Trade Ideas thread

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #1761 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:24 pm

CavemanDoctor wrote:Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

I'd drive gorgui to the airport for free

Streakers33 · Post #1762 » by **Streakers33** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:56 pm

D1SGRUNTL3D wrote:
CavemanDoctor wrote:Boston fan coming in peace.

Would you all do

Minny gets: A. Bradley, J. Crowder, D. Jackson, 2019 second round pick (via Detroit)

Boston gets: G. Dieng, 2018 first round pick (via OKC lotto-protected)

You get guys perfect for Thibs's system in Avery and Jae. You lose Dieng who (I may be presumptuous here) isn't as necessary now with Taj Gibson.

What's the fanbase's sense of Dieng's value?

I'd drive gorgui to the airport for free

Boston fans want a later pick. Like 2021 1st rounder from us as they don't want anything in 2018.. I would still pull this trigger.. keep the 2nd rounder and add Mickey.

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nba_addict · Post #1763 » by **nba_addict** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 2:56 pm

Do you guys think this is a great 3 way?

Minny: Aldrich, OKC 1st for Bradley
Bulls: Lopez for Aldrich, Mickey and Jackson OKC 1st.
Boston: Bradley, Jackson and Mickey for Lopez

Minny gets a low usage shooter that can score some and great defender that can play some point guard and give trouble to CP3, Curry, Westbrook, Parker. Some concerns on extension moving forward but that maybe agreed now.

Bulls Save money and give playing time to younger players. Pick too.

Boston get their Center or back up Center.

Takingbaconback · Post #1764 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:03 pm

Boston is not trading Bradley, that's crazy. They just need to trade one more contract after cutting all their unguaranteed players, don't they? So they just need to trade Rozier, Smart, or Crowder.

nba_addict · Post #1765 » by **nba_addict** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:07 pm

Boston cannot afford to extend IT, Smart and Bradley next year. Might as well trade Bradley now. Crowder is lockedin a nice low conteact for a while.

Takingbaconback · Post #1766 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:08 pm

What do you mean "might as well trade Bradley now"? They want to win a championship now, absolutely no reason to trade him unless they are getting a ridiculous offer with lottery pick and up and coming starter guy.

nba_addict · Post #1767 » by **nba_addict** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:14 pm

Bradley could be good as gone after next season. IT will cost a ton to extend. Smart will be cheaper than Bradley. They also need to free up playing time for rapidly improving Jaylen Brown who can start at 2 guard. Crowder and Hayward can start at both forward position.

Howard Cosell · Post #1768 » by **Howard Cosell** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:15 pm

I think people are forgetting Boston needs to do more than unload a bit of salary for Hayward...they also need to get another BIG.

To get another BIG who has value they will need to trade some valued assets..which includes some sort of combination of Crowder, Smart & Bradley.

Takingbaconback · Post #1769 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:16 pm

Keep Bradley and worry about it next year? If he's as good as gone, why are we acquiring him? Shouldn't the same logic apply to us?

Also hoopshype talked about Marc Gasol possibly being available for Boston. That's much more interesting for them to throw alot of prospects, picks, and Bradley for him.

Takingbaconback · Post #1770 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:17 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:I think people are forgetting Boston needs to do more than unload a bit of salary for Hayward...they also need to get another BIG.

To get another BIG who has value they will need to trade some valued assets..which includes some sort of combination of Crowder, Smart & Bradley.

They aren't giving up Bradley for Dieng. Bradley is one of the most important pieces if they want to win a championship, they gotta get a much better player back

Post #1771 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:21 pm

Bradley is good player and all, I'm not sure why he would stand out above Crowder.

nba_addict · Post #1772 » by **nba_addict** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:25 pm

I think the best case scenario for Minny is not to trade Dieng. Gibson can teach him how to fully maximize his team defense potention. Deing and Bjelica are good round out of 4/5 rotation and back up for Gibson. Gibson needs some rest also during regular season to keep him fresh for play off.

minimus · Post #1773 » by **minimus** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 3:51 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:
Howard Cosell wrote:I think people are forgetting Boston needs to do more than unload a bit of salary for Hayward...they also need to get another BIG.

