filming? Are they all duped? It's not going to happen.

[Worm Guts]

If you’re implying the lottery was rigged to reward the Mavericks for trading Luka, that would have to involve at least 4 entities with the Mavericks, Lakers, the commissioner’s office and Ernst & Young (the auditors). And if you’re suggesting it’s happened multiple times, then you have to wonder if the entire league is in on it. Are owners OK with their teams getting screwed (not having a real chance of winning the lottery) for “the good of the league”?

[jscott]

Yikes people. These theories are out there.

Please, go outside.

[winforlose]

If you’re implying the lottery was rigged to reward the Mavericks for trading Luka, that would have to involve at least 4 entities with the Mavericks, Lakers, the commissioner’s office and Ernst & Young (the auditors). And if you’re suggesting it’s happened multiple times, then you have to wonder if the entire league is in on it. Are owners OK with their teams getting screwed (not having a real chance of winning the lottery) for “the good of the league”?

Admittedly this sounds implausible. That said, what are the odds of both teams winning the lottery in the same year they traded a star to the Lakers. What are the odds of San Antonio winning the lottery in 3 consecutive years to move up to 1 for Wemby, then 4 for Castle, and now 2. If you want to make money with Wemby, building a contender with a legendary coach/GM in Pop and a legendary franchise like the Spurs makes a ton of sense. Put odds on both and then consider which is more implausible.

[KGdaBom]

If you’re implying the lottery was rigged to reward the Mavericks for trading Luka, that would have to involve at least 4 entities with the Mavericks, Lakers, the commissioner’s office and Ernst & Young (the auditors). And if you’re suggesting it’s happened multiple times, then you have to wonder if the entire league is in on it. Are owners OK with their teams getting screwed (not having a real chance of winning the lottery) for “the good of the league”?

Thank you. And all those people not one has broken ranks. I'm sure the lower levels would be given immunity to help them catch the big fish.

[KGdaBom]

If you’re implying the lottery was rigged to reward the Mavericks for trading Luka, that would have to involve at least 4 entities with the Mavericks, Lakers, the commissioner’s office and Ernst & Young (the auditors). And if you’re suggesting it’s happened multiple times, then you have to wonder if the entire league is in on it. Are owners OK with their teams getting screwed (not having a real chance of winning the lottery) for “the good of the league”?

Admittedly this sounds implausible. That said, what are the odds of both teams winning the lottery in the same year they traded a star to the Lakers. What are the odds of San Antonio winning the lottery in 3 consecutive years to move up to 1 for Wemby, then 4 for Castle, and now 2. If you want to make money with Wemby, building a contender with a legendary coach/GM in Pop and a legendary franchise like the Spurs makes a ton of sense. Put odds on both and then consider which is more implausible.

The lottery being rigged is far more improbable. Leaps and bounds more improbable.

[winforlose]

If you’re implying the lottery was rigged to reward the Mavericks for trading Luka, that would have to involve at least 4 entities with the Mavericks, Lakers, the commissioner’s office and Ernst & Young (the auditors). And if you’re suggesting it’s happened multiple times, then you have to wonder if the entire league is in on it. Are owners OK with their teams getting screwed (not having a real chance of winning the lottery) for “the good of the league”?

Admittedly this sounds implausible. That said, what are the odds of both teams winning the lottery in the same year they traded a star to the Lakers. What are the odds of San Antonio winning the lottery in 3 consecutive years to move up to 1 for Wemby, then 4 for Castle, and now 2. If you want to make money with Wemby, building a contender with a legendary coach/GM in Pop and a legendary franchise like the Spurs makes a ton of sense. Put odds on both and then consider which is more implausible.

The lottery being rigged is far more improbable. Leaps and bounds more improbable.

Yeah, because groups of people never get together to blackball a player (Kaepernick,) or manipulate the market (GameStop meme stock,) or manipulate sub prime mortgages (financial collapse,) or run complex Ponzi schemes (Madoff.) With enough profit and the correct methodology it wouldn’t be that hard. It is only Billions of dollars of revenue at stake and potentially tens of millions to a handful of people to generate those billions. People would never commit a crime for millions of dollars, NEVER! Especially on something like rigging a lottery (has literally never happened in any form in all of human history, not once EVER!!!!)

[KGdaBom]

Admittedly this sounds implausible. That said, what are the odds of both teams winning the lottery in the same year they traded a star to the Lakers. What are the odds of San Antonio winning the lottery in 3 consecutive years to move up to 1 for Wemby, then 4 for Castle, and now 2. If you want to make money with Wemby, building a contender with a legendary coach/GM in Pop and a legendary franchise like the Spurs makes a ton of sense. Put odds on both and then consider which is more implausible.

The lottery being rigged is far more improbable. Leaps and bounds more improbable.

Yeah, because groups of people never get together to blackball a player (Kaepernick,) or manipulate the market (GameStop meme stock,) or manipulate sub prime mortgages (financial collapse,) or run complex Ponzi schemes (Madoff.) With enough profit and the correct methodology it wouldn’t be that hard. It is only Billions of dollars of revenue at stake and potentially tens of millions to a handful of people to generate those billions. People would never commit a crime for millions of dollars, NEVER! Especially on something like rigging a lottery (has literally never happened in any form in all of human history, not once EVER!!!!)