To get another BIG who has value they will need to trade some valued assets..which includes some sort of combination of Crowder, Smart & Bradley.

They aren't giving up Bradley for Dieng. Bradley is one of the most important pieces if they want to win a championship, they gotta get a much better player back

Bradley will leave BOS for nothing next year. They wont get anything for him.

shrink · Post #1774 » by **shrink** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:15 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Bradley is good player and all, I'm not sure why he would stand out above Crowder.

Exactly. Bradley is an expiring that they won't bring back.

Jae Crowder is a better player, and is on that sexy contract for three more years.

Jae Crowder
$6,796,117
$7,305,825
$7,815,533

Yes, I said sexy.

Takingbaconback · Post #1775 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:21 pm

Disagree wholeheartedly with crowder being a better player than avery. Avery can hit open shots, can do a little with the dribble, and can guard premier ball handling guards. Crowder isn't a good shooter and is too slow to guard westbrook, curry, harden, Irving etc. crowder is not a starter in my eyes, pretty much demarre Carroll with a better shot

Maefteda · Post #1776 » by **Maefteda** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:40 pm

I really like Crowder, I have ever since his draft when I was hoping he'd fall all the way down to #52 for us, but he is really overrated on this Wolves board. Ask Celtics fans how they feel about him. His defence has dipped lately and he sometimes gets way too confident offensively, trying to shoot with a man in his face, which he struggles with.

That said, I'd love to have him and he kinda makes more sense than Bradley. If we are retooling in 2019, trading away Crowder's $7,8 will be easy if we are looking to bring a big free agent signing. I can't see Boston giving him away for nothing though, even with his discontent around the Celtics fans chanting for Hayward this past season.

Post #1777 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 4:58 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:Disagree wholeheartedly with crowder being a better player than avery. Avery can hit open shots, can do a little with the dribble, and can guard premier ball handling guards. Crowder isn't a good shooter and is too slow to guard westbrook, curry, harden, Irving etc. crowder is not a starter in my eyes, pretty much demarre Carroll with a better shot

Actually Crowder was a better shooter than Bradley last year, by both percentage and volume. As much as Bradley has a great defensive reputation, RPM loves Crowder a lot more.

Oriole8159 · Post #1778 » by **Oriole8159** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 5:09 pm

Here's why I think Crowder is the guy instead going out...
*You can get more back in a trade for a guy that has multiple years on a great con tract vs. a guy on a one year deal.
*The presence of Brown, Tatum and Hayward creates a wing glut that they don't have as pronounced at the guard position. Now Crowder can play small ball 4, but so can Tatum.
*Bos also drafted Semi Ojeleye in Rd 2, who is almost a Crowder clone. They also have Abdel Nader from 2016 draft, who looked very good in the D League last year.

Takingbaconback · Post #1779 » by **Takingbaconback** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 5:18 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
Takingbaconback wrote:Disagree wholeheartedly with crowder being a better player than avery. Avery can hit open shots, can do a little with the dribble, and can guard premier ball handling guards. Crowder isn't a good shooter and is too slow to guard westbrook, curry, harden, Irving etc. crowder is not a starter in my eyes, pretty much demarre Carroll with a better shot

Actually Crowder was a better shooter than Bradley last year, by both percentage and volume. As much as Bradley has a great defensive reputation, RPM loves Crowder a lot more.

If you look at career averages, it shows Bradley is a better shooter and crowders last year was a large outlier. (Doesn't mean he hasn't improved, just saying it's one year)

Rpm might love crowder more but I'm sure coach Stevens is puttin Avery Bradley on the best offensive guard not crowder

KGdaBom · Post #1780 » by **KGdaBom** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 5:23 pm

nba_addict wrote:I think the best case scenario for Minny is not to trade Dieng. Gibson can teach him how to fully maximize his team defense potention. Deing and Bjelica are good round out of 4/5 rotation and back up for Gibson. Gibson needs some rest also during regular season to keep him fresh for play off.

I like Dieng because he does almost everything well. Dieng should be the starter not Gibson.